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Post# 28000-3/24/2003-09:12 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Pump noises)
MESSAGE: It's just the rush of air and water thru the pump.

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Post# 28001-3/24/2003-13:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WP vs. KM operating noise)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't say ALL Kenmores are quieter than Whirlpools.  My grandmother's 1970-ish Kenmore 70 was VERY noisy.  Had a horrible vibrating roar. I never could figure out why that machine was so loud, and always wondered what effect a quiet-pak treatment would have had.

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Post# 28002-3/24/2003-15:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: Greetings, Geoff.

The Imperial Seventy belongs to the BF, so I don't have any direct experience using it, other than peeping in a couple times.  :-)  I vaguely recall that the highest water level comes to just a bit below the lower edge of the cap, such that the upper fins splash just a touch.  I'll try getting a pic of it sometime, if I can.

My parents also had a 1976 Supreme 80 (with a regular Surgilator, NOT Double-Duty, didn't have the fins at the top), and the high water level came right to the bottom of the agitator cap, basically completely covering the agitator, but NOT 1/4 of the way up the cap as you say yours does.  A full fill on that machine was 26 or 27 gallons.  It originally had four water levels, but I changed the pressure switch to a variable.  Even without the Double-Duty, I thought it had impressive turnover, and I stuffed some BIG loads in that machine, sometimes almost too big for the matching dryer to handle.

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Post# 28003-3/24/2003-17:23 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Was the gnelson one of our members? Who got em?

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Post# 28004-3/24/2003-17:40 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: ....the little stinker outbid me on the last 5 seconds of the auction! I do hope he's in the club and that they are not lost forever! Mark

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Post# 28005-3/24/2003-17:44 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: I don't think so. I do not know the name.


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Post# 28006-3/24/2003-17:47 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear that Mark. They seemed to be in nice shape.

The 75' Kenmore that I got from you is running nicely. Just wanted to let you know.

Thanks,

Bruce



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Post# 28007-3/24/2003-18:12 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Bidding Challenge:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Mark, I'm sorry to see that someone Outbid you. I'm guessing that the person isn't in the Club, because I would think and hope that someone in the Club certainly wouldn't Outbid someone else in the Club, at least not intentionally. "What a Bummer" Mark, they were great looking and I know I was so glad to see that someone in the Club had Bid on them.

Best Regards, Steve

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Post# 28008-3/24/2003-18:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (top rack spray arms in top loading dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Of course, I forgot, I'd seen that system on Whirlpool dishwashers

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Post# 28009-3/24/2003-18:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 )
MESSAGE: Actually, I've never experienced WD-40 getting "gummy" with age. I know OIL will (plus it attracts dust), so I don't use that. My Grandmother's 1963 Frigidaire spray tube dishwasher hadn't been used in years, so both the the timer and the little motor that opens the drain were stuck. After dousing them in WD-40, they immediately started working again and have continued to work for some years now. I also had a Gaffers & Sattler range where the clock had been stuck for years, sprayed it, and it began running and also ran for years.

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Post# 28010-3/24/2003-18:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (stubborn parents)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean, I could hardly ever get my Grandmother to use the dishwasher, it was like it was for "special occasions". I alway made a point of using it whenever I visited and I told her to at least run it occasionally to keep it "limbered up". One time I was visiting and caught her taking dishes OUT of the machine and washing them by hand. She did comment once about how nice the glasses looked that had gone through the machine.

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Post# 28011-3/24/2003-18:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Load Dishwashers (No WD 40 , other info:)
MESSAGE: In my experience with timers, it seems like they don't put any lubrication in them. All the ones I've seen are devoid of grease, except for maybe the bearings on the clock motor and gear shafts (which are probably oil-impregnated bronze)Again, it would seem that any kind of grease would eventually, harden, gum up, or attract dust.

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Post# 28012-3/24/2003-19:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (tub holes)
MESSAGE: some two-part hardening epoxy should do the trick.

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Post# 28013-3/24/2003-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE with Mini Basket (Asko repairs)
MESSAGE: If you check in Consumer Reports, they don't give Asko a very high repair record.


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Post# 28014-3/24/2003-19:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dishwashers, GE impeller wash Age anyone? (GE impeller dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I had a GE top loading impeller model for a while, and I think it had the Power Shower, even though it was an impeller machine. I remember the lid popped up during the dry cycle. Boy was it NOISY!

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Post# 28015-3/24/2003-19:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Lost Forever)
MESSAGE: Wow man, that's a lot of dough!!

Ken D.

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Post# 28016-3/24/2003-19:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen,
I think this is a real fantastic WP model - it it possible to put these great pics in the appliance museum with the other WP pics?
Peter

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Post# 28017-3/24/2003-20:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Too bad - hope they won't be lost forever...

Someone should email the buyer and tell him about the group - they might be an appliance lover...

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Post# 28018-3/24/2003-21:04 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Mamies Maytags)
MESSAGE: I would think that anyone who paid that much money for that set would take care of it.(plus shipping$$$)But on the other hand one never know's... I just purchased the 1950's Whirlpool from E bay,and the shipping is going to cost about 4 times the price I paid for the washer. Still,most hobbies are more expensive than this one!

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Post# 28019-3/24/2003-21:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: I had my Dad down for a visit last week. When I drove him home on Sunday we went through Elwood, an inner suburb of Melbourne. Their Hard Garbage collection was on! I drove straight through, we didn't have time to spare.
I stayed at their place Sunday night and set off for home Monday. As I had a lot of places to stop at on the way home, none near Elwood, I wasn't going to check out the hard garbage but of course I couldn't help myself. Lucky I did - I scored a slope front Hoover Keymatic washer! The machine was on the nature strip (grass verge) upside down, the motor had already been swiped by some philistine. (Keymatic motors have an inbuilt reduction gear which makes then sought after for use in barbeque spits.) So it is missing a motor and the belts, drain hose and wires were cut through too. I have spare belts and hose (I got their last tub-to-pump hose from Hoover about ten years ago) and several other spares but I don't think I have a motor. A passer-by helped me lift it into the back of my station wagon, Keymatics are extremely heavy. They have a cast iron weight and the whole machine is built like a tank. The panels are not structural, the machine has a steel frame inside and the panels bolt to it.
The good news is that the cabinet and everything else is in in good condition, though filthy. The door boot is the original blue one, the blue rubber tended to perish so most were replaced decades ago. The blue door boot is intact but faded, I do have a new spare black one.
I will post photos in the near future. The machine is a "Mark IV Keymatic", I have never seen a "Mark IV" (or mark anything) before. It appears identical to the others I owned before, except for the oldest I used to have which was aqua/turquoise and had a "time line" indicator, this recently found one has white cabinet and dial indicator, like the other couple I used to have in Richmond.
Guess the house building will have to wait while I photograph and clean up this one.
Chris.


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Post# 28020-3/24/2003-22:10 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce! Glad to hear you are happy with the Kenmore. I just found a dryer that matches a washer in that vintage so now I have a white set.....but no pink Maytags....:~( Mark

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Post# 28021-3/24/2003-22:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Lost Forever)
MESSAGE: Ken, It's kind of like collecting art. There are only a few of these machines left and they are getting rarer and rarer, so yes..... that is a lot of dough but my goodness, at least I'm not wasting money on cigarettes or hooch! Mark

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Post# 28022-3/24/2003-22:25 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Mamies Maytags
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! I did email the winner of this most beautiful set and invited him (or her) to take a look at our site and perhaps join. Looking at this person's previous buys and sells, bidding on these was really out of character.....so who knows.Mark


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Post# 28023-3/24/2003-22:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: As requested (By DaDoES?) some weeks ago, here are some pics of my mother's Fisher and Paykel Gentle Annie washer.
It is about a 1990 example, but the model came out in 1986 so I hope it scrapes in as a classic???
The ECS on the "dashboard" stands for Electronic Control System, a forerunner of the Smart Drive. It has a stepper motor like Smart Drive but is still belt driven. The belt is very strong, a poly-V belt like front loaders often use, but about 50mm (2 inches)or more wide. The belt directly drives the agitator shaft, there is no transmission. The agitator shaft runs inside the spin tube, and there is a pulley for each but only the agitator shaft is driven by the belt. The spin and agitator pulleys are about an inch apart and between them each pulley has one protruding finger. The agitator shaft thus can turn almost 360 degrees (about 355?) before the fingers collide and the spin tube (and thus the basket) begins to turn. There is no "brake", slowing down is achieved by shorting all motor windings together when the lid is lifted, causing the motor to become an electric brake. The spin pulley continues about 1 revolution until the backs of the fingers collide, then the agitator pulley slows the spin pulley. From 1000 rpm to stop takes about three seconds when the lid is lifted, but it brakes gently if spin continues to its end and turns itself off normally, takes about 30 seconds. The agitator in action rotates about 300 degrees then instantly reverses and turns 300 degrees backwards, then instantly reverses and so on. Unlike the Smart Drive, there is no fractional pause between reverses, so it really agitates like a conventional transmission type top loader, but with a fast 300 degree stroke. The spin pulley (and thus the basket) are not braked, but are free to float each way with the washing. Occasionally the fingers will collide, which means the basket gets driven for a portion of that stroke. After pumping out it simply turns continuously in one direction, so the basket is driven by the two touching pulley fingers. It spins in three steps, about 300 rpm, then 600 rpm then 1000 rpm. (both intermediate and final spins are 1000 rpm, unless a slower speed is selected.)Apart from a drain hose leak, the machine has never needed any service, and still works like new, apart from some groaning noises from the suspension when agitating. When the agitator reverses, it does so instantly so the drum rocks/twitches in the opposite direction, giving the suspension a bit of a workout.

Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/F%26P+Gentle+Annie&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/F%2526P%2bGentle%2bAnnie%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t

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Post# 28024-3/24/2003-22:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Just for you Arrrooohhh
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
I remember a while ago You mentioned you liked the old Simpson 144's with the big rocker switches for water temp, level and suds save.
I saw one on the scrap heap at Simsmetal, and happened to have my camera... (It might have only been the top panel, I can't remember.)

Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Simpson+144&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst%3f%26.dir=/F%2526P%2bGentle%2bAnnie%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28025-3/24/2003-22:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: My Mom used to do the warm-warm & perm press combo on the Kenmore 800 too. Drove me nuts!!!

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Post# 28026-3/24/2003-22:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Thanks, dude!  Very cool.  Can you email larger versions of the pictures to me (addy in Appville profile)?  Yahoo shrinks them down for the freebie photo albums.

