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Post# 40251-6/17/2004-13:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: the rest ...........
MESSAGE: I have a few impeller type DW's and the hotter water and longer cycles offer decent performance. I have a '49 GE impeller type and have loaded that thing up with dishes literally filthy, (I did scrape off any excess food, whereas to not clog up the pump, there is no "food disposer" in most older machines either) but nevertheless, being a manual machine, you could walk away and let them wash for 15 minutes if you want and they came out GREAT !! Also any older machine needed to have some thought behind loading so that water could make contact with all surfaces. Ironically, in the Consumer reports (I think in vintage articles on home page)Hotpoint (impeller type) was rated fairly well in cleaning performance, but I also know that Jimmy (filterflo) had a '56 GE in his kitchen and he said it was a terrible performer because the cycle time was to short, if I remember correctly.
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Post# 40252-6/17/2004-14:11 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: ATL Area-Whirly TL on the curb.
MESSAGE: Metro Atlanta folks- there is a Whirly TL Model #LLR6233AWO on the curb at 3309 College Street, College Park. Exit I85 at Virginia Ave. (WEST) take appox. 1 mile, turn right onto College Street. Just past 2nd Stop on left.
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Post# 40253-6/17/2004-15:28 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Auto Manufacturers and Washers
MESSAGE: Let's see:
GM had Frigidaire
Ford had Philco
AMC had Kelvinator
Did Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge ever manufacture anything but cars?
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Post# 40254-6/17/2004-16:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: Great pictures Jason, thank you. I added your link to the collections page.
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Post# 40255-6/17/2004-16:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1912 Easy Washing Machine (Wringer Washer Site)
MESSAGE: For more information Check out Lee Maxwells Wringer Washer Site...
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com
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Post# 40256-6/17/2004-16:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Hi Ralph, yes I don't expect the Apex to excel in cleaning ability, but for dishes and glasses it should be just fine, especially with 180 degree water.
Certainly, you will get to see this beauty in action after the restoration and after I have a clear piece of glass cut in the shape of the lid.
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Post# 40257-6/17/2004-17:05 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: early 80's ??Maytag A806
MESSAGE: Hello gang,
LUrker here... but now I have a chance to buy one of the old, round-center-dial machines (like I recall from back in the ??60's), original owner, 2 spd, 4 levels, 4 temp. She bought new set for new house. It's almond, so not vintage, but I'm sure 20+ yrs old ?? When were these discontinued? One reservation: it's been in her hot garage here in PHX for six ?? months, do I need to worry about seals drying out/leaks ?? I will ask her if I can haul it out to driveway, fill with garden hose, and do a test run to check for leaks. I assume parts are readily available, should need be, since this will be my everyday washer. Thanks for help!
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Post# 40258-6/17/2004-17:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (sump rust holes)
MESSAGE: Is it just the picture or is it that the porcelain coating doesn't extend all the way down into the sump?
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Post# 40259-6/17/2004-17:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded (Twist & Pull filter)
MESSAGE: My 1972 KM portable has the Twist & Pull Bed of Nails filter
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Post# 40260-6/17/2004-17:56 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: Chrysler made well respected 'Chrysler Airtemp' window air conditioners. Saw many of them, years ago. Most of them worked untill they rotted away in the window.
Ken D.
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Post# 40261-6/17/2004-17:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE: Airtemp a/c for their cars and the home
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Post# 40262-6/17/2004-19:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: At the Govt building I worked in while in Wash DC they had a Chrysler Airtemp water chiller system that was tagged "Abandoned in Place"Looked like it hadn't been run in years.The chiller compressers were open type-radial cylinders-looked like a small aircraft engine.It was turned by a 40 hp 3 ph motor.Several years later the system was finally removed.
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Post# 40263-6/17/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: I used to have a washer similar to yours in a townhouse I used to live in when I was working in Wash DC. The Townhome was built in 1985 and located in Manassas Va.The matching dryer was on a stand that held the dryer above the washer.That little washer did work pretty well-but was limited how much you could put in it. Typically-I had to do 4 loads in it.Would be like 2 loads in a full size washer. Was an interesting machine. Left it with the townhome when I moved to NC.Mine didn't have the top mounted dispenser.
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Post# 40264-6/17/2004-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE: Chrysler also supplied Airtemp systems to commercial and institutional use.The Govt building I worked in had one-but wasn't operational.A neighboring apartment building to mine had one as well.It took them awhile to get parts for it.
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Post# 40265-6/17/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (sump rust holes)
MESSAGE: The porcelain does go all the way down into the sump, but its just a single coating, the double coat is in the speckled area. Triple coating would have made the tub white. The sump needs porcelain more than anywhere else so you would think they would have put more than one coat on down there, go figure.
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Post# 40266-6/17/2004-22:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (thin porcelain coating)
MESSAGE: That is strange, since it's a one piece thing, seems it would be MORE trouble NOT to make the porcelain coating thicker in one place than in another on the same piece of metal.
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Post# 40267-6/17/2004-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Since the plumbers putty was now dry and rock hard I painted a couple of layers of silicone over the rusty bottom of the sump and then reinstalled the cast iron motor mount and drive unit assembly. I also installed the new drain hardware. All the blue silicone will be hidden below the impeller base so it will be there to protect that tank without taking away from the look of the dishwasher.
Oh and the best news to report is I took the lid off and took it to my local Ace Hardware center where they are cutting me a piece of glass in the exact shape of the dishwasher lid. I’m picking that up tomorrow and I can’t wait to see how it comes out!
Next I need to work on the water valve, heater tank and get the machine back together for a trial run with its see-thru lid. Stay tuned.
Pictures from tonight…
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=11@Nice%20Blue%20Silicone%20for%20Sealing@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40268-6/17/2004-22:57 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: They also made a high quality central air conditioning system for home use. My sister used one for more than 25 years in the Alabama heat and humidity before the compressor finally went out.
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Post# 40269-6/17/2004-23:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Here's the link; I'm boycotting Yahoo Photos one album at a time...
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/
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Post# 40270-6/17/2004-23:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Yay, a Pulsamatic photo; the WV-35 is one of my favorites! I assume that load consisted of the rags used on the DW.
--Austin
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Post# 40271-6/18/2004-00:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (no first spin)
MESSAGE: Have you checked the Ester chart to see if there's actually no first spin? It's possible that the contact in the timer that activates a first spin is bad.
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Post# 40272-6/18/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: So have you figured out how the ORIGINAL drain pump worked? You thinkit was a neutral drain even with the original pump? and possibly the wiring of the electric pump disturbed the first spin (if there originally was first spin). This really has me curious.
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Post# 40273-6/18/2004-01:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (bucket draining)
MESSAGE: I suppose you could put one of those Little Giant submersible pumps in the bucket to pump the water up to a sink. Or, they make little pumps that have float switches in them. The evaporator on my central A/C (which is in the attic on the end of the furnace) has one of these that pumps the condensate to the outside of the house.
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Post# 40274-6/18/2004-03:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: This you got to see! The german picture of the day shows a line-up of the Miele appliances from the sixties.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/bilddestages/dateien/2004-6-18.html
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Post# 40275-6/18/2004-08:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806
MESSAGE: The last year these were available was late 1978 or early 1979. I had a chance to buy this machine as my first washer, but opted for a GE filter-flo instead. Have always regretted that decision. Sounds like a 1976-1978 model due to color.
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Post# 40276-6/18/2004-08:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (cool)
MESSAGE: wow, cool photos, love the shots of the fill/spray, thanks for sharing :)
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Post# 40277-6/18/2004-08:30 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: that would be nice framed
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Post# 40278-6/18/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 40279-6/18/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, I will add your link to the collections page.
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Post# 40280-6/18/2004-09:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: These earlier Japanese machines had no first spin. They always had neutral drain, the tiny low power motor could never cope with a spin drain. In fact the motors sometimes cook when the pump partially blocks, and the machine attempts to spin when still part full. It is quite possible the pump is original, they always look like an afterthought, just screwed the the back panel. The button traps are prone to leaks so they are often bypassed.
The main reason for no first spin I believe is the tendency for Japanese users to use LOTS of detergent. I have read that Japanese users like to see lots of suds, if there and suds it isn't washing properly. If it were to spin straight after rinse, it could whip up a suds lock. Many front loaders used to do the same. Aus Hoover FL's used to do 5 rinses but only spun after the last 2.
I find it interesting that washers tend to reflect the thinking of their country of origin, such as many European machines that offer no cold wash option and even the cheapest European machines have a heater. Italian machines in particular seem to have really long wash times and till recently default to quite hot washes. Australian derivatives of the same machines were changed to have much shorter wash times, no heater and lower water consumption to reflect the different imperatives of Aus users. Japanese machines tend to be very lightly constructed reflecting the greater acceptance of "disposable" appliances in that country, and have very intensive rinsing to reflect their use of lots of high suds ddetergent.
Chris
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Post# 40281-6/18/2004-09:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
Thanks for posting those pics.
I noticed what looks like a small crack in the plastic near the LH hinge.
A friendly warning: be very careful when moving the machine not to handle it by the top panel, always use the side handles. The top panels get brittle with age and break very easily. Also be sure to untangle the load before removing it from the tub, if you pull out a "rope" of twisted sheets or similar, it can catch on the crack and bust it wide apart.
I accidentally wrecked a tiny Sanyo with that problem.
Chris
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Post# 40282-6/18/2004-10:23 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: If it is a A806....the machine would be two speed but 4 speed select (a separate button for regular and gentle wash and regular or slow spin) and it would have a 6 temp combo's....a seperate button for cold/war/hot wash and cold/warm rinse. The machine would also have a prewash cycle prior to the soak cycle and a backlit control panel. Temp control to the right of the dial and speed control to the left.
What you discribe is a A608.....4 temp control to the left of the dial and regular action/gentle action to the right. No backlit panel and no prewash cycle.
The "06" series was available from the late 60's to mid to late 70's. Models from A106 to A806...being the top of the line. Below modle A806...the machines had a button for cold/warm/hot only. cold and warm defaulted to cold rinses. Hot defaulted to a warm rinse in the regular cycle....cold rinse was only available with hot on the PP cycle.
The "08" series was introduced after President Carter forced the DOE to command that all washers offer a cold rinse in every cycle. There never was a A808 washer since the A806 could achieve a Hot/Cold in the regular cycle.
The "08" series was availabel til fall of 1980...when the "10" series was first produced.....brown control panel and dial on the right.
Your machine is at least 24 years old.
To identify from afar....."06"'s usually had a seamist blue background where the controls are. From left to right the temps read cold/warm/hot. They also had a orange pilot light above the dial.
the "08"'s had a warm walnut tannish backgrownd and the temps read hot/warm/cold for machines with no warm rinse available or hw/hc/wc/cc for machines that offered a warm rinse.