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Post# 28027-3/24/2003-23:11 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Thor Automagic Sink (Vintage Consumer Articles report on the non-sink version of this machine.)
MESSAGE: A couple of recent PODs were for a top loading tumble action washer called Launderall. To say that I was intrigued by its unusual design would be an understatement. I had lots of time on my hands today, because I had some work done on my apartment. While I was waiting, I decided to go through the vintage consumer articles on this site to see if I could find anything about these fascinating machines. I guessed from the model's hairstyle and clothing that these machines were from the late 1940's, so I decided to start with the March 1947 issue of Consumer Research. Bingo! They not only reported on it (it was not the most perfect machine tested), they also had a picture of it. (Like the Bendix had to be bolted to the floor.) But wait, it gets better! They also tested the non-sink version of the Thor washer/dishwasher combo. (They didn't report on its dishwashing capabilites!) It was a semi-automatic spinner type machine. I'm guessing that the user had to manipulate the controls to start and stop the wash/rinse fills and to switch between agitate and spin. I then checked out the October 1947 issue of Consumer Reports. They also tested both the Launderall (again, it was not the most perfect machine tested)and the Thor washer/dishwasher combo. Consumer Reports noted the the Thor got clothes cleaner then the tested automatics and that it was more convenient then other spinner type machines because the user didn't have to handle the clothes between the intial loading and rinsing. They also didn't report on its dishwashing capabilites.(BTW, according to CR the Automagic sink/dishwasher/washer cost $389.50, the non-sink version cost $199.50 for the washer, and an extra $69.95 for the dishwasher attachment. They also reported that the Launderall $299.50.) I've read the vintage articles before, but this was the first time that I was on a quest for a report on a specific model. Talk about fascinating reading! :-)

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Post# 28028-3/25/2003-00:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: Mamies Matag's a reply from the winner!
MESSAGE: I e-mailed the winner of the Maytags and this was his reply! The winners seem to be VERY interesting folks! Hi Mark:

We are virtually neighbors by the way--I grew up in the St. Petersburg area and now live just south of Sarasota in Nokomis.

Sorry about the last minute bid, but I guess my wife and I decided we wanted them pretty bad. By the way, I was going to go $1200, but at the last minute I decided that I would go $1051.55, so you were close. We are not collectors per se, but we bought this 1959 house in Nokomis that is mostly well preserved and original. It has excellent terrazzo, the original turquoise Fridgidaire built in oven and cooktop, and almost perfect original bathroom fixtures and tile in American Standard Ming Green. So we decided we wanted to go with the retro/museum approach to the house. We really need a turquoise Fridgidaire dishwasher, and a 1958 or 1959 Fridgidaire refridgerator in turquoise if they made it. but those refridgerators if you can find them are a fortune, especially restored. So we saw the Maytags and figured that would be good for the laundry room and a nice change from the turquoise in the kitchen.

Of course I was hoping your bid was a lot lower, and I see the next highest was $650, so if not for you I would have paid $660. So I have two questions for you, one is how many washers and dryers can you really collect? and the other is were you going to drive to NY to get these things since I guess that is what I am going to do.

Greg Nelson

ps-once before I bid on 1950's stuff--furniture in Michigan. My wife talked me into bidding way lower than I really wanted to because of the drive. I lost to the Eisenhower Library/Museum and now it is in the newly renovated Americana wing. They got it for a song and I will never really know, but I think I would have won, so I'm still sick about it and I decided not to make that mistake again.



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Post# 28029-3/25/2003-01:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags ((HELP))
MESSAGE: Sorry for being so dense, but could you add the ebay link to this pair so I would know what you guys are talking about?

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Post# 28030-3/25/2003-02:35 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip??? (Green with Envy!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris

What a fab surprise, those finds are always the best when its not expected, especially this one, years the guys here have been looking for years and yourself and Louis are the only ones to come across them....Make sure you take plenty of pics of the inside and underneath, we`ve only seen brochures and a duffed up one on the "The Secret Life of Washers" tape....

Had a find myself last week One of the LAST Hotpoint Timelines ever made 1978...just fitting a new clutch,

Happy Hunting,

Mike

p.s.Just gonna give the Simpson Delta a whirl in honour of the "Keymatic" find...



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Post# 28031-3/25/2003-02:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Congratulations! I'm dying to see some pictures! I guess you are going to attend barbecues in order to find a motor for it..?

Louis

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Post# 28032-3/25/2003-02:40 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: POD...Greens The Colour!!!
MESSAGE: This is a new one, never seen these before, has anyone in the club got them????

First glance I thought the washer looked like our Creda Eye Level grill cookers that where made in the same colours and also poppy, cornflower blue and brown...

Cookers and Kenwood Chefs here have been colourful, classic washers always white...

Mike

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Post# 28033-3/25/2003-04:54 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (WHIRLY!)
MESSAGE: Bob, I guess mom never took the time to read the instruction on the lid for the permanent press cycle and just wanted to to use that cool-down portion of the cycle to do a pre-rinse before the deep rinse cycle.

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Post# 28034-3/25/2003-05:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just for you Arrrooohhh (Thanx)
MESSAGE: Thanx for the thought!

Oneday maybe someone will find a nice one intact that can be restored! I saw one a while ago in one of may favourote corner stores in my area where one can by a litre of milk of a loaf of bread and a bird cage or lounge setting while you are at it :)

Thay had one of these model Simpsons, beautiful clean condition for sale $190 but nowhere to put it, esp as Mum and Dad are starting to get ready to sell...

What made me smile was the shop keeper was trying to tell me that the 90's Riverera Simpson with the black control panel was a much better buy!

What did others think of that glimpse of beauty?

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Post# 28035-3/25/2003-05:05 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: I like the agitator on the GA much more that what is currently offered in the Smart Drive.

WHy cant F & P update there agitator design? Like our stateside friends and the DAA I am sick of seeing this agitator

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Post# 28036-3/25/2003-05:06 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip??? (YAY!)
MESSAGE: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cant wait for pictures!

What a find!

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Post# 28037-3/25/2003-05:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD WOW!
MESSAGE: Does anyone in the club own one of these machines? Those Frigidaires with the built in closet must be rare.

Of course... the color is GrOoVy!

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Post# 28038-3/25/2003-06:18 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: Like Jason said, WOW!
Thanks Steve for that Picture!
Did that model ever come out? I noticed in the ad that they were not out yet, but a model.
That is a wild looking pair. I am sure that short people would not have liked them too much since the controls were so high. I guess it was a good idea for laundry rooms with limited space.
I remember car ads during this period that would show models that really never made it to the dealer showroom. I guess it was a gimmick to get you to come in to the dealer. I am wondering if they did this with appliances also?
Brent

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Post# 28039-3/25/2003-06:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: F&P Gentle Annie
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
I agree with you, the agitator in the GA is a bit special. The first time I ever saw them (new) I liked the look of that agitator. It is very "geometric" with its three triangular fins. It looks "neat". The centre post isn't as wide as the Smart Drive ones, as you don't have to fit your hand down inside to undo the wing nut. In fact I have never been able to figure out how to remove a Gentle Annie agitator, there is no bolt or nut in the centre and it doesn't appear to pull off a spline either. Maybe it is moulded onto the agitator shaft??
Chris.

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Post# 28040-3/25/2003-06:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags ((HELP))
MESSAGE: OK. I got it.....
The subject strayed somewhat away from the original posting that I got lost, but thanks to the washing machine gods,"I FOUND IT!"
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2313280111&category=20714

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Post# 28041-3/25/2003-06:35 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: hee hee!

Woudn't I be popular, running off with the spit motor to put it back into some funny old washing machine.
Chris

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Post# 28042-3/25/2003-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Very cool find - can't wait to see the pics. Am I correct in thinking this was the model that had the "cards" that were changed for different cycles? The slant-front machines are some of the most vintage looking of all the oldies, hopefully you'll find a motor soon and can give it a whirl!

Congrats again - Greg

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Post# 28043-3/25/2003-07:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matag's a reply from the winner!
MESSAGE: Their house sounds very neat - I love terrazzo floors, especially combined with pink and turquoise!

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Post# 28044-3/25/2003-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (" X" Models)
MESSAGE: This was a variable speed washer - infinitely selectable wash and spin speeds. Inside the cabinet on the left side were dispensers for detergent and fabric softener. Peter found one of these mechanisms with the variable speed clutch out on the SD farm although the machine he found was missing the top. The cabinet models did make it to market, but the clutch unit in the variable speed machines (designated with an X in the model number, also available in a standard washer sans cabinet) was frought with trouble and didn't last in production very long. I think these came out in late '68 and were gone by '70 when the 1-18 line was released.

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Post# 28045-3/25/2003-10:01 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
That is very interesting about the dispensers. I would have never thought about the dispensers being in the cabinet.
Also about the clutch. Was there a reason why they designed the X models with a clutch? I would think that it would have worked with a slower second speed on the motor for a delicate cycle. (2 - speed motor) Am I missing out on the reason for a clutch?
Brent

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Post# 28046-3/25/2003-10:50 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: POD 3/25
MESSAGE: Really great machines. Must've been TOL, eh? I hadn't heard about them until recently- probably not many were made. I'll look forward to seeing one of those Frigi's run at some point in the future. Gotta hit the gym. Adios for now...
Duane


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Post# 28047-3/25/2003-11:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG!)
MESSAGE: Brent,

I bet we find one of these here in the area. Atlanta is a TOL town! WXN and WEG (the 1-18 with rapid advance timer like Jimmy found) are out there waiting for us...

Maybe "variable" is the wrong word. "Infinite" might be better...

In order for the user to have infinite agitation and spin speeds, the machine needed a infinite speed clutch measuring the motor RPM's and adapting the mechanism RPM's to the user's setting. I don't think the motor was 2 speed (Greg?)...

All they were missing on this machine was infinite water temp! This machine also had infinite water level with a metered filling system (10 parts of water go into the tub, 1 part of water deflected to a special reservoir with a pressure switch).

-ph

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Post# 28048-3/25/2003-11:41 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (THANKS GREG! I BET YOU FIND ONE!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
I bet that you find one of these before I do! You have your connections! : )
Did you see statistics on model numbers with an "X" being sold more here? That is very interesting. Interesting in the fact of me wondering if these are all now crushed, or were they that good that they are still running in homes.
Also, the way that you described the "infinite" speeds, makes sense to me for the clutch. I guess with the new "Infinite" speed motors in front loaders today, this baby would not have needed a clutch.
Thanks for the info.
Let me know when you find me a "X" model. : )
Brent

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Post# 28049-3/25/2003-12:30 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: Yep....... couldn't have said it better myself. I have been part of this club for about two or three years or so, and all of the time I have seen a lot of vintage Frigidaires. But none like these. These machines got the cabinets right on top of them.

Do you think that is where Sears (or Whirlpool might be a better answer) got the idea from when came out with the bottom mount pedestals for the HT3 pair.

I do have to wonder if these were TOL Frigidaires or not. Maybe "Uni" or "Scott" (since I find them to be the Frigidaire experts here) can enlighten us.

--Charles--

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Post# 28050-3/25/2003-12:33 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (Re: Machines actually did " come out" )
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, Yes, these Machines did come out and I saw them in the Summer of 1968, when my Father and I want on one of our Vacation Travels together up along the California Coast. We would go to Mendocino/Fort Bragg area and there was a Department Store in Fort Bragg that only sold Frigidaire Appliances. The Washer sold there for $348.88 and the Electric Dryer sold for $238.88 plus Tax. "What a Deal" for these days, huh? The Advertisement was in a June 14, 1968 Life Magazine. I also saw my First "1-18" Frigidaire Washer and Dryer Models at that same Department Store when they "came out" too. I contacted Frigidaire with a concern about the Washer Basket in the "1-18", because they originally had a seam strip running vertically, like as if the Basket was molded in the length needed to shape it and then rounded and put together with the seam strip. I let Frigidaire know that I carefully ran my hand across the seam and that it felt like it could snag Laundry and rip items. Within a short time they contacted me back and thanked me for my input and they changed the design of the Basket to a 1-piece molded design.