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Post# 40283-6/18/2004-10:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: day out pics
MESSAGE: Today I had the big day out including snapping some pics of the Malleys Whirlpool and the GE600N for sale, and several others at the recycle centre. (The recycle ones are filthy...)
Someone has beaten me to the other Whirlpool, it has found a new home in the last couple of days. Good to see others still value them.
I have uploaded the Whirlpool at the 2nd hand store, the other files are to big to upload so I will re-save them in lower res and then upload them over the next day or so.
Chris.
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Post# 40284-6/18/2004-10:29 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: 1 more thing....
"06" water levels were marked small, medium, normal, and large
"08" levels were marked small, medium, large, and EX Large
of course A806 machines produced after the "08" series was in production would have followed the "08" level markings
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Post# 40285-6/18/2004-10:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: dunnit again.
Here's the link...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@Malleys%20Whirlpool@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 40286-6/18/2004-11:25 ||| Eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT: 1951 JAMES dishwasher w/glass top! on ebay RARE!
MESSAGE: Hello all,
i just posted my 1951 James automatic stainless steel dishwasher on ebay. it is the rare model that has the glass top that you lift to load, then you can watch the load being washed. it's in near mint original condition! it has all the wire racks too! take a look and let me know what you all think. thanks again! best, steve kabella
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Post# 40287-6/18/2004-11:37 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: Got the Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: My GE Filter-Flo was delivered yesterday, two days late. They gave me a 90 day warranty instead of the usual 60 day.
Loaded it up with 4 sheets and two towels, a pretty big load and less Tide Free than I would use in my Maytag. The curved three vane agitator and the filter water combined to produce more than enough suds, in fact there was a suds lock during the spin/drain.
Great, although noisy washing action. Good fairly high speed spins. Lots of fun to watch with the top up, just depress that lid switch.
Now, I need help dating this machine:
Mod. No. WW 4600SBL WW (the second and third digit may be wrong)
Ser. No. SL 189062 G
This is probably 1982 or 1994. Looks more like 1982, but the way most people beat up their appliances it could well be 1994.
Also I think it is bastardized, the tub has the Hotpoint type ring, and the GE filter-flo pan. Perhaps they replaced the tub with a Hotpoint tub. The ring does spread the fill and spray rinse around the tub. The water flows properly into the filter-flo pan during agitation.
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Post# 40288-6/18/2004-12:31 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Wow I've never seen a Surgilator with a filter ring like that! It must be a burb-up filter?!
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Post# 40289-6/18/2004-12:35 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE:
So imagine if Chrysler had made washers...some big 2 ton monster tank of a washer with a 355hp motor, big vaned agitator and a mean looking "Christine" grill for a control panel...dirt wouldn't stand a chance! But probably not your clothes either! LOL
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Post# 40290-6/18/2004-12:40 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: That machine is so interesting! It looks much too new to have the agitator-mounted filter pan. The only Whirlpool reference over here that I've ever seen regarding a filter like that was in the user manual for our 1962 machine -- on a low-end model (1 cycle, 1 speed, 3 temp (h/w, w/w, c/c), 1 water level) that was also covered in the manual.
Oh, and I have to say again, that side-opening lid is just so wrong, LOL!
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Post# 40291-6/18/2004-13:11 ||| automagic (Chicago)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hey guys,
I just looked on Ebay, but I couldn't find the James dishwasher. However I did see a wonderful Portable GE dishwasher. I wonder who is sell selling that one!! ;-)
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Post# 40292-6/18/2004-17:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: Very cool - I'll take a #208 please! (Deluxe 520 5kg washer)
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Post# 40293-6/18/2004-17:08 ||| eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT: rare james dishwasher 1951
MESSAGE: the ebay number for the auction is 3683932227 and it starts the posting on saturday. oops, forgot to mention that, thanks for the emails.
regards, steve
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Post# 40294-6/18/2004-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - they are fun to see. Does your Whirlpool do lots of spray rinses like ours here did? Even with the slower spin speeds, those spray rinses helped rinsing tremendously. I love the "scoop and sling" filter for the Whirlpool - have you tried it yet? They are fun to watch, Speed Queen used a very similar one for their 60's machines but their overflow wash and rinse tended to wash away all the lint that was collected!
Thanks again - enjoy your new machine.
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Post# 40295-6/18/2004-17:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: European appliances are the best! Is that your Miele Automatic 400 in this picture?
--Austin
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Post# 40296-6/18/2004-18:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Another tip for other Japanese portable users out there:
When you're moving it by the side handles, grab the steel cabinet with your palms instead of the plastic cover, which is VERY flimsy and is prone to breakage. I moved it like this once and felt the plastic "give," so needless to say I grabbed the cabinet from that point on!
--Austin
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Post# 40297-6/18/2004-18:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: I'm going to follow-up on a few points you mentioned about the GE.
"...the tiny low power motor could never cope with a spin drain." This is obvious when I use this machine: During agitation I can hear the motor bog down when the clothes circulate around the impeller, and the seller of the GE Portable on eBay (which never sold) said not to overload it since it strains the motor. Also I can tell that the spin won't get up to high speed if there's a large load.
"It is quite possible the pump is original, they always look like an afterthought, just screwed the the back panel. The button traps are prone to leaks so they are often bypassed." That is exactly where the pump is, and the pump does look a little old, so it probably is original. Also, there's no space under the cabinet where a motor-driven pump would have been. I could see where the "Button Trap" could pose a problem. The small rubber plug used to drain it before cleaning has a very loose fit, so if the hose was blocked during the drain that plug would pop out and water would go everywhere!
"The main reason for no first spin I believe is the tendency for Japanese users to use LOTS of detergent. I have read that Japanese users like to see lots of suds, if there and suds it isn't washing properly. If it were to spin straight after rinse, it could whip up a suds lock. Many front loaders used to do the same. Aus Hoover FL's used to do 5 rinses but only spun after the last 2." Yes, on the "Regular" cycle it does 8 spin-sprays, and on the "Permanent Press" and "Gentle" cycles there are 3-5 neutral spray rinses followed by the 8 spin-sprays. Also, in case anyone was wondering, the machine is just 1 speed; the difference between the "Gentle" and the other cycles is that it has a much shorter wash time, as well as more frequent motor reversals. Bottom-impeller machines naturally don't suds well (even with a decent amount of Tide), so I can imagine the loads of detergent the Japanese put into those poor machines!
"Japanese machines tend to be very lightly constructed reflecting the greater acceptance of "disposable" appliances in that country..." This is true; the GE is quite a flimsy machine cosmetically. At least it still has the porcelain-speckled steel tub. I requested pictures of the newer stackable GE (with a Pulgitator, btw) and the tub is either plastic or SS (which seems highly unlikely for a small machine).
--Austin
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Post# 40298-6/18/2004-18:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: Do you have pictures of it? The 1994 machine has a white control panel with white dials/pushbuttons. The 1982 machine, however, could have white toggle switches for the water temperature/speed. If not, the 80's machines have widely spaced silver pushbuttons for temperature/speed to the left of the control panel.
--Austin
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Post# 40299-6/18/2004-18:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Love the burp-up filter! It (and the side-opening lid as well) looks so uncommon on a Whirlpool machine with a regular-looking Surgilator!
--Austin
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Post# 40300-6/18/2004-18:20 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: recent finds
MESSAGE: I picked up a BD Whirlpool,in immaculate shape,several years ago,that someone traded in because it wouldn't pump.The pump and hoses were PACKED with foam rubber,from washing small throw rugs.
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Post# 40301-6/18/2004-18:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the oddball 906 models,one step above TOL!
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Post# 40302-6/18/2004-18:28 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: I always seem to forget the 906 even tho Ganski has a beatiful one. \The 906 was not produced after the 08 series was introduced. Did not do a hot/cold on regular. I'm not sure if the even produced it through the end of the "06" offering
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Post# 40303-6/18/2004-18:33 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: Great pictures Austin! I too really like this new viewer - I always know I'll see every picture I want to. A question about your GE - what does a portable impeller machine like yours do for a "cool down"?
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Post# 40304-6/18/2004-18:53 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: And the early "06" standard capacity machines still used the bakelite agitator with spline separate from the agitator skirt. Transmission on those machines agitated at 50 something OPM while the deep tub modles were at 63 OPM.
The early deep tub modles had only 3 water levels ...small,normal and large and had a separate spline from the agitator skirt even though it was poly.
And add to that that the "06" series was actually two model series w/ and w/o Permanent Press...and used completely different timer schematics. TImer increments for 06 Standards without PP were 30 sec. Deep tubs...45 sec...Once PP was introdiced they all had 1 min timer increments.
And then u had odd balls like the A407...which was one of the first Fabric Matic modles (1 speed motor) 1 wash cycle./..with 3 buttons for regular/PP/delicate....delicate would soak and wash...PP would cool down and the final extract was only 3 mins. This machine had a soak only cycle and a 28 minute timed soak cycle.
And at the very end of the "08" series offering they had a A106 that had standad capacity, regular and PP only....hot warm cold with all cold rinses and 3 water levels. Machine had the original "wringer type" agitator. And had the ble seamist sontrol panel. If you stepped up to the A106F you got the same machine but with the tan backsplash and a lint filter and sofnter cup.
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Post# 40305-6/18/2004-19:16 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (you would still have that washer)
MESSAGE: Bob,
If you had opted for the A608 or A806 ...you would definitely still have that washer.
Yeah by this time the transmission would have had to be rebuilt and wearables such as hoses and belts replaced ....but even in Texas...this washer would still be produceing.
Maytags of this vintage did have their draw backs...short wash cycle 10 mins, way too short of rinse cycle 2mins and no convienience features. But they last last last last!....and if something did go wrong ...it was easy and cheap to fix In those days I don't think any could beat them for extraction save an older Frigidare or a Norge made machine.
Tom
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Post# 40306-6/18/2004-19:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: Good question Pete! I haven't looked into the Permanent Press cycle even though I used it once; I'll have to try it tonight and keep everyone updated.
--Austin
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Post# 40307-6/18/2004-19:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: The wringer-style agitator always amazes me because I've never seen it in an automatic before. Greg, how does your Highlander with that agitator clean? Also, does anyone know the capacity of the deep-tub Maytags? The capacity of the standard-tub machines would probably be a 10-12 lb load.
--Austin
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Post# 40308-6/18/2004-19:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: As a follow-up to my previous post, I just washed a dust ruffle on the PP cycle, and the "Cool Down" phase is a series of 7-8 neutral spray rinses, before it fills for the rinse cycle. Very interesting to watch.
--Austin
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Post# 40309-6/18/2004-19:55 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: I will post when I borrow or purchase a digital camera. This will probably give me the push.
Mod. No. on back WHA 8800
Mod. No. on side looks like WHA 8600 GBLWW
Ser. No. on side SL 189062G
The control panel is black with two push buttons on left for normal or gentle wash/spin speeds. Center are two twist knobs one for water level high medium low and mini-basket, and water temperature selection, cold-cold, warm-cold and hot-cold, then on the right is the cycle selection knob, all knobs are chrome.
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Post# 40310-6/18/2004-20:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: The Aberdeen Gang--1997
MESSAGE: I just finished watching the Aberdeen Farm videos, where Jon (Jetcone) found a WI-57 Control Tower and many other fun happenings and discoveries. Even though this was 7 years ago (hard to believe; for me 1997 was yesterday), I recognized Robert, Jon, & Donald, but no one else. Who was the man explaining the Agitub on the Skinni-Mini, and who was the narrator/cameraman? I'm curious to know.
--Austin
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Post# 40311-6/18/2004-21:11 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I found another old Whirly this morning, which I'll post pics of soon.
The machine is full of rust, but the transmission is in good nick.
So the Question is, how do you remove a surgilator when it doesnt want to pull off the shaft? :)
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40312-6/18/2004-21:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock
MESSAGE: If you don't have an Agi-Tamer* handy then take the cap off the Surgilator and put a few drops of oil on the shaft/drive block. Wait overnight, and if it deosn't come off, repeat the procedure.
*An Agi-Tamer is a device that, when you connect it to a washer's fill hose (or an air hose depending on the model) and place it under the agitator base, a round rubber tube inflates and literally bench-presses the stuck agitator off the drive block. You can purchase it at an appliance parts store. It works well with plastic and metal agitators, but I will give you a friendly warning:
1. Be sure to remove the screw cap/bolt holding the agitator to the drive block (with spline press-on agitators this step is not necessary)
2. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, USE THE AGI-TAMER ON STUCK BAKELITE AGITATORS. THEY WILL EXPLODE DUE TO THE HIGH PRESSURE.
Hopefully you can find an Agi-Tamer in Australia; these can be a real help.
--Austin
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Post# 40313-6/18/2004-21:58 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: The "gyrafoam" agitator did pretty good. You had to be careful not to overload though, or almost no roll-over will occur. Bulky items could be a problem as well.
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Post# 40314-6/18/2004-22:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: THANKS GUYS AND GALS!
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I have been away for awhile, but just had to catch up.
Thought that I would just post one message to everyone for the great posts, and great pictures! Too many to name!
Applianceville is alive and kicking these days!
Robert, thanks for the new picture downloading system! It is wonderful!
Brent
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Post# 40315-6/18/2004-22:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint Twinnie on eBay (Attention UK Collectors!)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint Twin-Tub washer, in Lincolnshire. $10. Unsure of condition as there is no photo, but works great and seller will demonstrate machine.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3822605061&rd=1
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Post# 40316-6/18/2004-22:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: I've been steadily plugging away at my turquoise 1959 Frigidaire washer and tonight got the light working and panel back together. I rebuilt two mulit-matic transmissions (one for spare) and have been interested to see the differences from the unimatic and rollermatic versions.
Here are some pics of the machine...still a few more details to take care of, but it does run!!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/SWIRLAWAY/
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Post# 40317-6/18/2004-22:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: That agitator has the virtually same skirt diameter and fin height as the "Filter Agitator" and performs just as well. Because of the center barrel being larger, some length of the fins is lost, but it doesn't seem to affect turnover or performance.
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Post# 40318-6/18/2004-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: 54 OPM on those early '06 standard capacity machines. Those didn't last very long, once they changed the Power-Fin agitator from the early channeled skirt to the familiar open-bottom barrel, they discontinued those slower-stroke versions. I would like to find a black power-fin (without set screw) to use in my little Pinkie with a 50hz pulley - I'll bet with that smaller tub and faster agitation it would be a really kickin' washer!
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Post# 40319-6/18/2004-22:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Great pictures! It's amazing how far this machine has come; if I'm not mistaken, is this the same machine with the rusted-out inner tub?
--Austin
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Post# 40320-6/18/2004-22:57 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Hi all,
I am seeking advice on a 1956 Whirlpool Imperial.
The machine was just rebuilt by yours truely. It has new center post bearings,and new basket drive,clutch,spin tube,brake and lever.The latter came as an assembly,and might be aftermarket.The problem the machine is having is a knocking sound on spin mode.The knocking goes away,and the machine is whisper quiet if you lift up slightly on the adgitator.I have adjusted this and that,with no good result.Another weird thing is the adgitator doesn't seem to want to spin with the basket very well.I have even tried another transmition.Should the brake drum be adjusted with a "preload" on the four springs? (via the set screw) I am out of ideas,short of than putting a thrust washer under the adgitator drive block. HELP!!
Thank's Rick
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Post# 40321-6/18/2004-22:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire washers of the late 50's and early 60's were some of the most beautiful made.I like this particular model...it reminds me a little of the Kenmore machines from the 60's.Just beautiful.
Keep up the good work Greg.
Pat
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Post# 40322-6/18/2004-23:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: date help?
MESSAGE: picked up a what I think is a '72 or 3 GM Frigidaire "Dishmobile" in avocado, it works fine and could not let it go to the crusher; I will probably part with it in the not to distant future ...... its a DW-CDM (not a "spin-tube" but rather a spray arm with a tower in the middle for the upper rack. The serial is [50FC 3852]. I also found in amazingly great shape a '77 GE Filter flo, so I grabbed that too. UUGGGGHHHH, I am SOOO OUT OF ROOM, its not funny, yet I am laughing.
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Post# 40323-6/18/2004-23:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: hey greg, congrads ............. what a pretty console, all lit up, good for you :)
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Post# 40324-6/19/2004-00:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Since you replaced the center post bearings I would suspect the outer diameter of the spin tube where it contacts the already replaced bearings or the bearing on the inside top of the spin tube. If this was not a new spin tube then it is possible that this bearing is worn. Make sure there is no wear on either the outer spin tube surface or on the transmission shaft where it contacts the inner spin tube bearing. I have had machines that made this knocking noise from either of these problems. To check the outer bearings, reach inside and grab the lip of the top of the tub on opposite sides and try to rock it from side to side feeling for any play. To check the inner bearing, hold the tub securely with one hand and try to move the agitator shaft side to side feeling for play.
As for the agitator not spinning along with the tub someone correct me if I am wrong but the agitator is freewheeling on spin so I think this is normal.I remember rebuilding these having the agitator lag behind a bit but it will probably be ok after everything breaks in.
I don't think this knocking sound is coming form the clutch/brake so I wouldn't try to mess with it. There is no preload adjustment. The brake simply sits on top of the springs and is not adjustable.Do make sure the set screw goes in the hole in the spin tube.
Hope this helps.
Greg
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Post# 40325-6/19/2004-01:01 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: It sounds like the washer may have been assembled from more than one washer since the model# ends in WW-white on white- and your control panel is black, the model# should end in WH. The model # should start WWA not WHA. It sounds more like a 1994 model with the chrome buttons and knobs. The SL in the serial # designates that it was manufactured in September of either 1982 or 1994. Check the motor start relay on the back of the washer at the upper left. It should have a date code that should give you the answer.
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Post# 40326-6/19/2004-02:12 ||| Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Hows it going? I've had two finds today, both Late 70's whirlpools, Both very Rusty, Machine 3, with a seized motor, Machine 4 with a seized Tranny, but with another Magic Clean system.
Neither of them are keepers and they'll be back out on the street. I've stripped one down and will do the other tomorrow.
Have a look at the dirty nasty pics :)
On the upside, I now have a lid, and tomorrow I'll strip it back ready for repsray, unfortunately the lid lable will be lost.
Have a good night guys
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@Machine%20Number%203%20-%20Control%20Panel%20-%201%20Speed%204%20Cycle%20-%205%20WR%20Temps%20-%20Perm%20Press%20-%20Lots%20of%20Rust%20inside%20and%20a%20Seized%20Motor@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40327-6/19/2004-02:32 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Interesting, Apparently the Aussie Whirlpools don't have color coded wiring like they do here in the states. Makes it somewhat more difficult when working on them especially when replacing a timer since you have to mark any wires before removing them or remove and replace one at a time. What a pain. I remember working on old GE's and they also didn't have color coded wiring. Are the wires marked with a letter or number like Maytags?
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Post# 40328-6/19/2004-04:44 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: date help?
MESSAGE: IIRC,Frigidaires from that period used the first number in the serial number for the date. So 50FC 3852 was a 75 model.
kennyGF
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Post# 40329-6/19/2004-05:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Put a penetrating substance where the agitator is splined to the agitator shaft, let it soak, then just keep trying to pul it up. Two people and a lot of wiggling while pullling up often will do the trick.
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Post# 40330-6/19/2004-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: The agitator shaft frewheels during spin. The only reason it spins at all is the friction between the agitator shaft and the basket drive seal. Apparently the friction between the agitator shaft and the basket drive seal is very low.
As for the knocking, there is a little ball the goes in the agitator shaft that often falls out when pulling the gearcase. Things won't operate correctly if it isn't there. Nowk I'm not sure if they were using that little ball back then, though.
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Post# 40331-6/19/2004-06:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (parts WP machines)
MESSAGE: Hmm, a couple of things of note.
The lid is painted and not porcelain like the rest of the top is?
Note the use of numbered wiring instead of color coded wiring. Haven't seen that since a 50's Norge I worked on.
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Post# 40332-6/19/2004-07:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Hi Fixerman, Kenmore1978, Nathan,
It depends which company had the contract to make up the looms. Earlier ones had coloured wires, later ones had letter codes - letter coded were made by CMAPL (Cable Makers of Australia Proprietary Limited).
Simpson used letter codes, Hoover used white wires with coloured tracers (stripes).
The lid is Aluminium with powdercoat. They are prone to peeling.
I'd love to see that lid sticker preserved - you could cover it with masking tape before painting the lid. A panel beater could do it easily, they would have to use the correct (aluminium)primer before spray painting it. I think that little cartoon man (the Malleys man) survived when Email took over, I recall Simpson service ads with him. Electrolux service even now has a very similar but not identical man.
Chris.
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Post# 40333-6/19/2004-07:53 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: thank you Kenny ..... this however is a D&M design correct ? whereas the model # does not start with 587. ??? or did ONLY Sears start their D&M dw's with model # 587. ##### ...........
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Post# 40334-6/19/2004-08:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more pics
MESSAGE: Here are more pics from the day out, plus a bonus from my collection for Louis's enjoyment. (at last)
I do not own the Whirlpool or the GE, I just took photos of them in the second hand shop. (with permission)
Chris.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=12@MW%20dials@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 40335-6/19/2004-08:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: Hey Travelin' Man (my new name for gregm)
GM Frigidaire manufactured their own dishwashers in that time period. WCI bought D&M in the 80's (I beleive). 587 is a Sears source code you will only find on Kenmore branded D&M dishwashers.