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Post# 28051-3/25/2003-12:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (pedestal)
MESSAGE: I think WP got the idea for pedestals from all the American complaining about having to bend over to load/unload a FL washer! It would be nice to say they got the idea instead from Westinghouse, which made a FL washer with a pedestal drawer built right in.

Yes, this was the TOL 1968 machine. The next one down from the High Fashion was a regular console machine with the variable controls. Greg did have a scan of the Tech-Talk in one of his albums, but I can't find it...

-ph

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Post# 28052-3/25/2003-13:17 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Pedestal Base with Drawers:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I remember the Westhinghouse Machines your talking about. They called them the "Higher Dryer" and the "Taller Washer." Thanks for the memory, I had forgotten about them and it sounds more logical about that idea being copied for the new Front-Loader Machine units being Manufactured these days.

My best to you always, Steve

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Post# 28053-3/25/2003-13:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (pedestal)
MESSAGE: Peter, Tom Turbo's family (in Atlanta no less) had one of the non-cabinet variable speed machines in their home for a very short time.

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Post# 28054-3/25/2003-13:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (Re: Machines actually did )
MESSAGE: What fun that you played a part in the history of the 1-18! :-)

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Post# 28055-3/25/2003-13:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Motionizer Motor
MESSAGE: Here is an interesting item on Ebay, says its to power Frigidaire window displays...I wonder what sort of window display it was for?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518409503&category=26226

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Post# 28056-3/25/2003-13:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: I actually remember this ad, though I didn't know it was quite this old; I thought it had come out during the 1-18 time. Not a very good picture here, but it shows a '57 control tower unimatic in a horse barn being used for horse blankets, apparently because the housewife purchased a new Frigidaire with a permanent press cycle. (Of course those of us who have been fortunate enough to see a unimatic in operation, know that such a cycle is not really necessary, but...)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3600764500&category=35

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Post# 28057-3/25/2003-15:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Motionizer Motor
MESSAGE: Twirling Christmas trees probably...

-ph

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Post# 28058-3/25/2003-15:19 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Mamies Matags (Mamies Maytags)
MESSAGE: How much did they go for?. I could not find it on Ebay.

As you said, I think that this person may be interested in classics also.

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Post# 28059-3/25/2003-15:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD (3-25-03 POD )
MESSAGE: I loved the designs of these Tall cabinet Frig models
I wish they made the 1/18's like them
Peter

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Post# 28060-3/25/2003-15:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found on the nature strip???
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
Yes, this is the type with "cards".
It is called a "keyplate", hence the name "Keymatic".
The keyplate is bakelite, about 4 inches square and about 1/2 inch thick, with notches cut out of each edge. A series of fingers inside the keyplate slot in the control panel "read" the notches to set the programs. There are no electrical connections in the keyplate, it is all done with raises bumps and notches. The fingers are connnected to switch contacts. As it has four sides and can go in either way up, there are eight programs on a keyplate. Machines were supplied with two plates, a black one for use with cold supply only, and a red one for connection to hot and cold water. A claimed feature was that new programs could be developed by Hoover to suit newly developed fabrics into the future and owners could "upgrade" their machine by purchasing a new keyplate. In fact this only happened once, when a keyplate with a cold wash option came out to coincide with the release of cold water detergents. Before that all washes had a heated phase, as the Keymatic has a 2400 watt heating element. This keyplate also gave a "heavy soil" option - I don't know what it did for that.
The wash phase is very short, eight minutes for all delicate/gentle programs and only four minutes for normal/cotton programs, which simultaneously tumbled and "pulsated" (whirling impeller). The machine alternately tumbled and heated until the programmed temperature was reached, then advanced to the "wash" phase for its four or eight minute wash. As the cold water wash skipped the heating phase, it had a very short wash, not exactly what you'd want with cold water...
Chris.

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Post# 28061-3/25/2003-15:41 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: I have pictures of the Cabinet style and the Regular style "X" models in a Parts book for 68'. The info. in this section reffers to the "X" model being out in 67' but maybe due to production delays or last minute changes to the line they did not come out till 68'.

They would be THE Ultimate Frigidaires if someone in the club found these!.

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Post# 28062-3/25/2003-15:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken, these Frigidaires were TOL at the time, especially with the variable speed clutch, lighted consoles, and dispensers. According to John L. in MD he said they were also expensive and the chances are they did not sell many of them. Who knows, we may never see any of these, only in pictures, how sad.

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Post# 28063-3/25/2003-16:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: "Calypso Bruce":

The "ULTIMATE" Frigidaires?!?!?!?!!

Yep!!!!!!!!!!!! I would say so. If there is a Frigidaire laundry pair that qualifies for the "ULTIMATE" designation, it would definitely be these.

I sure would like me a pair of these babies. A Lady Kenmore doesn't have anything on these beauties. A Lady Kenmore looks like a Plain Jane by comparison.

--Charles--



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Post# 28064-3/25/2003-17:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 3-25-03 POD
MESSAGE: The variable speed model WXL was introduced in '67 but the cabinet model WXP came out in 69 along with two other variable speed washers.

There were also two other standard models, WCDXN and the WXN which had a Lint-Away Rinse lamp on the control panel! All three 1969 models had modified mounting and construction of the clutch unit from the previous WXL (67) model.

I think I said the storage cabinet model WXP had detergent and fab softener dispensers earlier, should have said bleach and softener dispensers.

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Post# 28065-3/25/2003-17:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: There were "Custom Imperial" (historically the TOL designation for Frigidaire appliances from 1958 - 70's) models for 67 ("L" line) and 68-69 ("N" line) but since these featured the variable speed options, they would have been right up there with the TOL models - and cost as much if not more.

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Post# 28066-3/25/2003-17:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (WOW is right!)
MESSAGE: OMG! What handsome machines. I wonder if they were deeper then the traditional washer? You would think that you would need some extra space, towards the rear, to accomodate the cabinet. It was nice to see that they included a pic of a Jetcone in the ad.

Thanks for sharing!

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Post# 28067-3/25/2003-19:03 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Just want to let everyone know I linked some pics of some of my Classics. More to come.

Enjoy,

Bruce
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/calypsobruce/lst?&.dir=/&.src=ph&.view=t&start=1&.rand=325225712182

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Post# 28068-3/25/2003-19:04 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in! (Re: Horse Blanket Frigidaire Washer Ad: )
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friends, I also happen to have that very same Ad and some other Ads, showing some ideas for Basement Laundries, I will share with the "POD's" as well. This has been fun being able to share the old Ads like this to bring out the "Remember When" of Appliances. There is also a Kitchen Ad, showing one of the first "Skini-Mini's" in a corner of the Kitchen.

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28069-3/25/2003-19:05 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: I also am under the Member Links section.

Cheers

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Post# 28070-3/25/2003-19:12 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason, " POD" Price:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Jason and others, read my #28050 Post, I mentioned about the Price at that time near me for both the Cabinet Frigidaire Washer and Dryer's.

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28071-3/25/2003-19:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Those are some great machines Bruce! Thanks for posting the pictures. I really like that Lady in coppertone. That is the last revision of that machine, where they changed the timer from the plastic disk to this type. Do you know, did that machine come with that agitator, or would it have come originally with the Variflex?

That is a very nice wringer too! Have you ever done a wash in it?

Scott

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Post# 28072-3/25/2003-19:25 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

The Lady came with the Penta Swirl. Kenmore had gone to the super capacity tub which would not allow the Vari-Flex, although you could put one in it to play with. The water level would be high on the post though. I am trying to find one to play with. I currently have a Whirpool Double Duty Surgilator in it. It gives more action in my opinion because of the upper vanes and more suds. Fun.

Yes, I have used the wringer many times. I love the Roto-Swirl agitator. It really moves the clothes and creates lots-o-suds. It is a fun machine but there is manual labor with it. It is fun .

Thanks,

Bruce

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Post# 28073-3/25/2003-19:29 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy
MESSAGE: That's the one. Everything the same. Even that pleasant "ghost" sound. That tub and agitator design cleaned anything. No lost buttons, clothes lasted forever. What a nut I was to let that go. Thank you for the memories!

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Post# 28074-3/25/2003-19:33 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: I never had a problem with this agitator. (Oh you are right, some things would hide from time to time) But on a low water setting, those fins at the bottom would provide handwash care on the knits/gentle cycle. Never lost any garments to tearing.
Now my 97 Kenmore with the auger and beater bar at the base, that's a different story.

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Post# 28075-3/25/2003-19:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Bruce, I didn't realize this particular Lady had a larger tub. That would have been another revision they'd made to that model. Do you know if those big button Ladies were ever offered as suds saver models?

Though I haven't used wringers too many times, I think Sears has some of the nicer ones. They have that automatic timer and the open top safety wringer. I think they would be handy if you had a big family or had company and had a lot of linens and towels to do, you can get a lot out in a short period of time. Greg has one in Omaha and if I'm good hopefully he'll let me use it when I visit. ;-)

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Post# 28076-3/25/2003-20:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: This was the ad that I was talking about a while back - I remember this ad and loved the washer pictured! Can't see it too well, so will have to wait until it comes (hopefully) to see what model it really was.

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Post# 28077-3/25/2003-20:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Of course you can use it!! I've got it "displayed" in the spare bedroom now for lack of room anywhere else, so you'll be able to have "Kenmore Dreams" too...

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Post# 28078-3/25/2003-20:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: I love it! ;-)

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Post# 28079-3/25/2003-21:06 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce,
What great pix! I can't believe I had to grow up with GE americanas. What were my parents thinking?!

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Post# 28080-3/25/2003-21:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce! That Kenmore looks GREAT in your basement! .....and those Frigidaires..ooooooooooo and matched sets at that........and oh...the GE lighted control dryer.ooooohhhhh!

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Post# 28081-3/25/2003-21:18 ||| electrophobia (NOLA)
SUBJECT: POD green Frigidaire with storage.
MESSAGE: What a cool pic, Sacto this pic would be a 1-18? very nice. anyone here have one of these jewels?

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Post# 28082-3/25/2003-21:23 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: shipping washing machines
MESSAGE: Can anyone advise me on the best way,and with the least hassle,to have a washing machine packed and shipped from South Carolina to Indiana? I seem to be getting nowhere. What methods are available? Seems like whoever ships won't pack it. I thought it would be simpler..

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Post# 28083-3/25/2003-21:28 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (collection photos)
MESSAGE: Thank you,great photos! The matched set in harvest gold 1-18 reminds me of my old one,Can't believe I was dumb enough to trade it in on my Maytag ):

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Post# 28084-3/25/2003-22:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines
MESSAGE: Does Craters and Freighters serve that area? I know a number of folks here have done well with them in the past, where they come and get the machine all ready and take it for delivery.

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Post# 28085-3/25/2003-22:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing, Bruce. I'm especially envious of all those Fridgidaires and that GE range. (I just love GE ranges with push button controls.) Does it have two ovens? Is them a P-7 self-cleaner? I thought that I spotted an oven locking level.