The GM dishmobile has a bluish plastisol tub maybe? Also white fixed center tower with a rounded nozzle on the top? Been a while since I have seen one of these.
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Post# 40336-6/19/2004-11:51 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg,
I will check to set screw position. The spin tube is new,as well as all the other related parts.
Rick
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Post# 40337-6/19/2004-12:00 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore 1978,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I thought perhaps you might know about this,since you have many "miles" on your Kenmore and have had it down quite a few times.I have rebuilt two other old belt drives,and have never had this happen before.
I have checked the manual for the 56,and it does show the little ball in the "sump" area of the gearcase.So this ball can fall out of place even if the gearcase is not opened?
If that is the case,must the gearcase be torn down to put the ball back in place? Or can you lift the adgitator shaft up,and the ball fall back in place? (I hope,but I doubt it): Nothing could be that easy could it???
Thank you,
Rick
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Post# 40338-6/19/2004-12:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics, even if you didn't take the machines. Love getting a glimpse of 'em!
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Post# 40339-6/19/2004-12:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris for sharing your pictures, especially the ones of the Philips TL. I noticed that there were some differences between the older model I had and your somewhat newer one. Mine didn't have the dispenser in the lid yet, it was situated in the space in front of the drum. I also noticed that yours has separate delicate and woolens cycle, mine had those integrated. The rest of the inside is still the same though. I loved the possibility of of removing one of the baffles to remove foreign objects that had gotten between the inner and outer drum.
Louis
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Post# 40340-6/19/2004-12:23 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick,
If you have a new gearcase it will have a "T" bearing which is a plastic spacer, if you will, that sits at the bottom of the agitate shaft and beneath the spin pulley. It does have a cutout section for a steel ball that causes the agitate shaft to turn with the tub during spin. I don't think your original tranny would have this plastic spacer. It was used in the 70's when they started using the agitator-mounted softener dispenser. They found that the softener would not disp all the contents because the agitator would not spin fast enough.
As far as the knocking during spin, it is usually the sign of worn bearings either in the centerpost or spin tube, but I know you said all those parts are new.
John
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Post# 40341-6/19/2004-12:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Greg, congratulations, it's wonderful to see that you make progress with this machine. It's my favourite Frigidaire model and not just because I'm into 1959 things!
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Post# 40342-6/19/2004-13:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Aberdeen Gang--1997
MESSAGE: That's John Lefever talking and Robert Stokes (Syndets2000) is doing the filming.
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Post# 40343-6/19/2004-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, congrats on getting that multimatic tranny working, they are a piece of work! No oil leakage between the pulleys I hope. :)
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Post# 40344-6/19/2004-13:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: My vote would be for the missing ball at the very bottom of the agitator shaft. That happened to me once before.
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Post# 40345-6/19/2004-14:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Max Picture Allocation Raised)
MESSAGE: Since you guys are loading lots of great pictures, I raised the maximum allow to 40 pictures from 20 so you can keep going!
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Post# 40346-6/19/2004-14:21 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: The ball kenmore78 was speaking of is not the one inside the gearcase. Yours probably does not have this type unless the transmission was replaced with a newer model one. The older ones like yours had a collar with a set screw and a tee bearing on top of it. The kind kenmore78 is talking about is a plastic one piece tee bearing with a steel ball to locate it in a groove in the tee bearing.Some models in between these had a black plastic one with a double locking clip that fit into a groove in the transmission shaft. It is possible that this tee bearing is the cause of your problem. If yours is the old collar type you can replace it with a new one of the plastic and ball type. The ball fits into the set screw hole in the shaft. It is Part no 350920
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Post# 40347-6/19/2004-14:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Max Picture Allocation Raised)
MESSAGE: YAY!
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Post# 40348-6/19/2004-15:10 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Another thought. Did you grease the bearing surfaces before assembly? A little grease on the bearing Agitator shaft and on the spin tube I find helps. Also, did you use turbine oil between the top seal and the bearing? This may help also
Greg
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Post# 40349-6/19/2004-15:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (parts WP machines (Wiring)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
The Wiring into the control panel is in a wiring block, but they are still marked with letters and numbers in red Ink.
The Lid is only painted, I would say based on the lid label that, that machine is one of the very last manufactured in AU.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40350-6/19/2004-15:45 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Lid Sticker)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris and all that have responded.
The protective plastic coating that goes over the stick was hanging off when we got it, so without the sticker, I'm not sure how well it will last. This is a much later lid label and I find it reasonabley unattractive, the early-mid 70's instructions were much nicer.
In our laundry mounting the lid to swing to the right would make sense, as that would open it up against the taps, rather than over the laundry tub, and hopefully prevent me manageing to break those flimsy plastic hinges. The sticker is orientated to open to the left currently.
I will mask it off I guess and see how I go, if it was the older lid label I would feel much more strongly about keeping it.
I rang the Brisbane Care line Number (The one on the lid) last night. It went through to an answering machine for Spitfire Industries :) No Malleys there :)
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Post# 40351-6/19/2004-15:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all that responded.
I got the agitator out and then the Transmission. Without the right tool to remove the basket, I dont know that the basket drive will be going anywhere soon.
Thanks for your help
Nathan
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Post# 40352-6/19/2004-15:55 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Magic Clean, Tub Movement, Noise at low speed.
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
On the Keeper, I have this annoying problem. There is really fine sediment in the washer, its suspended/floating on top of the water, and each time the machine drains, it deposits itself on the agitator. I cant see how the gunge can be comeing from anywhere, so the best thought I've had so far is just to wash old towels in there until they've caught all the gunk.
Secondly, I've noticed that the washbowl is moving slightly at times, almost like an index, obviously I can only see it during wash and draing, it just moves in little bursts of about an inch or less at a time. Is this a problem with the clutch, or is the basket drive worn? Can the problem be fixed without pulling out the basket drive?
Lastly, In normal speed the machine is quite quiet and smooth, there is some bearing noise from the motor, but otherwise its pretty silent. In drain there is a slightly ragged noise, I'm hoping after I replace the pump that it will go.
However, in Low speed, the machine is quite noisy, its an indescrible sound, its just in addition to the normal running noises. I'm hoping that replacing the motor bearings and pump will resolve this, but is there anything else that can cause the machine to be noisy in low speed, but not in high speed?
Thanks for your help and enthusiasm guys
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40353-6/19/2004-16:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Great Pics, and a Kleenmaid Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
They're great pics, I wish I lived down near you :)
The only place we had really like that, the owner was murdered in and found a month later under a washer :)
The times I was there, he was a nasty old man, he was only interested in selling parts and charging you labour to remove them. He would've had about 100 washer or so in a big paddock.
After he died it was all bulldozed and put in a skip, now its all houses.
In the Pawnbrokers up the road, I saw a Kleenmaid Whirlpool that you were telling us about. Surgilator agitator, but with a funny leprechaun type man on the cap, and an american style lint filter on the front right and an american style upward opening lid. The Filter opens to the top and when you pull it out, its a brush.
The pawnbroker wanted $500AU for it, which seems a bit of a joke. He wasnt very friendly but I might try and take some pics. I dont know that I'll get far though.
Its great to hear from you Chris,
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40354-6/19/2004-16:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: I believe you are correct,it is a Frigidaire built unit.I believe Frigidaire built all their own appliances back then(along with some refrigerators for Wards)
kennyGF
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Post# 40355-6/19/2004-16:17 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Nathan:
It sounds as if appliances hold a lot more value in Oz than they do here- that pawnbroker's washer is priced higher than a cheap new one is in the States.
The conversion for $500 AUD is $340.95 USD. It's possible to buy an cheap DD Admiral washer brand-new for under $300 USD here at stores like Home Depot.
Do you have any idea why appliances are so much more expensive there than here? Just curious!
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Post# 40356-6/19/2004-16:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi,
A whirlpool here, costs about $1000AU, A new Kleenmaid is about $2000AU
Our Budget machines start at about $400 up to $800-$900 AU
Everything in this Pawnbrokers was expensive, A 25yo Simpson dishwasher, very good and reliable, but it isnt worth $125.
A 10yo Fisher and Paykel Fridge, $600. New its only worth about $1500
Australians havent caught onto the concept that in a disposable society, you cant expect a premium for old appliances. The first Whirlpool I bought from the trading post, they wanted $200 for, I ended up paying $80 and thats a 40 yo machine.
I'd say its all been sitting there for a while, and probably will be for a while longer.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40357-6/19/2004-16:54 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 40358-6/19/2004-19:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Found this in the Archives...
MESSAGE: Before my flashlight went out when I was going through the deep, dark, scary Applianceville Archives, I found this...another hidden example of Robert's restoration talent! YAY! See for yourself--I'm not giving away the name...
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RESTORATIONS/Norge/1956%20Norge%20Time%20Line.htm
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Post# 40359-6/19/2004-21:45 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: G E Convertible pics- Westytoploader
MESSAGE: Hey Austin, I was just looking through your photos of the GE convertible.Neat little machine, looks like it would be lots of fun! These photo pages are really great. Thanks for shareing. Don
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Post# 40360-6/19/2004-22:03 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: I just finished cleanup on this today I still need to rebuild the motor as it was just bearly running when I got it. These are fun to work on. Don
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/08@Electrolux%20%20case%20finished.%20Motor%20still%20wating%20for%20attention.@DRMITCH.jpg
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Post# 40361-6/19/2004-22:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Wow, that really cleaned up great! What a beautiful example of this model! I had one of these about 10 years ago; found it at a garage sale for $5. Motor purred nicely and it could pick up literally anything a 5-year-old could find (LOL). When my mom threw it out my heart sank down to my toenails...at least these are easy to find. My favorites are the early models with the skinny bag-door lever and the models with the optional cord reel.
--Austin
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Post# 40362-6/19/2004-22:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil " weight" ?(robert))
MESSAGE: Robert, what was the oil "weight" that you used in your Norge tranny rebuild ??
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Post# 40363-6/19/2004-22:36 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Don:
Nice example, and you've done a terrific job of cleaning it up. It appears to be a late-1940's one, maybe early 1950's. For more info, you can look at the article I did for Jetsetmodern on collectible vacs; a link is below. If you want even more detail, the bottom of the article has a link to Charlie Lester's Electrolux pages. Charlie is one of the best-versed collectors I know.
If you have any trouble getting rebuild parts, I know a guy in California who specialises in older Electrolux parts; he sells on eBay under the name dickandkitty. Very reliable guy- I can provide you with an email address if you need it. Dealing with Electrolux itself (by which I mean the new company, which has been renamed Aerus) is getting a little weird for older machines. They aren't real enthusiastic about keeping old machines running, and it shows.
Again, nice find, and looks great already.
LINK: http://www.jetsetmodern.com/vacuum.htm
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Post# 40364-6/19/2004-23:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready...
MESSAGE: Because Hey, Remember! Washing Machines/Detergents is on tomorrow! If you missed the last showing be sure to catch this one! 11:30 PM ET/10:30 PM CT.
--Austin
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Post# 40365-6/20/2004-00:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil )
MESSAGE: I have no idea Greg, I ordered factory Norge oil as it was still available.
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Post# 40366-6/20/2004-00:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Well the Apex Dish-A-Matic is now operational and its washed its first load of dishes in my house. The hot water heating tank still needs to be restored and I'm afraid it might be full of rust on the inside, so for now I just bypassed it and hooked the water like directly to my 145 deg hot water house line.
After working on the water valve, I picked up my new piece of wonderful glass at the hardware store and all I can say is WOW...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=17@Impeller%20and%20Base%20Reinstalled%20and%20Ready%20for%20Action@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40367-6/20/2004-01:17 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Today we saw a couple of Blackstone design Hoovers in pretty bad condition and the pic of the day and Norge Semi Auto.
I wasnt allowed to bring home, it appears he's partial to Whirlpools, but there'd have to be good reason otherwise, so unfortunately this will go to the crusher.
The top and lid are porcelin enamel and in very good condition under the dirt.
The Numbers for the cycle guide line up with timings on the Timer (Little Knob) and depending on the time you choose it seems to fill with a different temperature water and have a different wash time.
The big knob on the right is the cycle knob, Labeled Spin, Wash and Heat.
To operate you'd choose for instance Number 3, Cotton and Linen Hot wash, Cold Rinse.
You would turn the timer to Number 3 at the 10 oclock position, Turn the Dial to Wash, and Pull the knob out.
The Machine would fill with water, wash for 10 minutes and then stop.
You would push the big knob in, turn it around to Spin, set the timer to the suggested time of 6 minutes and pull the knob out.
Machine would spin drain and continue to spin for 6 minutes before stopping.
Push the knob in, set the timer for 3 minutes. (You could could set it to 1, 2,4,5 to do a warm rinse) Turn the knob to wash and pull it out.
So on and So on and So on :)
The lint filter and bleach dispenser are mounted on the agitator, you line the arrows up on the bleach dispenser with must seal the container, and fill it up. I'm guessing once the agitator starts moving the little hole in the bottom opens and the bleach runs through the lint filter into the water.
Its quite an impressive machine, if only I could bring it home. But he's been very good about the curbside pickup, so I'm being gratefull.
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=16@Norge%20'Spinomatic'%20Semi%20Automatic%20Washer@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40368-6/20/2004-01:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Wouldn't the middle insert for the upper rack be for placing a few more items in that space?
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Post# 40369-6/20/2004-04:37 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: One of the interesting things about it was hidden amongst the grime was the word Pope a forgotten manufacturer that merged later with Simpson. Did Norge have some input into subsequent Simpson designs?
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Post# 40370-6/20/2004-04:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: I can only second that! WOW!!!
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Post# 40371-6/20/2004-04:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. I'm sorry that it has to go to the crusher.
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Post# 40372-6/20/2004-05:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Norge POD
MESSAGE: So Norge had the No Tumble option way back then. What year are these?
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Post# 40373-6/20/2004-05:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (little ball)
MESSAGE: That little ball isn't in the gearcase, it's in a hole in the agitator shaft above the gearcase IF your model uses it. Might not have been used back then.
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Post# 40374-6/20/2004-05:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: That little ball still doesn't totally lock the agitator to the spin tube, you can still hold the agitator still while spinning. My repair manual says that if the ball isn't there, the machine won't spin properly, and they're right, mine fell out once during re-assembly and I didn't notice it, and sure enough, it wouldn't spin properly.
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Post# 40375-6/20/2004-05:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (basket removal)
MESSAGE: It's nice if you have the actual tool, but the ring that holds the basket to the spin tube CAN be loosend with a large screwdriver and a hammer. Again, you want to soak it with penetrating solution first.
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Post# 40376-6/20/2004-05:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Pictures from the Miele museum
MESSAGE: A poster on the Laundry Room Forum went to Germany for a visit to Miele. He took some nice pictures in the factory and also in the museum. Miele did not only make white goods in the past...
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0608581723862.html?4
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Post# 40377-6/20/2004-05:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Australian prices)
MESSAGE: Doesn't seem TOO out of line price-wise
$400 AUD=$272.76 USD
$800 AUD=$545.52 USD
$900 AUD=$613.71 USD
$1000 AUD=$681.89 USD
$2000 AUD=$1363.78 USD
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Post# 40378-6/20/2004-06:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (Norge restoration)
MESSAGE: VERY interesting! I love seeing how the engineers came up with totally different ways to accomplish the same actions in automatic washers
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Post# 40379-6/20/2004-06:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! ('49 water valve)
MESSAGE: What's that part of the valve below with the nut on it?
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Post# 40380-6/20/2004-06:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (round insert)
MESSAGE: I would imagine the round rack insert is just so the space that would normally be wasted in order to access the lower rack is utilized for more dishes
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Post# 40381-6/20/2004-06:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: So how complete is your set of "Blue Heaven" dishes? :-)
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Post# 40382-6/20/2004-07:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready... (Question on Washing Machines/Detergent TV Show)
MESSAGE: On which network does this air? Or cable channel? Thank you, Steve
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Post# 40383-6/20/2004-08:31 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (wow is right)
MESSAGE: GREAT photos, very cool !!!!, thanks for sharing ...
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Post# 40384-6/20/2004-08:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
I don't remember what the basket drive is like but I do know I have had it out and didn't need any special tools. Isn't it a big nut around a flange that contracts when tightened?? I just used a small stillson (monkey wrench to Americans??) around the nut. It was tricky finding a stillson short enough to fit in the bowl but with wide enough opening jaws. But from memory I did find one.
These machines appear frighteningly complicated at first but when you get into it they are beautifully logical and easy to work on. The basket twitching you mentioned could be caused by friction between the agitator shaft and spin tube (bad or gunked up bearings), or the spin clutch being out of adjustment. If you look at the wig wag, it moves a metal arm in/out to select spin. That arm lifts a clutch fork, which lifts the clutch. The other end of the clutch fork sits on a stud, which adjusts for height. You loosen the locknut, then screw the stud up/down to adjust the clutch, then retighten the locknut. Too far one way and it won't spin, too far the other and the clutch won't release properly, making it drag, basket move a bit or even spin during wash.
Chris.
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Post# 40385-6/20/2004-08:54 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Wow, wow, and double wow)
MESSAGE: R, how did you keep the (plexi)glass top from blowing off?
I love those impellars!!! Do you suppose spray arms evolved to simplify recirculation/filtration? I sure wish I could be your next door neighbor for about three summers in a row!!!!
darrel
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Post# 40386-6/20/2004-08:58 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: can't find your 3683932227 did you not list after all?
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Post# 40387-6/20/2004-09:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
Funny, just reently I was daydreaming about what washers I would still pick up. I have a garage full of machines, many of doubtful merit so I would only now pick up washers of real interest. I would grab another Keymatic only if it had a motor, a Kelvinator with centric agitator, a Simpson Fluid Drive, an immaculate Hoover 500 series, and a Pope/Norge.
I have used a full auto version of that Pope/Norge, it was at a caravan park when my two sisters and I did a 5 day trip around Victoria in Mum's car - no parents invited. I would have been about 15. One place had one of those Lightburn Jumbo Twins with the cement mixer style wash bowl. Another had a Pope Norge auto, it was not a commercial machine, just a regular one with a coin-in-the-slot power point on the wall. It had an amazing tub brake - lift the lid and it stopped instantly with a loud bang! I have never seen anything like it since. The tub would have gone from full steam ahead to stopped dead in about one or at worst two seconds. I would love to get my hands on one of those!!
Chris.
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Post# 40388-6/20/2004-09:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready... (Question on Washing Machines/Detergent TV Show)
MESSAGE: It airs on HGTV; Ch. 229 on my DirectTV system but it could be different.
--Austin
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Post# 40389-6/20/2004-09:54 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Very cool machine,amazing with the glass top!With all that action I can see how this machine can clean pans! Most older dishwasher did not do pots and pans,or did they?
Rick
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Post# 40390-6/20/2004-09:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Nothing short of amazing how your Apex has turned out! Very beautiful work Robert, and WOW, can it clean! How high does it have to fill for the impeller to work effectively and give a good, strong spray?
Considering the viewing glass goes under the lid, the Apex was made before manufacturers equipped DW's with lid latches...
--Austin
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Post# 40391-6/20/2004-10:26 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: I finally got the 1956 WP to operate correctly.I tore down the gearbox,and everything looked fine.Even the oil looked ok.The little ball was down in the sump,and a small metal disk about the size of a dime was on top the ball.This is how the service manual shows it is to be on this model.I made a new gasket,cleaned and refilled the crankcase with hypoy C 80-90 oil,and used a stronger spring for the adgitator shaft.As I put the gearcase back in the machine,I saw what my problem was.When I tore the machine down a few weeks ago,I put the small brake lever spring on the shaft for safekeeping.When I put the machine back together I put the brake lever ON TOP of the spring.The spring belongs ON TOP of the brake lever. I feel SO STUPID!!
A BIG thanks to all of you that tried to help me out!! I REALLY appricate your input.The machine works great,and it's wagging it's wig wag!!(so am I)A very cool machine! It has a total of eight lights in it,and I've added a recirculating lint filter to it also.Even though that filter did not come out until the next year,this machine was begging for one!!
One thing that is missing yet.A link from the timer to the control knob.It was missing when I got the machine.If anyone has one of these,I would gladly purchase it from you.Please let me know.
I did two big loads of wash in it last night.Again,many thanks to all of you.I will try to get some photos to post this week.
Keep Washin'(:
Rick
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Post# 40392-6/20/2004-10:32 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (couple of questions)
MESSAGE: Robert, this is so cool and so much fun. I thought your coffee pot might go for a ride, but it all seemed fine! O.k., this may have been covered before, where does the detergent go? What is the cycle sequence?
Regards.......Leslie
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Post# 40393-6/20/2004-11:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I had an Uncle who built a few subdivisions in the Coral Gables area of Miami back in the mid-fifties. He and his family occupied a really cool fifties style home there. The dishwasher they had was like a huge drawer. You just took your hand to unlatch it just like todays FL dishwashers, except this one pulled completely out of the cabinetry, very smoothly like on bearings. I remember it was a Westinghouse, it had an impeller, and was dual rack. Had a tiny little screen cup to put detergent in. On the front panel at the bottom, right in the middle, was a cycle knob. It was a half-crescent horizontaly so half of it disapeared behind the panel as it moved, but was different pastel colors depending on the cycle. All the homes he built had these, as well as massive Philco-Bendix WD Combos. I remember twisting a knob right in the center of the little window on the door to open the door. Does anyone remember those old Westinghouses?