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Post# 28086-3/25/2003-22:38 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Older Frigidaire Washer:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Bruce, those are great Pix's. I've never seen one of those Models of Frigidaire Washer's before. I'm having some trouble with my Brightness on my Monitor, so the interior view isn't as clear as it should be. Is that one of the first Lower Rubber and Upper Plastic Pulsator's, after the Metal original Pulsator's?

Best always, Steve

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Post# 28087-3/25/2003-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: More to come?? This is a great collection - I'd forgotten about the '60 Frigidaire and the GE range, you've been very busy as well! And the Lady Kenmores coming... Isn't there a GE washer and a Flair range too?

Thanks for the pics Bruce!

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Post# 28088-3/25/2003-23:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: What all the fashionable "Horsewives" washed their blankets in!
MESSAGE: Yup, as long as I could have a cool or cold rinse in a unimatic, I'd have an all-fabric washer. I'm glad I got to see this ad, never had before.

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Post# 28089-3/25/2003-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD WOW! (Jason)
MESSAGE: I actually got to see a real set of these in the Texas State Fair Frigidaire Pavilion in 1969 or 1968. I'll never forget it. I was so impressed with the variable speed, but I remember the speed control was one knohb, didn't have separate knob for spin & wash speeds though (: And Jason, they were this avocado.

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Post# 28090-3/26/2003-00:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce, I particularly love the 75 LK wqith penta-swirl, hadn't seen that design since I was in college at the time. And of course, LOved the Frigidaires, all of them.

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Post# 28091-3/26/2003-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mid 1980s Whirlpool Imperial Seventy (Whirlpool Imperial-70 Washer Agitator:)
MESSAGE: See!!! ANother Shredmore!!!

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Post# 28092-3/26/2003-05:13 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (GREAT FINDS!)
MESSAGE: Gee Bruce you hit a goldmine! I love the 66 GE range, it looks brand new! And the 66 GE dryer just like the set my mom had I rember playing on it,But the greatest has to be the 66 Frigidaire combo (INCREDIBLE FIND)! Congrats Bruce!

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Post# 28093-3/26/2003-05:30 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,

Yes, The Lady's in the 70's did come as suds-saver models but I do not know when they stopped them, I would like to say mid-70's but not sure. John L. in MD has one from 1971 that he uses.

The wringer is fun to use, it is a 2 speed model. I wish it had the chrome drain boards like Greg's. What I do with mine is use it to save the suds from the Lady K and wash 3 loads in about a 1/2 hour. Then I rinse one load in the Kenmore and pump back the rinse water into the Wringer then rinse the rest. I only use the rinse water twice depending on what I am washing. Then I spray rinse in the Lady to finish.

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Post# 28094-3/26/2003-05:31 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Americana's were nice machines also. Yes?

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Post# 28095-3/26/2003-05:32 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Mark.

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Post# 28096-3/26/2003-05:33 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (collection photos)
MESSAGE: I think most of us have made judgement errors in the past also not realizing what we did.

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Post# 28097-3/26/2003-05:39 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Mike,

The GE Range does have two ovens. The one on the left is not a self-cleaner. The right one is with P-7 cleaning. Did you know that this range was ahead of it's time with a control board for the oven temp.? I did not know this until I spoke with my local appliance parts store. I cannot get one anymore. So far no trouble with it. I just love the styling on these.

Cheers

Bruce

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Post# 28098-3/26/2003-05:44 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Older Frigidaire Washer:)
MESSAGE: If you are referring to the 60' Multi-Matic, the agitator is all rubber except of course for the post which is plastic. I have a new top for this machine that Jon Charles gave to me since he had one that he was parting out. The top part of the console had been smashed and the plastic and surround for the lights were missing so the new one will be put on soon.

More pics with lights soon

Bruce

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Post# 28099-3/26/2003-05:47 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg. I have to go to Mom's and put the new top on the 60' and run it through a cycle, just to keep things moving. I also have my 59' GE that has been repainted and cleaned up. I will have pics of that soon also.

Bruce

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Post# 28100-3/26/2003-05:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob.



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Post# 28101-3/26/2003-05:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (GREAT FINDS!)
MESSAGE: Thank you,

The GE Dryer and the Range were purchased by an older woman at the time. The range does look like brand new. The rotisery and griddle were in the bottom drawer wrapped in paper. She also had the matching washer for the dryer because I have the receipts for them and the owners manuals. The dryer looks new also. She probably hung out her wash most of the time. It just needs new rollers, but runs fine. I hope to find the matching washer someday.

Bruce

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Post# 28102-3/26/2003-06:39 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: Bruce, Lots of luck with the new finds. They all look great!!! I love the colors of them too, Happy Washing

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Post# 28103-3/26/2003-06:50 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (Fed Ex Freight)
MESSAGE: Check out this link for Fed Ex Freight.

It is going to be $$$$$$$$$$$$$
LINK: http://www.fedexfreight.fedex.com/rate.jsp

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Post# 28104-3/26/2003-08:18 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: Okay, I know that on this site this question is akin to sacrilege (not unlike being confirmed in the R.C. Church without having ever made a confession...Don't tell the Pope!). Just what is the difference between the 1-18 and the other Frigi's? Didn't all the Frigi washers since the late 50's have that "plunger" agitator like the one on the homepage? Was the 1-18 offered simultaneously with other Frigi washers? Did it have the plunger? I assume that after GM sold off Frigidaire, it meant death to the "plunger". Many here seem to desire 1-18s; what makes them so desireable?

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Post# 28105-3/26/2003-08:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Bruce
These are real great pics
Peter

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Post# 28106-3/26/2003-08:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (CHECK YOU OUT BRUCE!)
MESSAGE: Bruce,
Thanks for the pictures. You have a great basement in that house!
Your appliance collection is great!
What a way to relax!
Brent

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Post# 28107-3/26/2003-08:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: A valid question. The term 1-18 refers to the Frigidaire washers from 1970 until their demise in 1979. By 1970, most washers had "18 pound" capacities. So, Frigidaire introduced their large capacity machines which could wash "from 1 piece to 18 pounds". Also, Frigidaire switched from the solid tub to the perforated tub with this new line.
Frigidaires from before 1970 all had small solid tubs. I am sure there are more detailed technical explanations out there so someone can jump in to fill the holes....

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Post# 28108-3/26/2003-09:11 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: The actual demise of GM Frigidaire was the end of 1980
not 1979
1981 was the start of wci Frigidaire tragety
Peter

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Post# 28109-3/26/2003-09:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (great collection!!!)
MESSAGE: Holy Cow!!! That 1960 WCD is wonderful!!! And I have the console for the GE washer to match that GE dryer, if you want it.

-ph

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Post# 28110-3/26/2003-09:36 ||| George_a (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Sears free standing cone shaped fireplace
MESSAGE: I have a 1970ish avacado green Sears free standing cone shaped fireplace. I need to have specific installation instructions. Does anyone know about this?

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Post# 28111-3/26/2003-09:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: See link below for the Frigidaire washer history...

See Bruce's new pic link to look at the difference between the interior of the 1960 (Multimatic mechanism), the 1968 (Rollermatic mechanism) and the 1978 1-18 Frigidaire washers.

They are so desirable because of 1) the action, 2) great cleaning, and 3) great styling! Also, there are still lots of them around, so they can be relatively easy to find and repair.

-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/vwp?.dir=/History+Of+Frigidaire+Washing+Machines&.src=ph&.dnm=Washer+History+Part+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/wi57controltower/lst%3f%26.dir=/History%2bOf%2bFrigidaire%2bWashing%2bMachines%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28112-3/26/2003-09:42 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Filtrator Info
MESSAGE: Was the filtator dryer an air to air condensor or did it use water?

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Post# 28113-3/26/2003-09:48 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Info (no water here)
MESSAGE: Air to air...

-ph

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Post# 28114-3/26/2003-09:51 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance!
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for posting that link. I had not seen it and it really helps explain the differences in the models.

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Post# 28115-3/26/2003-11:42 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Peter, Angus, & Peter,
Thanks for your replies to my inquiry. The history link is really helpful. If the washers are built like the stoves(we have 2 Frigidaire ranges: a 1954 & a 1969) they were built to last.
Duane

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Post# 28116-3/26/2003-12:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Another thing I love about those ranges of that vintage is the built in meat thermometer! I wish ranges today had such great features. Do you have the probe that goes with yours? We had it on our Flair.

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Post# 28117-3/26/2003-14:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I wanted to also add a little extra info about the difference between the original Solid Tub's and the "1-18" Washers, of the fact that the "1-18" Washers have a Recirculating Lint Filter setting under that back part of the Basket opening and it was recessed to not be in the way of loading and unloading the Laundry.

I had a Mid-80s Set and I wish I would have never gotten rid of them or our 1966 "WCDK" Washer, besides the Hotpoint, Kenmore and 1950 Westinghouse Electric Dryer we owned when I was growing up.

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Post# 28118-3/26/2003-14:49 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: Thanks,

When are you coming to Boston again? I had a great time with you when we bumped into each other.

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Post# 28119-3/26/2003-14:50 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter,

I have many more coming.

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Post# 28120-3/26/2003-14:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Norge history
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any Norge history? Did the Dispensomats follow the TimeLine? How many years were the Dispensomats in production?

-ph

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Post# 28121-3/26/2003-14:54 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (CHECK YOU OUT BRUCE!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,

Thanks for your approval (Your Highness) HEHEHEHE!.

I have more. Stay tuned.

I feel liberated now that I know how to post pics. YAY!

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Post# 28122-3/26/2003-14:57 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (great collection!!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter,

I have more pics coming. I would love to find the washer for this Dryer. I would love the top but would it fit on any GE Washer? If it would than maybe I will take you up on it.

Thanks

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Post# 28123-3/26/2003-14:59 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Wonderful Pics)
MESSAGE: Scott,

I would have to look, but I think the probe is there also.

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Post# 28124-3/26/2003-15:54 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any ideas as to how to keep these darn things from flying out of the bracket. I have tried several different ones, and they are all loose. Velcro holds it, for about 2 loads, until the sticky side of the velcro gets wet and give up. Any ideas would be great, I can't let it spin with it in place or it flies out! Don

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Post# 28125-3/26/2003-15:59 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire "salesman" aggitator on E-bay
MESSAGE: Hi all you 1950' s Frigidaire Fans, I ran into this interesting item on E-bay check it out #3216153156

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Post# 28126-3/26/2003-16:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Growing up with GE Americanas)
MESSAGE: At least you grew up a washer and dryer! Seems like half my childhood was spent in laundromats. The only people in my family who had washers were my great aunt on my Father's side (Kelvinator, later replaced by a Kenmore) and Grandmother on my Mother's side (GE). As for dryers, HA! That's a laugh! And we weren't paticularly poor, everyone could have well afforded a washer and dryer.

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Post# 28127-3/26/2003-16:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (shipping a washer)
MESSAGE: You'd have to call a packing company who would crate the machine up, and then the shipping company would pick it up from the packing company. Two separate operations.

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Post# 28128-3/26/2003-16:47 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Scott....)
MESSAGE: Hey Bruce:

May I answer this one for you???

Well Scott, that indeed was a 1975 Lady Kenmore in coppertone. And starting with this model, as well as the 1974 model, that model came with the Penta-Swirl agitator. The last Lady to have the Vari-Flex agitator was the 1973 model. The 1973 model was also the last one with a three-speed motor. Bruce's 1975 Lady has a two-speed motor. Feel free to ask him.... I think he'll confirm. If not, then I have a picture of this washer in a Sears F/W 1975 Catalog right along with the matching dryer. In that catalog, the avacodo pair was pictured.

--Charles--

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Post# 28129-3/26/2003-16:49 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Scott:

Yep.... there was a 1975 Lady Kenmore washer with a "sud saver" feature as well.

--Charles--

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Post# 28130-3/26/2003-16:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: Where do you get these dates Peter? I have service books from WCI starting with August of 1979 for the 1-18 imposter machines made by WCI.

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Post# 28131-3/26/2003-17:05 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: "Calyspo Bruce"

Way to go. That 1975 Lady definitely looks gorgeous in coppertone. The buttons on the panel convey with the panal cover and the color of the machine. And they offset the chrome siding of the panel very well. One thing the ask though..... and I just want a confirmation from you. Your Lady is a two speed model with the Penta-Swirl agitator, right???

And I really liked those 1966 TOL Frigidaires as well. I am so glad that you decided to take a picture of your 1966 Frigidaire actually doing the "rapidry" spin.

And what about your 1960 Frigidaire???? Was that a "rapidry" model as well??

And lastly, when are we going to see a picture of those 1965 Ladys??? And when are we going to see them in action??? I'm dying to see you do a load in those beauties. And with them being in showroom condition, they ought to work like they did when they were brand new.

--Charles--

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Post# 28132-3/26/2003-17:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire 1-18s- )
MESSAGE: I remember WCI bought Frigidaire in 1979
They stated in 1980 that changes & improvements were to be made to the designs and after the end of that year, new products were to be produced. WCI paid GM to continue to make the products for awhile. Nobody realized what they were going to do behind the scenes. As for appliance sales people I knew at the time it was thought WCI would continue to keep the GM products and make them on their own. What was happening behind the scenes people didn't realize. It wasnt until January 1981 when these new product look alikes were released. General Moters still made everything until the end of 1980. I remember specifically because myself and a few others were waiting in anticaption for these new products thinking of course everything was going to keep going Up and Down! But unfourtinatly that never happened!
Peter

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Post# 28133-3/26/2003-17:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (1-18)
MESSAGE: Yeah, me, too. I'd never seen a Frigidaire agitator other than the original and the Jet Cone, so the pic of the 1/18 agitator was a surprise to me.

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Post# 28134-3/26/2003-17:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: What a beauty...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2314537782&category=20714

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Post# 28135-3/26/2003-17:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Frigidaire history on Yahoo)
MESSAGE: It's too tiny to read, and there's no option to make it bigger like there usually is.

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Post# 28136-3/26/2003-17:38 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Control Board for Oven Temp)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,

Wow! I didn't know that GE stoves from that era had oven temp control boards! Talk about being ahead of the times. The look of those stoves are just a joy to behold.

Enjoy,

Mike

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Post# 28137-3/26/2003-17:41 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Wow! This is another one of those times that I hate living in an apartment. :-( I just love the look of that machine. It's in my favorite color too. I hope that someone from the club can give it a good home.

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Post# 28138-3/26/2003-17:47 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: It's bulk trash pickup day tomorrow here in Fort Lauderdale and I spotted a funny looking dryer on the way to lunch. It was an older Whirlpool dryer without a dial, it had only push-buttons. Said "solid state",no digital readout or membranes, just push buttons all the way accross the control panel. Some buttons were black and others were beige or red. There were over 10 or more buttons in total. It Was in so-so shape, the usual dents and scratches. Anyone have info about this model? It is something I can save for someone?
-Alex

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Post# 28139-3/26/2003-18:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: If it looks like this, then it is the first Whirlpool Solid State Electronic dryer.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/Whirlpool/Robert-Brooklyn-1983-Whirlpool-Washer/Robert-Brooklun-1983-Whirlpool-Washer-Controls.jpg

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Post# 28140-3/26/2003-18:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Actually, that picture is not the first one.

Whirlpool's first electronic washer, model LFA-9800, did have touch-controls, but the matching dryer did not.

The dryer had a row of mechanical pushbuttons that doubled for setting either the dryness level or time.  A toggle switch selected the drying mode.  Another set of buttons selected the temperature.

(Magic Clean -- any pictures, brochures or literature in the company archives?)

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Post# 28141-3/26/2003-18:21 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Yes, it looks alot older than that one. Should I save her?


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Post# 28142-3/26/2003-18:23 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: New Gain Softener
MESSAGE: I finally got to see the new Gain fabric Softener liquid and picked up a bottle of the stuff. I was looking for the Ultra stuff like the Downy I buy but I couldnt find it. They (Walmart SuperCenter) only had the nonconcentrated formula. So I will try that on Friday when I do my wash. I did notice that the Cheer Liquid HE price dropped from 9 bucks down to 4.98 for a 20 load bottle.
I was reading in Brand Week today about Colgate trying to sell off its house care products like Ajax and Palmolive. They are going to concentrate on Dental care since thats where they are getting the most bang so far. Unilever also has the Snuggle brand up for sale too and Surf will be gone by the middle of the year with All absorbing the scents like they are now. Dial is going to be bringing back the ill fated Purex Advanced but in a different package and price point. The Idea of the Purex Advanced was to go head to head with Tide. I did like that detergent alot..so I am going to keep my eyes peeled for it.
Mike

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Post# 28143-3/26/2003-18:29 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: "Tecnopolis", "CleanteamofNY", and "DADoES":

If this dryer is like the one I am envisioning in my mind, then it probably a 1977 Whirlpool Dryer. And that one would be the VERY first one with electronic controls. The thing about this dryer was that even though, the matching washer from 1977 was in fact an "electronic" washer with electronic controls, the matching dryer (which would be the one you are talking about here) had a single long row of mechanical push-buttons on them with the toggle switch right before the push-buttons on the control panel. That was the exact model they have made for Sears a year later. The 1978 Lady Kenmore pair was designed just like the 1977 Whirlpool pair. In both cases, the dryers had the long single row of push-buttons on them with the switches on them that appeared before the push-buttons. Those dryers have match the electronic washers of both Whirlpool (1977) and Sears (the Lady Kenmore -- 1978). And in the case of the Sears dryer (ClearteamofNY), the Sears version of this dryer was also matched up with the Dual-Action Agitator Belt-Driven Lady Kenmore washer (which was actually a 1976-77 model..... but I think they were trying to phase them out in 1978, so they decided to carry the washer again for a third year) you have recently acquired.

That's what I am guessing.....

--Charles--

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Post# 28144-3/26/2003-18:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I'm learning something new!
I didn't know that there was a model that supersede this one!

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Post# 28145-3/26/2003-18:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (CleanteamofNY........)
MESSAGE: Actually..... in this case, the dryer I am talking about actually "PRECEEDED" the one you have just shown on your most recent link.

--Charles--

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Post# 28146-3/26/2003-18:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (CleanteamofNY........)
MESSAGE: My mistake, you are right (Preceded).

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Post# 28147-3/26/2003-19:08 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: ola detergent
MESSAGE: Anyone ever used the OLA detergent. I ran across some in a supermarket here for $1.00 for 11 load box. It said it was imported from Indonesia. Didn't smell too bad either.



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Post# 28148-3/26/2003-19:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Washer History
MESSAGE: Here is a brief history of Frigidaire washers that Robert (Uni) wrote nearly 3 years ago. I posted it in my Yahoo album and you should be able to click on the small image and it will enlarge (large print edition!) for easy and enjoyable reading.

So clean, so quickly, so gently...entirely without harmful rubbing!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Frigidaire+Washer+History.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28149-3/26/2003-19:51 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I wish I had a picture of that first model! The one in the picture is possibly the 2nd generation, LHA-9800 model. The LFA was more colorful, and had the touchpads arranged differently, not in a linear fashion.

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Post# 28150-3/26/2003-19:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Seems like a tragedy to let her go to the Krusher. Somebody, somewhere might could give her a good home. Can you at least get some pictures?

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Post# 28151-3/26/2003-21:04 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: shipping washing machines (shipping a washer)
MESSAGE: Thank you for your response and advise. My niece wants to make a road trip to pick it up now,and I will pay her,and also for the cost of the trip. It's excitment to her,and I save appx. 50% as the est. I had to pack and ship was $780.00. Two guy's e-mailed me from this club to offer assistance to me to pick up and store the washer for me,until I could pick it up. What a genuine example of club fellowship! As a new member,I have much to learn from all of you.So far I am very impressed. Thanks to all!

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Post# 28152-3/26/2003-21:40 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I agree. Although we don't know why it's sitting out with the trash, it would be a shame not to try to save it. I'm sure someone in the club would love to make a rescue attempt.

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Post# 28153-3/26/2003-22:11 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (I-18 Desirability)
MESSAGE: Also, for its era,(and even now) and 18 lb capacity washer(ergo the 1-18 label) is large and for the early 70's, HUGE capacity. They are big, noisy, and wash clothes great in a gentler fashion than a side to side agitator. I just love mine, it is so adapatable in terms of wash size(infinite) and wash and spin speed.(2) The I-18 is like the old Lincoln Contential Convertible(I know it's not GM) with suicide doors-Big,showy and different and it gets you there with unique style and boy, you really enjoy the ride.

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Post# 28154-3/26/2003-22:24 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: How stange, my problem is trying to get mine loose of the bracket, which takes encourgement. I did order a new lint filter for my '76 that had bigger squeeze clamps than the original. I like to have two lint filters becasue they take some time to clean on the 1-18 and when you want to do the next load, nice to have a clean one on deck.

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Post# 28155-3/26/2003-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: There was a repair kit for this problem, but it might be a booger finding it now. What style of filter do you have - pan or bed-of-nails? I have the pan style in mine and actually rather prefer the bed of nails style as it doesn't clog quite as easily with a load of towels or rags. I might have a sub-top for your washer, Don, let me know what kind you need/prefer.

I wouldn't use the washer with the lint filter in place unless you are standing right there to stop it if/when it falls into the tub. You can damage or break the cones of the agitator if not caught quickly.

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Post# 28156-3/26/2003-22:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Finally got PICS up to share )
MESSAGE: Bruce, I can't wait for the upcoming pics.

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Post# 28157-3/26/2003-22:42 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: Ok, I went back to get some photos, but this was the only shot that would come out.
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/WashersandDryersArchives/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=62

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Post# 28158-3/26/2003-22:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Drool, lust, & swoon!!!

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Post# 28159-3/26/2003-22:53 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: That's it!

Temp pushbuttons to the far left.

Toggle switch for timed (lower position) or sensor (upper position) drying.

Pushbuttons for dryness level (upper markings) or timed drying (lower markings).

Push-to-start button.

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Post# 28160-3/26/2003-23:10 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info Greg-I have the bed of nails filter. I have tried about three filters, and they are all loose fitting. I am open to try a new outer ring, I guess in either style, my preference being the other, because this is so hard to clean.