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Post# 40394-6/20/2004-12:14 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: Just saw this.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12514&item=6102984461&rd=1
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Post# 40395-6/20/2004-12:57 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: That is a WOW! I haven't seen one of those since my dad picked one up about 20 years ago,from a trade in pile. I remember it was HUGE! Ended up taking it to an auction,'cause it was too big for practicality,and no one wanted it.
kennyGF
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Post# 40396-6/20/2004-14:21 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: Hello rickr,Would this be the machine that Gregm used to own?I am looking forward to your pics.I ask the question because i remember he was having a problem with the timer on his 56 WP Imp.That is such a gorgous machine,...many happy washings (:
Pat
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Post# 40397-6/20/2004-15:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM
MESSAGE: I took outside the WCD-65 today and of course whether in agitate or spin the motor just hums and nothing else, however if you grab the tub and spin counterclockwise, it does start to agitate AND it will agitate in the agitate portion BUT it will also agitate in the spin portion. As some or many of you know on both the rollermatics and later 1/18's the motor turns one direction, engages one roller and forces agitation while pulling the other (spin) roller away from spin.....and of course vice versa during spin when the motor reverses. Well aside from what appears to be a corroded "capacitor?" attached to the back access panel, I assume I need to replace that and if so HOW and with WHAT ? (obviously another capacitor-maybe from "RADIO SHACK??") Secondly, after a couple observations of grabbing the tub and spinning to get it agitating in either the "agitation" portion of the cycle or "spin" portion of the cycle, AND realizing that the agitate roller kept engaging and the spin roller not; I realized that the motor was/is NOT reversing and constantly turning in the same direction. So is this a bad capacitor ? motor ? timer issue ? The fact that the motor just hums and does not have enough "juice" to start anything in the first place led me to believe that maybe the capacitor or start windings on the motor themselves or bad ?? then I thought that the timer might not be telling the motor to reverse ? I think once I fix this issue and replace the spin roller which seems a tad damaged the machine will run fine. OH ! and the spring attached to both rollers is intact and seems fine, does that weaken with age ? --thanks in advance for any feedback
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Post# 40398-6/20/2004-15:14 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: congrads rickr on 56wp up and running
MESSAGE: Hats off to you Rick for getting that baby going along with some great knowledge/advice from a few other helpful members. Better you than me. Again, I should at least know whether or not I have that "timer extension" piece by next weekend. I still curse MTS for losing that along with the rude women who work the phones.
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Post# 40399-6/20/2004-15:16 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I think Chris in St. Louis has one of these that your talking about and he completely restored it. It had dead mice in it and it was NASTY. He did an AMAZING job restoring it and it looks like new.
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Post# 40400-6/20/2004-15:20 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto (So Would I :))
MESSAGE: So would I chris, especially after looking at Uni's restoration pics of the Timeline :)
I couldnt get over how good the enamel was on top and on the Bowl. No rust anywhere, unlike the occaisional spot on the newer whirlpool.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40401-6/20/2004-15:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: The Food-A-Rama is one of the earliest examples of a side-by-side refrigerator/freezer I've seen. The seller is right--"The '57 Chevy of the kitchen!"
--Austin
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Post# 40402-6/20/2004-15:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (Basket Drive)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
I've copied down your instructions for me to explore later this week, thanks for your suggestion.
Its perfectly quiet on high speed in the Wash, Drain, Spin, so maybe the clutch just needs adjustment. I'll give it ago after my exams on Wednesday that I havent studied enough for :)
I'm hoping that motor bearings will cure the noise on low speed.
Thanks in advance for suggestion.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40403-6/20/2004-16:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: Maybe he's pulling our legs...
--Austin
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Post# 40404-6/20/2004-16:26 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Unusual Coin-Ops.
MESSAGE: Since I was describing the old Westy TL Dishwasher in an earlier post, another old memory came to mind. My Grandmother owned a small (screaming 40's deco) apartment complex in Miami in the 50's and there was a laundy room at the end of each wing. No dryers, clothes-lines just outside the door. Inside were two Apex Washers. At that time I was too young to know of their significance, but they had large glass windows in the lids and I remember watching them splash away! Seems like the tubs were plastic turquoise and had a type of sculpting in the bottom. It seemed as though they kicked all the water out of the tub in the first few minutes of agitation! My next coin op memory I have recently shared with Unimatic. I had a friend who lived in an old brownstone apartment complex here in Atlanta in the late 60's. In the basement was a laundry room. There were two large commercial dryers and four Philco "Blades o' Water" type top loaders. Each one of these did not have the usual center post I was used to but had a black plastic (Appox. 1 in. Dia.) pole sticking up from the rotating rubber disk. They appeared to have been made that way as they fit perfectly. They looked like broomsticks!!!!! Very weird. Has anyone seen any of the types of machines before? Please share!
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Post# 40405-6/20/2004-17:18 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I do remember these, as well as the later model Westy's that had nothing but the latch showing. No timer knob, nothing. Just a solid front of 'coppertone'.
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Post# 40406-6/20/2004-17:26 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops. (Apex and Philco)
MESSAGE: The Apex Bouncing Basket machines that you describe are among the Holy Grail of vintage washer collecting.
The Philco Blades of Water (or Automagic, or High Frequency Washing Action, among other descriptions/trademarks) are also unique and highly-sought machines. Unimatic1140/Robert and Gansky1/Greg have them.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/see_it_wash.htm
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Post# 40407-6/20/2004-18:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops. (Apex and Philco)
MESSAGE: Highly unlikely considering the climate, but maybe us Texans will find another Philco or even an Apex...
When did production stop on Apex automatics? Some of them in the "Wanted" page look ahead of their time.
--Austin
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Post# 40408-6/20/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Interesting Variation of an ABC-O-Matic...
MESSAGE: ABC-O-Matic Brochure from the 40's or 50's, but what's interesting here is that this machine looks portable; it has a smaller footprint than other machines I've seen.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822880969
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Post# 40409-6/20/2004-18:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Another BD Whirlpool on eBay!
MESSAGE: Typical 80's BD Whirlpool, but this time it's a standard-capacity machine with a small-base Surgilator and recirculating bed-of-nails filter. $25. Looks & works great!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3823044443&rd=1
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Post# 40410-6/20/2004-18:41 ||| gaygreek (Cambridge, MA)
SUBJECT: Happy Gay Pride Month
MESSAGE: Hi folks,
Happy Gay Pride Month to all gay, straight, bi, trans, etc. etc. from Boston.
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Post# 40411-6/20/2004-18:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month
MESSAGE: I hope I don't sound offensive to any members here, but this message isn't exactly appliance-related, unless someone discusses their boyfriend's appliance preferences...
--Austin
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Post# 40412-6/20/2004-19:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Only the older BD machines had the adjusting nut. Later machines used shims (washers) that you had to add or subtract from to get the adjustment right.
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Post# 40413-6/20/2004-19:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (impeller vs spray arms)
MESSAGE: Spray arms were friendlier to random loading of the dishes, and eliminated the "mangled flatware/chewed up metal or chipped bakelite impeller" syndrome.
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Post# 40414-6/20/2004-19:21 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Further Info Kenmore,
After wednesday, I'll have a look and see which it is. My machine is about 1970 or so, I guess thast in the middle of old and new.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40415-6/20/2004-19:25 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire gas ranges
MESSAGE: Were the first Frigidaire gas ranges produced after the WCI merge? I don't recall ever seeing a Frigidaire gas range in the GM era.
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Post# 40416-6/20/2004-19:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto (BANG!)
MESSAGE: That BANG! tub brake is a Norge "trademark"
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Post# 40417-6/20/2004-19:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Pots and pans)
MESSAGE: Then, as now, depends on just how "crusty" the pot or pan is whether or not it gets clean. Often I put a pot or pan in the dishwasher KNOWING it won't come completely clean, but it at least takes all the grease and gook out and makes the final touchup cleaning much easier.
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Post# 40418-6/20/2004-19:42 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: Appliances, that is!!!! Aside from that horrible love that dare not speak it's name, alas, I think amescollector.com may have been pulling our leg(s)! I did enter the site and came up with an extensive midcentury collectibles commercial enterprise. He has a retail store in the Marin County town of San Anselmo, north of Bagdad by the Bay, as Herb Caen used to refer to San Francisco. I will venture due south west, a three hour drive or so to view the store and it's contents. If I find no ready evidence of a rare glass top James Dishwasher, I will simply ball pene hammer all of their Wakefield and Russel Wright!!!!!!!!
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Post# 40419-6/20/2004-19:50 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: The relay part no. is 9430. That, plus what everyone is saying pretty much says 1994. Sad it's not older. But this is the Last Year for Filter-Flo, so that's worth something. This basic model was made since 1962.
1995 and newer GE washers, except the brand new Harmony, are bad, worse than most others. Pure plastic. The spin brake is part of the transmission, and goes bad frequently.
I have the Filter-Flo draining into a wash tub, and the filth and sand removed is unbelievable. Also, I always use the second rinse, and now I can really see how much it is needed to really remove the suds from clothing.
Long live the Filter-Flo. Oh, yes, it collects huge quantities of dog hair, and it's not going down my old drains.
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Post# 40420-6/20/2004-19:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (Agreed)
MESSAGE: Agreed
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Post# 40421-6/20/2004-19:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! ('49 water valve)
MESSAGE: I'm not exactly sure what that round nut below the valve is for, I haven't seen one like it. But since it works otherwise no need to disturb it.
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Post# 40422-6/20/2004-19:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Wow, wow, and double wow)
MESSAGE: Hi Darrel, my new glass insert isn't plexiglas its real live 1/4 inch cut glass so its real heavy, with plexiglas the power of that water force would have thrown it upwards. It's so heavy that I need a suction cup to remove it!
Spray arms evolved because the probably clean better and less broken impellers as well as filtration systems.
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Post# 40423-6/20/2004-20:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: They can do pots and pans but you were not suppose to let them sit and let the food dry in them. You were suppose to put them right in the dishwasher and start it as you were putting the food into serving dishes.
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Post# 40424-6/20/2004-20:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: That's great Rick, I've made many mistakes like that myself. Including the time I left out the little disk that goes above the ball deep in the sump of the tranny. The washer was very loud during spin and the agitator would not spin at all unless it was being carried by some clothes extending out and touching it.
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Post# 40425-6/20/2004-20:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: A member in Florida found a vintage Westy DW like you describe mint, new in box...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/FUN/MIB_Westy_DW.jpg
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Post# 40426-6/20/2004-20:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops.
MESSAGE: Yes, the washer you described was exactly and Apex. My ultimate challenge is to find a Apex Bouncing Basket washer, maybe finding the dishwasher is a good omen. The Apex and Philco coin-ops sound VERY COOL to say the least.