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Post# 28161-3/26/2003-23:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: This is very similar to the one (in gas) John Lefever has on his screened porch. Didn't Kenmore have this model around the same time with black pushbuttons?

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Post# 28162-3/27/2003-01:29 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, the "Bed-of-Nails" type of Lint Filter that is in some of the Frigidaire "1-18" Washers, was made to be turned upside down and hit on a fairly firm surface and actually using a Paper Towel to collect the Lint on. That is what I was told when I bought mine new in the Mid-70s I wish I still had. They were the higher "MOL" set in the Avocado Green Color.

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Post# 28163-3/27/2003-01:33 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: I just posted a soulution to the "Bed-of-Nails" Filter on the "1-18" Washers, from past experience, about turning it upside down and hitting it on a fairly hard surface and using a Paper Towel to catch the Lint. That is what I was told when I bought my set in Mid-70s. That loosens the Lint and releases the Lint from the "Nails."

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Post# 28164-3/27/2003-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: When we had the Whirlpool with the bed of nails, I used to just whack it on the side of the laundry tub (right after, when the lint was wet) and it would come right off and I'd just throw it in the trash.

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Post# 28165-3/27/2003-02:34 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: That will work too, I forgot to mention about making sure that the Lint is still wet to have it slide off the Nails without getting quite as stuck, sorry Guys...

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Post# 28166-3/27/2003-04:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire history
MESSAGE: That was very interesting reading about the different Frigidaire transmissions. Fortunately, I was able to see it on my home computer

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Post# 28167-3/27/2003-05:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: New Gain Softener
MESSAGE: Hi, Mike. I noticed also in my local WalMart that both the Cheer and Gain HE liquids have dropped in price - also around $4.98. But I haven't yet seen the Gain softener on the shelves in either WalMart or KMart. And of course it isn't in any of the grocery stores yet either. Haven't yet seen the Gain HE powder either and it is supposedly available everywhere.

Interesting news about Colgate selling the Home and Fabric Care brands. I am not surprised. Our supermarkets haven't carried any Fab or Ajax detergent for the past several months. The only place you can even find the liquids would be the small independent "IGA" stores. Even WalMart and KMart no longer carry them. And of course you know that I refer to liquids only - the powders have not been distributed here for years. I guess it's time to start stocking up on Fab powder form "buyitbythecase.com"

As far as Lever goes, since they are killing the Surf brand little by little anyway, they might as well just finish it off once and for all. They have already altered the formula by removing the enzymes so now it has the "remarkable All stainlifters" - what a waste. But I did like the Surf tablets - purple fragrance only!! Sad, killing a perfectly fine brand - much like they did with Rinso. Took a high performing brand, did no advertising, altered the formula until it was nothing more than filler in a box and sold it at a ridiculously low price. Sounds like a great formula for success.

I occasionally run into a stray bottle of Purex Advanced in those dollar discount stores. I liked both the liquid and powder versions - worked well and smelled fine. If I remember wasn't that a joint venture with Purex/Dial and a European manufacturer that went bad shortly after introducing the product? Now if they would only re introduce Instant Fels Soap Granules............

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Post# 28168-3/27/2003-05:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: ola detergent
MESSAGE: In the way of unusual detergents I recently saw something called "Alin" in of the Latin supermarkets in the next town over. Looked like a regular not an ultra powder and was $1.19 for a 2 pound box - haven't tried it yet - can't tell what's in it since it's all in Spanish and is actually made in Spain - not Mexico or Puerto Rico...

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Post# 28169-3/27/2003-05:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge history
MESSAGE: Hi, Peter - as I remember the Timeline models were introduced in 1951 or 1952 and continued through 1957 or 1958. The Dispensomat was introduced in 1958 and existed in some form probably through 1965. I say this because there is a POD for Tide featuring a Norge 15 and if you look closely at the control panel, the script says Dispensomat Washer. After 1965 I am not sure - but it wasn't long after that Borg Warner sold Norge to Fedders. I am sure someone else can be a bit more exact with the dates, though.....

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Post# 28170-3/27/2003-05:48 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Scott....)
MESSAGE: Charles,

You are correct. My Lady is a 2-speed. I did not know what year the Super Capacity tub came out in the Kenmore's though.

Thanks

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Post# 28171-3/27/2003-05:55 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Charles,

The 75' Lady is a 2-speed. I guess they did away with the 3-speed motor in 73' 74'.

The 1960' Custom Deluxe you saw in my pics. is not a Rapidry. At that time they did not have 1000 rpm spin. My machine I believe is 710 rpm and the CI for that year I think was 800 rpm. There are others in this club who could be more specific. I have a new top, console, and wiring harness that I will put on soon and will have more pics with the light on.

Bruce

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Post# 28172-3/27/2003-06:03 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18s- Pardon My Ignorance! (Little extra info Re; 1-18 Filters)
MESSAGE: That's how I clean mine also. It works well.

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Post# 28173-3/27/2003-06:57 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bruce's New Finds
MESSAGE: When the weather gets warmer, we will have to make a spring trip, and hopefully get to see you. I will be in touch if we do

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Post# 28174-3/27/2003-07:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: New Gain Softener (Fab vs. Purex)
MESSAGE: Uh oh. I've been using Fab powder for about 2 years and really liked it. I recently bought a bottle of Purex liquid and I think I'm having a slight reaction to it (a bit of itching and rash), so I'll have to go back to Fab. If Fab becomes unavailable, I think I used Arm & Hammer before that. Yikes!!!

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Post# 28175-3/27/2003-07:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (What A Collection, Bruce!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Bruce, actually the CI and Imperials for 1959 & 1960 spin speed was 850 rpm, otherwise you're correct with 710.

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Post# 28176-3/27/2003-07:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer
MESSAGE: I've never seen this model before.....
I guess mom and dad rushed us (4kids) through Sears so fast during clothes shopping for school that this past my young tender appliance prying eyes!


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Post# 28177-3/27/2003-07:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share
MESSAGE: Bruce,

I must say you have an impressive collection!
I hope to find such treasures here in Bklyn. NY and a nice place to store them than a grimy old dark and dreary basement.

Thanks for the photos and I can't wait to see the rest!

Larry

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Post# 28178-3/27/2003-10:57 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Love the 442)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce,

The 442 is a beauty =) My dream car cept I'd like the convertible but we can all dream =) Did you do the restoration yourself?

~Steven

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Post# 28179-3/27/2003-11:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: OK, what's with Westinghouse advertising their "computer" controlled washer with LIVE WATER WASHING ACTION and Multi-speed revolving agitator that gets clothes cleaner than ever!...and an automatic lint ejector that sweeps away every trace of lint and scum??? I would have thought that Frigidaire would have had a few things to say about that ad. Sine when did a tumbler drum qualify as a "multi speed agitator" in a washer?Mark

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Post# 28180-3/27/2003-11:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: No Phosphate Calgon
MESSAGE: Well, it finally happened here - Calgon Water Conditioner no longer contains phosphates at all. I was in both Stop& Shop and KMart today and the boxes now state - "contains no added phosphates. For years, they distributed different formulas to different areas but I guess Benckiser Products decided to just make one formula of Calgon. I can't even find any older boxes to snap up! What next!!

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Post# 28181-3/27/2003-12:26 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Tecnopolis -- 1977 Whirlpool Push-Button Electronic Dryer)
MESSAGE: "Tecnopolis":

Just saw the link in your last post, and:

YEP!!!!!! THAT'S THE ONE!!!!!!!

--Charles--

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Post# 28182-3/27/2003-12:34 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: "Gansky":

Yes, Sears has marketed a similar model the next year. That would be the 1978 Lady Kenmore Dryer. They have made that one to be pair with both, the Lady Kenmore Electronic Washer with Electronic Controls (which by the way, was the first Lady Kenmore with Electronic Controls), and the 1976-77 [Carried Over] Model with Mechanical Controls.

And concerning the 1976-77 Lady Kenmore Washer with Mechanical Controls, I think that "CleanteamofNY" has this washer. Now, if he doesn't find a matching 1976-77 Lady Kenmore Dryer to go with his washer, if he should happen to find a 1978 Lady Kenmore All Push-Button Dryer in coppertone, then that dryer could be pair up with his washer as well.

--Charles--

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Post# 28183-3/27/2003-13:03 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Push button electric dryer (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: Charles,

I do not own that Whirlpool yet, the photo was taken from the appliance cyber museum. There was a pair on sale on eBay a few months ago and if they were near NY, I would have placed a bid on them. So......., I will have to wait until that day happens.....

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Post# 28184-3/27/2003-13:21 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: Just saw todays POD and about died. I love the Program Computer Laundromat and Dryer. I had searched for adverts for Westinghouse Laundromats in the late 1950's and came up with TWO, BOTH in Better Homes and Gardens. Both were for the Program Computer but both had a somewhat Different advertising layoutfor each.

I looked and searched twice for 1958 Laundromat advertising but have never found any....Must be Westinghouse had spend all their advertising budget supporting the Westinghouse DesiLu Playhouse for that year.

Oh well great picture anyway

Chad Schieberl

P.S. If anyone knows where I can pick up a 1960's Laundromat with a SLANT front....Please contact me @ (517)-627-9541..Thanks Again


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Post# 28185-3/27/2003-14:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: I kinda wonder if this machine does not have the slant tub, but rather a horizontal tub with the "potato" pulley that caused the tub to turn at different rates. They used the term "scoop away lint ejector vanes" right up to the end. The vanes had slots on one side of them that directed the wash water thru them into the outer tub.

-ph

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Post# 28186-3/27/2003-14:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: You're right Peter - this was not a slanted tub machine as you said, and had the "potato" pulley.

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Post# 28187-3/27/2003-15:02 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Finally got PICS up to share (Love the 442)
MESSAGE: Steven,

I sold the 442 last year befor I sold my Townhouse. Me and the Ex were parting and I was moving in with a friend, therefore had no room and did not want to worry about storage etc. I have kept the pics because I do miss it sometimes. It was a fun car, and FAST!.

Bruce

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Post# 28188-3/27/2003-18:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: So what's a potato pulley?

(Does that washer also have a chicken motor and a gravy pump?)

Chris.
: )


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Post# 28189-3/27/2003-19:45 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I know that the first front loader that had reverse tumble was the Launderall machine.
Did Launderall have a patent on reverse tumble wash action? The reason that I am asking is because I know that Westinghouse had to really put lot's of thought into coming up with that Potato Pully type wash action, and I am sure along the way that they knew that reverse tumble washing was better.
I was just curious because I remember learning about the patent that Bendix had on the suspension that they were using at the time, and everyone else had to come up with their own design to deal with off balance loads.
Thanks
Brent


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Post# 28190-3/27/2003-19:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Hello all,
Another question.
I was wondering what American front loader won for the fastest spin? Through the years that is. Did the Westinghouse front loaders ever get any faster before WCI took over with the Fridgemore?
I know you Europe guys had even the fastest top loader spins after the Unimatic. I was shocked when someone posted a Hotpoint top loader that they had that had like a 1,200 spin speed, and it was from the 80's.
Just so curious tonight.
Thanks all.
Brent

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Post# 28191-3/27/2003-20:02 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble
MESSAGE: I have in my collection a wringer washer that loads like a Launderall (opening at the top of the tub like a trap door) with a copper tub that reverses....I am guessing this machine is from the 20's or 30's (has a spigot drain spout)Also has a gearbox on the back. The motor is a Westinghouse. While it functions perfectly mechanically, I don't think I would want to use it to wash with though. My point is, that if I'm not mistaken, there was reverse action tumbling on some of the wringers of the 20's and 30's. Mark

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Post# 28192-3/27/2003-20:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Hi Chris - the 'potato' pulley as we refer to it was an oval shaped pulley for the low speed tumble during wash and rinse. I posted a picture from the service manual of the POD washer and a cutaway view of the machine as well so you can see more of the construction.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Westy&.src=ph&.dnm=potato+pulley.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westy%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28193-3/27/2003-20:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Curiosity once killed a cat...