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Post# 40427-6/20/2004-20:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Variation of an ABC-O-Matic...
MESSAGE: That's the ABC Rinser-Wringer Washer, its not an automatic. See the July 1950 Consumer Reports issue from the Vintage Consumer Article Library for more info on this machine.
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Post# 40428-6/20/2004-20:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire gas ranges
MESSAGE: I know that WCI bought Tappan (maybe in the 80's) but still marketed under the Tappan name for quite a while. I don't recall a Frigidaire gas range until the 90's (Tappan style).
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Post# 40429-6/20/2004-20:19 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Has anybody ever seen one of these electric ranges in person? I have a repair-master on electric ranges from the 70's and I believe it was the first all touchpad electronic range. But what I can't remember was if it was a glasstop and how were the surface units controlled; dial or touchpad. Going to have to dig that repair-master out & see!
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Post# 40430-6/20/2004-20:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: It's so sad what GE has become today, with the exception of the Harmony (if Uni owns one, it has to be the best modern GE out there). The spin brake on our 1996 "plastic GE" gave out after only 2 years, causing the tub to spin, more or less "index" during agitation. Now that's quality right there! LOL :)
A late Filter-Flo machine I saw on eBay was from 1995 (and had the white control panel/dials as well which signified the future change to the plastic GE), but I'm not positive on this notion.
--Austin
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Post# 40431-6/20/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: I ran into a XXX from a referall from the local vac shop.He gave the person my phone# and I enthusatically responded to her.I bought the machine from her-she had just bought the last of the Royal metal classic canister vacs.The store she bought the Royal from didn't want it as a trade in. It was lucky for me.She commented that she used the machine as a girl.It had all of its attachments and the "tools on board" holder that rode on tope of the machine. I inspected the motor and it was prestine.Didn't need any work.The vac didn't have the cord reel.I also have an LX model-bought it at the swap shop I typically get washers from.Was only 15 bucks. The motor in it too was prestine.The bag ejector mechanism was corroded out-unfortunate.It didn't have any attachments or hose.Hoping I can get some of those older classics as trade ins toward Tri Stars.
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Post# 40432-6/20/2004-20:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: You should definitely smash something! Duping appliance collectors who are desperate for a mint-condition James dishwasher is sad.
--Austin
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Post# 40433-6/20/2004-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil )
MESSAGE: Is the "tranny oil" used in washer transmissions similar to "gear oil" used in the gearboxes of gearmotors? We have this type of oil out here where I work.Use it in the gearboxes of the transmitter tune motors.It is a very heavyweight oil.Almost like thinned grease.
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Post# 40434-6/20/2004-20:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Another alert for Hey, Remember!
MESSAGE: Washing machines/Detergents starring Greg (gansky1) shows at 10:30 CT (11:30 ET) tonight on HGTV (Ch. 229 on my DirecTV, should be the same on all others)! You can't miss this one!
--Austin
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Post# 40435-6/20/2004-20:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil/grease in gearboxes)
MESSAGE: Some gearboxes I've taken apart have an "Axle Grease" type material in them. How this compares to oil is beyond me...
--Austin
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Post# 40436-6/20/2004-20:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: You need to look up the website www.ssiworld.com-they show short film clips of their krusher-shredders grinding up various things.Maybe you'll feel better.
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Post# 40437-6/20/2004-20:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: All with a "thimble" of water...very cool, thanks for the journey through the process of bringing it back to life - the pictures made it look soooo easy! ;-)
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Post# 40438-6/20/2004-20:38 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM
MESSAGE: Hey Travelin' Man,
If the motor just hums and will not start and has a capacitor in the circuit the capacitor could be bad. They usually have a microfarad rating printed on them (ie 189-227 MFD) I imagine it is a start capacitor rather than a run capacitor. Does it look like a small round bakelite canister? Usually they can be tested but the best way is to just replace- they aren't expensive. I would try that first before thinking about the timer. Can you push the tub in the opposite direction to make it spin?
John
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Post# 40439-6/20/2004-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Just like the one I ran into.I liked the polished metal attachments.Even use them with some of my other vacs!The cansister unit on mine needed wiping down.
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Post# 40440-6/20/2004-20:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: Uni, your photos surprised me since the Apex (and Youngstown) DW was rated "Not Acceptable" in the 1952 test of automatic dishwashers. CR's problem probably was that they let the food "sit" instead of loading them up with plates right after they were eaten from. How does the "spin-tube" perform with pots & pans, providing you run it through more than one wash cycle?
--Austin
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Post# 40441-6/20/2004-20:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: This is very cool - thanks for the pictures, keep up the fun!
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Post# 40442-6/20/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: That is interesting-the prices of "previously enjoyed" machines is much higher over there.In my area the prices of used washers is usually under $150.The store operators say-the older it is the cheaper it is--They don't generally deal with machines over 30yrs old-They send them to the landfill.I've asked them to keep the old machines and call me if they get any more.Also "pawnshops" here don't deal with washers or other white goods-only things like guns,jewelery,hi-fi and video equipment and musical instruments,sometimes high end vacuum cleaners.I did buy an old pair of Altec speakers from one of the pawnshops here.Great sound for a bargain.I would like to ask the same question if you see this entry-why are your used white goods so expensive?
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Post# 40443-6/20/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Wow - you've done a beautiful job on this cleaner, I should get to work on mine...or plop it on ebay! ;-)
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Post# 40444-6/20/2004-21:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Another alert for Hey, Remember! (Hey Remember!)
MESSAGE: 11:30PM Pacific Time
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Post# 40445-6/20/2004-21:10 ||| coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: Hey just seen this item on ebay. Thought you might like to know. It is so cool.
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Post# 40446-6/20/2004-21:29 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac
Second hand shops over here tend to steer away from washers over about 20 years old. Parts for most of these are still available, and they'll normally do a quick repair put a shockingly bad coat of paint on it and resell for $200-$250
I think in Australia, we havent yet become as accustomed to the disposable society as Americans are.
I come from a country family from a middle/lower end financial bracket. When mums old washing machine died, I had a challenge convincing her to spend $1000 on a Whirlpool, when she could buy something cheaper new for $500-600.
Australians still have this price limit between affordable and Expensive, and its at about $500-800. Anything over this is "Too Much" anything under this, is a good deal, anything really cheap, must have something wrong with it.
I know I've rambled a bit, I'll try and summarise.
1) Price is important, $300-$800 is optimal Range
2) Things last for ever (apparantly) so $350 is a good deal on something that new costs $800. (Remember in my Kleenmaid example, new is worth $2000 so $500 is cheap)
3) A lot of people just assume that $400 for a second hand machine is a good deal, even if they save only $300 on new.
4) In my childhood every dollar counted, so a couple of hundred dollars is important.
5) Because as little as $200 is important, they can charge exorbitant prices (Second Hand) and stuff still sells.
I hope this helps somewhat, In Short $200 makes a big difference
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40447-6/20/2004-21:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: eBay James DW
MESSAGE: Here it is! A large capacity 1950's James Automatic Dishwasher with "Sweep-Flow" washing action! This machine appears to be a different model than the one Robert found at an estate sale; maybe a little larger. Seller states that it runs but he hasn't put it through a full cycle yet. Great for any 50's--60's modernist kitchen or collection (if you can handle the high price)! VERY RARE, SO THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST ONE YOU SEE ON EBAY!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3683932227&rd=1
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Post# 40448-6/20/2004-21:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values Kath and Kym)
MESSAGE: PS,
There was an Australian Comedy made in the last couple of years, and one scene still highlights the australian dream, for most of the lower classes. While ripping them off very well. I do question whether the Kaths and Kims of Australia get this humour :)
Kim - I want to be effluent(sic) Mum
Kath - You are Effluent(sic), You've got a Hyundai Excel (Cheap Car) to Hightail it around in, a Mobile Phone, A DVD Player and a Half share in a home unit. What more do you want.
LOL
Nathan
LINK: http://www.abc.net.au/kathandkim/
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Post# 40449-6/20/2004-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers (Barely washed pre rinsed dishes let alone pots/pans)
MESSAGE: Yes, only too well. 3 fills wash, rinse, rinse. Machine wouldn't proceed until water had been heated to 140 degrees. Just sent the orginal operating manual to a buddy of mine in Florida. Regardless of how loaded even empty lower rack not satisfactory at successfully washing glasses, silver or anything in top rack. Like that of all vintage DW (impellor, single arm and turbo spin tube) of 50-60's. At least Westy drawer heated water. Most homes didn't understand and/or have hot water temp high enough, main wash too quick and DW detergents were poor. That in conjunction with not understanding how to load regardless. Early GE, Frigidaire, Westy and KA instructed to "soak" briefly cookware in hot water to loosen soil.
Early 60's KA Superba had idiotic Utility & Utensil cycle. Same a Full cycle less dry time. As not to "bake on" what it didn't get clean. So hand scraping was easier and then to place pots in DW again for Full cycle per operating manual. Go figure? Idea being machine wash cookware while eating dinner. Providing dinning room was very far away. Honey, these old behemoths were loud. Very misleading. Cookware could be emptied of contents prepared, loaded in whatever vintage DW and immediately washed without success. The advertised ability in washing cookware was completely misleading regardless.
I am old enough to remember this. Advent of multiple wash arms, better detergents, understanding of hot water supply and extended wash cycles was the answer in the 70's to successfully washing pots. Those old DW were better than having no dishwasher. I will say that.
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Post# 40450-6/20/2004-21:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers (Barely washed pre rinsed dishes let alone pots/pans)
MESSAGE: Just read the 1952 CR Article where they tested automatic dishwashers. Short wash cycles and only 1 rinse on a few machines lead to poor performance overall.
--Austin
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Post# 40451-6/20/2004-21:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (Holiday Wishes)
MESSAGE: Happy Pride month to you and Applianceville too! It's always nice when the group gets holiday wishes. Maybe someday we can have an Applianceville float in the parade, I see lots of bubbles :)
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Post# 40452-6/20/2004-22:19 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (load like I did, however...)
MESSAGE: Robert you are a better man than me when it comes to relentless effort in restoring.
That said you load like I do. However, yes skillet and dishes came out clean. Inlet water temp at 140 dropped to 100 understandably. That is a given. By the way round insert was for small glasses and a prayer not to be shattered. Back then folks used small juice/cocktail glasses. Not like super sized today....
So tell me about the cleanliness of items loaded above skillet, bowls and glass pyrex baking dish? Also soil level of silverware and just how clean at end of cycle? Pre rinsed coffee mugs can be mistaken for having been successfully washed.
This website is 99.44% about the vintage clothes washer. My second passion in life(front loaders). Having said that. The DW is my sacred cow. I have forgotten my name, address and to eat a hot meal. I may not know exact model #s which I sooo appreciate members knowledge. However, when it comes to the DW since its conception I know far more than "jack shit".