I think the Bendix (and later Philco) probably won the spin speed contest for the older front loaders. The Westys spun at about 425-450 while the Bendix was about 525 for their suspended assembly front loaders (non bolt-down) in the mid 50's. The 36" Duomatics like I have spun at 505 rpm, but because of the large diameter drum, the results were about the same as the 525 rpm washer-only models.

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Post# 28194-3/27/2003-20:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Brent:

Your post raised several questions.

What year/decade did the Launderall first appear with reverse tumble?

What is Potato Pully?

Is Launderall that automatic that was featured in a recent POD - the one that looked and loaded like a TL, but was actually horizontal axis?

Was it Bendix that first came up with the suspension system of springs, &c. that made it possible to install the machine without bolting it to the floor?

The first time I ever encountered reverse tumbling action was 1983, when I took a trip to South Africa, a country with largely European-made goods. Before then, I had seen only the Westinghouse in action, so I always just assumed that reverse action was a European thing. What American FL's have used it over the years?

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Post# 28195-3/27/2003-20:52 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: It's called the Staber 2000 (www.staber.com) I've been on the fence about buying one.

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Post# 28196-3/27/2003-20:58 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: Have there been problems with the design throughout the years that it didnt catch on? I would think it would solve the problem of front loader efficiency with the no-bendover convenience of a TL...

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Post# 28197-3/27/2003-22:10 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Launderall)
MESSAGE: I was fascinated by the recent POD's of the Launderall ... top loading, tumble action, reverse action!?! Wow! Talk about being ahead of its time.

The Launderall is reported on in March 1947 issue of Consumer Research Bulletin and the October 1947 issue of Consumer Reports that are available through the Vintage Consumer Article section of this site. It sounds like it was among the first automatics. Talk about fascinating reading!

Mike


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Post# 28198-3/27/2003-22:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: I have a cousin who lives in England who has a top loading tumble action washer. I have no idea who the manufacturer is. I saw it being loaded while watching a video of another cousin's family vaction. (So they left out a few details. They meant well.)

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Post# 28199-3/27/2003-22:15 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Tumble action wringers!?!)
MESSAGE: Tumble action wringers!?! I never knew about those! Wow! This site is incredible. I learn something new everyday. :-) Thanks!

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Post# 28200-3/27/2003-22:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: No Phosphate Calgon
MESSAGE: Anthony, we already know part of "what next", gain, all, surf, ....... and what seems to be more liquids.

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Post# 28201-3/27/2003-22:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Wonder if it's a Staber.

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Post# 28202-3/27/2003-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Who'd a thunk, a flat front tub disguised in the body of a slant front. I guess Westinghouse decided less tangling was a superior feature for those who could afford this washer.

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Post# 28203-3/27/2003-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Top Load Horizontal Axis exists even today)
MESSAGE: Imperial70, I suggest you talk with your state neighbor Jetcone about Staber washers, he used to have a couple.

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Post# 28204-3/27/2003-22:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Chris, no it isn't. Our members from across the pond will chime in here with their expertise and knowledge of what brands in Europe offer toploading horizontal axis washers.

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Post# 28205-3/27/2003-23:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Could it Be?)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I just got back from the website, and Staber lists its origin as Ohio.

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Post# 28206-3/28/2003-03:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Overhere in Europe H-axis toploaders are quite common. My first washer was a Philips toploader. The link brings you to a picture of it. I was so stupid to get rid of it when it broke down. I had it from 1982 - 1993. This had a variable spinspeed (stepless) between 120 rpm - 850 rpm. Most of the European toploaders are very narrow machines, the cabinet was less than 16 inches wide. The axis goes from side to side instead from front to back as in the Staber. As far as I can remember there have always been toploaders on the market here. Philips was one of the brands that has carried those for years. Somewhere in the early seventies I think they came out with a new model, the CC1000, the first toploader that had a 1000 rpm spinspeed.

The popularity of the toploaders varies by country. In most countries frontloaders sell better than toploaders, but I believe that in France toploaders are more popular than frontloaders. Although there is less to see while in use (there were toploaders with a window in the lid, but you only see the drum moving, not the laundry) I definitely have a weak spot for these machines.

Much to my surprise not one of the European brands has decided to bring such a machine out on the American market. Miele, AEG, Bosch and Asko all have toploaders in their range. I wonder what keeps them. Especially the compact size is a real selling point. They are smaller but can handle the same amount of laundry than a European frontloader.

BTW, did you know there are also toploading washer/dryer combos?

Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.dnm=Philips+H-axis+toploader.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28207-3/28/2003-05:08 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: TODAY'S POD LIVE WATER ACTION???
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Thanks for posting those pics.
I still don't really understand how that washer works - how it engages wash and spin. The photo doesn't show a belt direct from motor to basket shaft/pulley, but the cutaway seems to have one. If it did have one I could understand how it all happens - when spin solenoid engages the drive direct to the basket instead of through the black pulley, the basket spins and the slow moving "potato pulley" just idles on the shaft. Is that about right?
It looks like the potato pulley is an odd shape to give a varying effective diameter of the pulley, to give some variation to the tumble speed. (?) If so, how does the belt cope with the variations? Is the idler pulley /shaft on flexible mounts to allow the belt to move in and out a bit?
I am fascinated with this, it looks a (tiny) bit like the keymatic in how it works.
Thanks
Chris.

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Post# 28208-3/28/2003-05:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.

Where was your Philips TL made? The two I had were both made in France. I still have one, I will post photos soon-ish. I was about to do it today when taking pix of the Keymatic, but I ran out of film. I did get one snap of the AEG junior spin dryer.

The Philips ones were never sold new in Australia, but the Bendix Bambino (from Philco in Italy) has been sold here for four or five years, and Kleenmaid sell one sourced from Brandt. The Bambino rates poorly in Choice tests but the Kleenmaid is their top rating washer, higher than even Miele.
Unfortunately the Kleenmaid/Brandt sells for about $2000, which makes it one of the most expensive washers on the market. I think only AEG and Miele have more expensive models. The Bendix recommended price is about $1200 but they are regularly on special for about $950. DEC also occasionally sell used grey import Whirlpool or Philips-Whirlpools, which I assume are derivatives of what you and I have owned.

About ten years ago a friend told me about another friend of his who had just found a very old TL tumble washer. He told me it was a Launder-Roll. He may have been mistaken and it may have been a Launderall, but he did tell me it was Australian made, appeared to be about 1950's, and was manually operated not automatic. I think you turned a lever to engage wash or spin. We have not contacted each other for a few years but I should try to track him down, and ask about it.
I really like this type of washer, I don't really understand why they aren't more popular. They seem to wash particularly well.

Chris.


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Post# 28209-3/28/2003-06:42 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (West POD)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad, I remeber those machines too, and they were pretty neat. I remember my mom having a westy computer laundromat. It had to be from the late 50's and was pretty neat. I rememeber you dialed the number of the program you wanted and the program would come up in the window and the machine would do the rest. I still have the operating guide to that machine minus the cover, and it had 7 cycles options. It was of the slant front variety too. I believe it was early than the POD machine.

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Post# 28210-3/28/2003-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: 1951 GE Found in Erie, PA
MESSAGE: I was contacted by someone who has a 1951 GE AW5-4 washer and a 1951 Whirlpool dryer. If you are interested please contact Peggy at bink@velocity.net.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/ge-wp.jpg

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Post# 28211-3/28/2003-09:06 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: 1951 GE Found in Erie, PA
MESSAGE: Great old machines although the GE looks like he needs alot of work and cleaning up.

Robert, why does this one have a black tub while your 51 GE has a white one? Are these two different models and are there any other differences that you know of?

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Post# 28212-3/28/2003-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,

I think mine was made in France, but I'm not sure. Unfortunately I can't check that anymore and I don't remember it being mentioned on the machine. These Philips toploaders were also sold here under the brandnames Erres, Ruton and Ignis. Just today I saw one of those Ignis machines at a thrift store. I wasn't tempted to buy it though. At another store there is a Philips Whirlpool machine, which means it is newer. It's the model with the 1100 rpm spin. But I don't think that one starts to spin with the water still in the drum. Do you know something about it?

Louis

BTW, looking forward to your pictures!

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Post# 28213-3/28/2003-13:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Here's a picture of a Philips Whirlpool toploader. A similar model is for sale in a nearby thriftstore. The control panel is covered by a small lid. There are two lids before you get to the drum, the dispensers are in the second lid. Spinspeed is 1100rpm. I'm thinking about buying it.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.dnm=Philips+Whirlpool+bovenlader.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t

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Post# 28214-3/28/2003-13:57 ||| BRENT-AUCOIN (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Go for it. That is such a great looking machine!
If you decide not to go get it, stop by and take more pictures for us! : )
What year is that from? It looks like such a solid machine. Do you know off hand what the lb. capacity is?
Thanks for the picture.
Brent

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Post# 28215-3/28/2003-15:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Tumble action wringers!?! (Maytag))
MESSAGE: here is a link to a Maytag tumble action wringer washer
LINK: http://216.160.174.6/oldewash_docs/oldewash/images/545a.jpg

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Post# 28216-3/28/2003-15:40 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster?
MESSAGE: Hi Brent
With the exception on the GM Frigidaires and an early GE model, no full sized American machine came anywhere near 1000 rpms. The Electrolux made Frigidaire/Kenmore/GE is the first American-made front loader to spin fast. (Even though it is based on a European design, it is assembled here in the U.S.) The old Bendix and Westinghouse front loaders never spun that fast...maybe 500 rpms. But to women who had used wringers, any automatic machine did a better job of water extraction. I remember my mom saying how dry the clothes were coming out of her new Westinghouse Laundromat compared to the wringer she had used previously. But her mother had a Unimatic Frigidaire, so she was aware there was room for improvement.
Rich

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Post# 28217-3/28/2003-16:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Here are some answers to your questions, at least as much as I know:
1. I'm pretty sure it was 1948
2. Excellent explanation and diagram at post #28192. This system had the Westy tub continuously increasing and decreasing tub rotation speed during the wash and rinse cycles.
3.Yes
4. No - Westinghouse introduced the first automatic that did not have to be bolted down in 1945. Revolutionary ...the washer could now be in the kitchen.
5. I believe that other than the Launderall, the only other American H axis machines that reverse tumbled were WCI-built Westinghouse and Kenmore machines produced in the early 90s. When Electrolux took over WCI, these machines were discontinued and the current "Frigmores" were introduced.

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Post# 28218-3/28/2003-16:39 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: I had the earlier model to this (dark fascia) when I had a flat in london, only had space for a washer dryer, took that out and installed AEG dishwasher and put the Whirlpool washer in the hall cupboard with a small Whirlpool dryer on a shelf over the top....

Very impressive machine...11lb/5.5kg load, 1100 spin speed with variable time, temperature & spin speed,had a trolley on the base with a lever handle to wheel about and very quiet in operation. The inner lid had dispensers for pre-wash, main wash & fabric conditioner...

These machines last years due to their double axel bearings either side of the drum, making them very stable....and with the slimmer very wide diameter drum the spin efficiency at 1100rpm was super....

Hope you get this one

Mike

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Post# 28219-3/28/2003-16:58 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent

The UK Hotpoint top loader spins at 1050rpm and has done so since the day it was introduced in 1960, not much changed at all on that machine other than cosmetics, fascias and beefed up components etc...The Servis TL machines had spin speeds of 650/700rpm

Our first Bendix FL machines where around the 500rpm mark with Hoover (Keymatic) Hotpoint (Liberator) English Electric & Servis all producing autos in the 1970`s with 740 rpm...late seventies saw the launch of the new Hoover FL with 800rpm speed with everyone else following suit... Hotpoint where the exception with their first FL spinning at 1100 but soon dropped back to 740 due to bearing probs...

Interestingly spin speed is the one feature that users request and manufacturers deliver on first in UK, partly due to the weather for line drying, and also for the fact that the British housewife was one of the last in the West to go "Automatic" preferring their "Twin-Tubs" spinning at speeds up to 3,100rpm with the average being 2,300rpm

Now its everything up to 1800rpm, I`m really impressed with my Maytag 1600 EuroLine fl with dryer, although from 1400 upwards you`d be hard pushed to feel the difference in moisture but sure does take time off the drying etc..

Mike

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Post# 28220-3/28/2003-17:23 ||| drmitch (West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: POD-Mamies Maytags- Part Two
MESSAGE: I hope Mr. Nelson gets to see this add.

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Post# 28221-3/28/2003-19:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start? Thanks Rich!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
Thanks for all of the information.
I remember when we were at Jeff's house during the convention, he had a Kennmore / Westinghouse machine that was one of the last ones that was made before the big switch to Electrolux. He said that this one had a reverse tumble wash. Steve 1-18 also helped a friend one time working on his from this era.
I wonder if that one had a faster spin on it.
Have a great weekend!
Brent

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Post# 28222-3/28/2003-19:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Mike,
What did you do with your machine? Did you sell it, or wear it out or somthing.
That sounds like a very cool machine.
When you look at the pictures, it is hard to believe that it would spin that fast.
Very cool.
Brent

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Post# 28223-3/28/2003-19:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin So interesting Mike!)
MESSAGE: Hello Mike,
What that your Hotpoint that you posted pictures of that time? That was a nice toploader. Do you still have it if it was? I can't understand why Hotpoint Or GE did not have this fast spinning model here in the US. It would seem to me, that in this day and age of "conservation", that people would run for this.
Also, was that your Stainless Steel set of the Maytags? That was a great looking pair! Very nice. That Maytag is built by Asko?
Thanks for the information.
Have a great weekend!
Brent

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Post# 28224-3/28/2003-19:58 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What front loading machine was faster? (UK Spin Mike, do you still have a link?)
MESSAGE: Mike,
Do you still have a link where your machines pictures were posted? (gee, if that was yours in the first place.)
Is so, please provide the link. I am sure that many new members would love to see your machines.
I was so impressed with them.
Brent

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Post# 28225-3/28/2003-21:35 ||| devildaddy (Troy NY)
SUBJECT: Gain HE etc.
MESSAGE: I was wondering how well the new Gain HE will perform in my Frigidaire front-loader. Is it comparable to liquid Wisk HE in performance and price?

And on THAT note, I finally gave the Wisk HE a tryout a few weeks ago. I had to change a couple of tires on the minivan after getting run into by a Hyundai (the driver of which ran a red light) and dressed in some not-so-good clothing. By the time I was done, the knees of my jeans had ground-in mud from the garage floor and the gloves had ground-in brake dust on them. I threw it all in the washer, set it to warm wash/cold rinse and used about 7/8 capful of detergent. Everything came out amazingly clean with the exception of a little of the brake dust on the gloves. I'll probably stick to the Wisk tablets I've been using for most colored-clothing washes as I like the smell of them, and I can get by with one tablet for most loads...very economical. For whites, I've been using 1/2 scoop of Tide with Bleach and 1/2 scoop OxyClean. Everything comes out extremely well.

I've got to say that I've been extremely happy with the Frigidaire. I'm usually able to get my laundry done in 3 loads per week (colors, whites and towels), assuming I'm not washing bedding that week. I don't have to spend all day doing laundry anymore as the dryer keeps up with or often gets done faster than the washer. Can't honestly say that I enjoy doing laundry like most of you here do...to me it's just a chore, but much less so than it was than when I had that crappy top-loader GE. Incidentally, that's still sitting in the garage waiting for me to disassemble it and throw it out with the garbage. Fortunately I have a 95-gallon trash bin. If any of you want it (FREE) for parts and are near Troy NY, please let me know before I go nuts with the screwdriver.

---Charlie

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Post# 28226-3/28/2003-23:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Mini-Washing Fun
MESSAGE: I played with the Mini-Basket in my GE Americana washer and snapped a few pics of the fun. I did a small load of whites with Tide and oxy-bleach. I was surprised at how clean everything came out, although we did have lots of suds to get things extra clean - but it's not washday without a bubble cake after all!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=Ready+to+Mini-Wash.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28227-3/29/2003-00:01 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (European toploaders)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I would never have known.

I should have known that there would be a toploading tumbler that is a washer/dryer combo. It's just a natural progression.

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Post# 28228-3/29/2003-00:11 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture)
MESSAGE: Man, were you ever right about those cabinets being so narrow! I like it!

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Post# 28229-3/29/2003-00:22 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Where to Start?)
MESSAGE: Kewl.

Did potato pulley continue through all the different morphoses of the Westinghouse FL? My 20/20 hindsight remembers now that my Grandfather's 1964 Laundromat would seem to tumble flexibly depending on the size and type of load and how it rose and fell in the tub. Interesting.

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Post# 28230-3/29/2003-00:25 ||| gregm (central MA)
SUBJECT: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: This link brings you to the Norge and Kenmore that I found about a month ago (photos 6-8). The two white 1/18's that I found are behind it. Then click on "photo albums", click on the albums titled "Frigidaire" then "Norge", those will show you the gold TOL 1/18 set I found and the other album has closer inside pics of the Norge ........... other, better, overall pics still coming as well..........hope you enjoy..........
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/More+apps&.src=ph&.dnm=NorgeandKenmore.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bapps%26.src=ph%26.view=t

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Post# 28231-3/29/2003-00:26 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Chestermikeuk)
MESSAGE: Was yours permanently hooked up to plumbing, or did you have to roll it up to a sink?

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Post# 28232-3/29/2003-00:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Wonderful pictures, thanks Greg! You have such a wonderful collection. What year is that Sears washer next to the Norge? I don't think I've ever seen that particular one before.

Appnut and I were wondering aloud one day whether your Norge was the "VHQ" and I see now that it is. Hope you are able to get it to behave better, if it isn't already. *BANG*...cycle is done. ;-) Have a great weekend, Scott

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Post# 28233-3/29/2003-01:14 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I have a late '80s or early '90s Stack Gibson Washer and White-Westinghouse Gas Dryer and the Gibson Washer has the Load-Weigh Drop-Down Door and it also has the Reverse-Tumbling Multi-Speed Wash Action. Naturally the Gibson is part of the Family of WCI, and usually inside Brands have different Consoles even with similar features, but my Gibson looks just like the White-Westinghouse Gas Dryer, so they are perfect matched. They are in storage in my Garage at this time, with the Dryer Stacked to save space for other items Stored as well. I'm looking forward in getting my Garage cleaned out and able to switch my Washer and Dryer around to use them again for at least a while. I really like them, especially the Washer, because of having the Window that my Neptune doesn't have. The Dryer also has the Stationary Dry Rack that hooks into the Air Vent Holes on the inner Door opening. I also want to have the space cleared to allow me to work on my newer finds and Machines I've had for a while.

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Post# 28234-3/29/2003-02:26 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire "1-18" Washer and Hotpoint E-Dryer find:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friends, I just picked-up a 1976 Frigidaire "1-18" Washer and a 1993 Hotpoint E-Dryer, from a Friend on Friday. They were going to just "Junk" the Washer, because it went out on them. The Dryer worked until recently and all of a sudden quit. They bought a newer 1992 Kenmore "MOL" Matched Set and that Dryer wouldn't work, so they found out that the Hotpoint Dryer had Blown the Fuses. They paid $100.00 for the Dryer and were given the Washer and they just wanted $50.00 for the Dryer and threw in the Washer. The "1-18" is what I would call an "off-breed" Model #WC-6 that wasn't real popular with purchasing. I can't even find any Brochures I have that show it with the others. I would like to know if anyone might have any info that you can send to me? I would really appreciate any and all info to be sent to me "via" E-Mail. The Hotpoint
E-Dryer is a Model #DLB1550. It looks like it is in pretty good shape for being 10-years old, but I'm going to still take it apart and clean it out and Lube the Rollers, Belt Tension Pulley, with Turbine Oil and check the Drum Belt too.

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Post# 28235-3/29/2003-02:38 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Universal Gas Stove/James Dishwasher Combo:
MESSAGE: What a neat Appliance and idea. Does anyone have one of these? I wonder if there are any Electric Stove/Dishwasher Combo's ever made? It would be great for people to be able to choose Electric or Gas Stoves for their personal preference. {LOL} I was only 3-years old when these were being sold. Those were the days, why can't they do something like this now?

I know that one of the Manufactures now does make a Stove with the Oven that changes to a Refrigerator after Cooking, if you don't take the Food out soon enough. Does anyone know that Company who makes that Stove?

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Post# 28236-3/29/2003-04:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Re; Gibson FL Washer Reverse-Tumble & Stack W-Westinghouse Gas Dryer: (Spinspeed?)
MESSAGE: What is the spinspeed of your Gibson washer?

Louis

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Post# 28237-3/29/2003-05:57 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Link to Norge and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Greg - great photos. That Kenmore is the exact model one of my aunts had . I remember that it was a big deal because she never had a washer in her apartment and always had to go to the laundromat. Then in 62 or 63, my cousin bought this for her. But it seemed that she never did laundry - I don't recall that I ever got to see it operate. Then in 1971 she moved to Bay Ridge and left the machine behind.

Just out of curiosity, how did you get the cat pee and mildew out of the Norge?

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Post# 28238-3/29/2003-06:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about Front Loading Reverse Tumble (Philips Whirlpool toploader picture Go for it!)
MESSAGE: I went to the thriftstore this morning and had a look at the Philips Whirlpool toploader. It was quite a disappointment. The lid was badly damaged (I hadn't seen that last time, there was a box on it) and the timer appeared to be stuck. Although they give a 3 months warranty, it