Only first Hotpoints late 40's instructed loading bottom rack with cookware leaving top rack empty. I used this kowledge loading only top rack of "turbo spin tubes and bottom rack of GE impellor" and damnable KA bottom rack only for pots separate operation in 50-60's. Knowing full well not to expect too much.
Thank you sooo very much for your efforts/pictures. Absolutely fascinating!!! Yes, I am jealous in the best of ways. Load it again exactly like B 4 and place one of soiled plates in top rack above skillet etc. and get back to me? Thanks. Don't bother I already know results. Sweet dreams...
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Post# 40453-6/20/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: Austin, go back and read that article again, the Apex was not rated “Not Acceptable“, but it was rated “Poor“. Those dishes I washed last night with dried on red spaghetti sauce had been sitting for probably 72 hours before they were washed in the Apex and they came out sparkling. With that said I certainly don’t expect it to perform well with pots and pans, what I was surprised at is how well it managed to get the heavy spray up to the upper rack even with a glass Pyrex pan and frying pan in the bottom rack.
With my ‘56 spray tube Frigidaire I never have to run it with more than one cycle, dishes and glasses come out wonderful every time. It does do a fine job with pots and pans, if I make sure nothing is sticking to them. But it is a real luxury now to have two dishwashers in the kitchen. I can wash the glasses, mugs, dishes, mixing bowls, silverware and coffee pots in the vintage dishwasher every few days with its 20 minute cycle and once a week or so I run the modern dw to wash the posts, pans with its 2.5 hour cycle. What’s nice about using the vintage dw for the tableware is that it is not subjected to the intense washing that a modern dishwasher gives, it is way overkill and totally unnecessary for the dishes, especially vintage 50’s dishes that should be handled with more care. I’m sorry but my personal expeience with vintage dishwashers has shown me that they clean much better than many of you remember. I can say this because I’m not going by a 30 year old memory I’m going by my current experience. I have them hooked up and I use them and I only scrape the dishes and make sure no large chunks of food are left. With that said dishwasher detergent has improved dramatically over the years, I wonder how a chemical formula of vintage dishwasher detergent would perform in a modern dishwasher???
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Post# 40454-6/20/2004-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay James DW
MESSAGE: Very cool, another James dishwasher, how fun! I sure do hope it goes to a nice home in Applianceville. They made two models this one was the lower end model without the water heater. There is no such thing as a "Large Capacity James". The machine I have is very similar, but has a water heater and a second knob to select the 180 degree final rinse. No matter though, its a wonderful machine to have, I would expect that it needs some work, just because the machine turns on doesn't mean it works properly or doesn't leak. As everyone saw with the pictures of the Dish-A-Matic, anything can be restored back to its original operational condition.
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Post# 40455-6/20/2004-22:39 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Great pics of the Apex. When I saw them, I wondered- how long have you been washing your Blue Heaven dinnerware in the dishwasher, and how well has it held up?
Blue Heaven is one of several collectible patterns from Royal China, and its glaze can craze sometimes. I own some Star Glow (same body and glaze as Blue Heaven, with a design of gold 'stars' that look more like snowflakes). I've had a couple of pieces get glaze cracks in a modern DW, however I realise that vintage DW's are a different animal.
Just wondering if you've had any of the Royal China problems that collectors dread. I've taken to washing my Star Glow by hand, since it's the rare first version from 1961, on the Futura shape, with the HTF white coffee cups with gold stars on them, not the later solid mustard-gold cups.
Maybe I should set my sights on an older DW?
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Post# 40456-6/20/2004-22:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (load like I did, however...)
MESSAGE: Hi Partycycle, I do not prerinse anything, except for pots and pans. The glasses and mugs were clean and smelled clean above the skillet and baking dish, I was surprise to see as much water hitting the glass above them as it did. The silverware was all spotless too.
Load it again exactly like B 4 and place one of soiled plates in top rack above skillet etc. and get back to me?
Can't be done, a dish wouldn't fit in the top rack. :)
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Post# 40457-6/20/2004-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: I don't know they seem like there in fine shape, what happens with the glaze on a dish crazes? I've been washing them in the DW ever since I got them, I've picked up pieces here and there a estate sales, I must have 20 dishes now.
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Post# 40458-6/20/2004-22:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Wringers...
MESSAGE: I just finished watching the Washing Machines segment on Hey, Remember! with all of those neat machines (I wonder whose collection that is ;-). That Westy Laundromat sure is something; that sloshy, splashy action even with a low water level just can't be seen in pictures. However, the machine that caught my eye was the '67 Maytag Wringer. The turnover rate is really impressive and it looks like it can hold a large load! So far I haven't found one I liked yet; like the Electrolux XXX there are numerous examples but none is perfect...yet. Nothing short of amazing seeing one in action!
--Austin
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Post# 40459-6/20/2004-23:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Crazing on a dish means the clear glaze cracks- not the dish itself, just the glaze. I've had one piece of Star Glow get a couple of big cracks in the glaze, and another got the fine, 'eggshell' cracks. Some collectors report substantial problems with Royal China, some have none at all.
Star Glow and Blue Heaven (and the beautiful, but HTF Santa Fe) were often bought as grocery-store premiums- you know, buy $10 worth of groceries and get a dinner plate for 29 cents. So, they were inexpensive stuff new. I have eight full places of Star Glow, including a lot of HTF pieces.
Based on your experience, I'm really wondering if my modern DW had something to do with my problem. It's a Hotpoint convertible, and I hate it anyway, because of poor washing and a horrible lower rack design- you know that cutout for the wash tower, and that silly row of finger racks to hold bowls.
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Post# 40460-6/20/2004-23:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Thats about the same situation on vacuum cleaners in my area-you find either real cheap vacuums-Dirt Devils,Hoovers,Eurikas,etc.You don't see any mid priced vacs such as Royal classic metal uprights or canisters.Same with Dysons.when I sell the Tri-Stars-usually the machines offered for trade ins are the inexpensive vacs listed above-or 10 and 20 year old Kirby's,Rainbows,and Electroluxes.Last weekend the person I sold to had an older model Tri-Star wich she wanted to keep-and give to her sister.I and my freind are in the process of cleanin g it up-fixing whats broke and getting a power nozzle for it.We still gave her a discount.Whats really weird is the local vacuum dealer sold lots of the Royal products-we haven't seen any-strange-where did they go?It sounds like people keep their machines longer in your area.They may also take better care of them.So it would sound like the supply of used machines in Australia is pretty low compared to US.Products such as washers,dryers,vacuum cleaners,lawn mowers -in the US these products are those that people have to have but don't want to use.-So they take it out on them.They are the "Rodney Dangerfeilds" of appliances-"I don't get any respect"People abuse those above mentioned appliances or trade them in frequently.
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Post# 40461-6/20/2004-23:14 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: plastic ge washer transmissions were axed in 97 they are now all steel drive , other modifications were made after their disastrous redesign in 95, although they are nothing near the quality they once were they are at least much improved , some of their current models now offer a full 10 year parts and labor in home warrenty on entire machine , thats pretty impressive .
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Post# 40462-6/20/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Hi Sandy, now you got me interested. So I went downstairs and looked, I have 18 Blue Haven Plates and 7 bowls, only 1 dish has some crackling in the glaze. The bowls are all fine too. They have all been mostly washed in vintage dishwashers since I had them. There was a period of eight months or so where they were washed in our modern dw, but those days thankfully are over!
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Post# 40463-6/20/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: "shockingly bad coats of paint" unfortunately-the swap shops and second stores around here try to do that as well.Accidently spilled some detergent on a machine bought from them-it turned from white to Almond!!-asked them to take it back-they did and got a machine with its ORIGINAL paint-enamel job.Also in one machine I had to adjust the deph of water fill from the NEW water level selector they put in the machine-same with adjusting belt tensions.Oh well-part of the fun.
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Post# 40464-6/20/2004-23:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: How come one sees more scrapped GE machines than others-I go to the swap shops around here and most of the dead ones are GE's,WCI products and some newer Maytag products-the GE's scrap pile was the largest.The shop operators copmplained a lot about the new GE's-they were even debating sending them to the "krusher" rather than selling them.
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Post# 40465-6/20/2004-23:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: Personally I think that giving the agitator a shorter stroke is a lot harder on the transmission as well as the clothes unfortunate enough to be thrown in it, since it has to work hard & fast at the same time. Robert's Norge lasted 44 years without a restoration (he did end up doing a complete restoration after it had some sand disposal and slow spin/agitation) since it has the longest, slowest stroke of any machine I've watched. I looked at the other photos and the gears didn't have any wear at all; they looked brand new.
--Austin
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Post# 40466-6/20/2004-23:33 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Crazing usually has to do with heat, or with temperature variations. My guess is that a harsh drying element in a DW could do it (like my Hotpoint's, grrrrh!), or taking a dish right from the fridge, and running it in the DW immediately could also do it.
Actually, when you consider that most of the collectible Royal patterns were grocery store premiums, the survival rate is remarkable. Michael Pratt, the guy who wrote three books on Mid-Century China for Schiffer Books, says that Curtis Fahnert, the designer for Royal China, says that some patterns sold millions of pieces. People liked the stuff because it was modern-looking but it didn't cost much to buy. A & P was one of the store chains that sold a lot of Royal; they sold Blue Heaven, Star Glow, and Santa Fe, plus Currier & Ives, which was more traditional.
I would not be afraid to use your Blue Heaven if I were you- yours seems to be doing fine, and the stuff is plentiful. My Star Glow is rarer, because it has dishes in a shape that was made for only a few years. They kept making the pattern on another shape for a number of years more, and that's what most Star Glow collectors have.
OH, for a wonderful 1966 KitchenAid Superba- now there's a machine with gentle drying. And a turquoise DW goes SO well with gold and white dishes, n'est-ce pas?
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Post# 40467-6/20/2004-23:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: Agreed with you on trhese points-the short rapid strokes-the tranny parts are running at higher speeds-motor speed in the case of DD.In the BD-the large pully on the transmission ment it turned at slower speeds-easier on the gears.Also bet the gears in that old Norge transmission(44 yrs.) were made of machined steel-not pot metal or plastic or stamped metal.I also agree with you-clothes washed in the modern short rapid stroke agitate cycles last less too.Like trying to wash your clothes with a roto tiller.
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Post# 40468-6/20/2004-23:48 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: robert, that dishwashers pretty cool im shocked how well the impeller pushes the water up to the top rack . thanks for sharing,all your hard work you do to show us pics and videoes of you vintage machines its much appreciated !!!
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Post# 40469-6/21/2004-00:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: I've learned not to be shocked any longer about anything that happens here. ;-)
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Post# 40470-6/21/2004-00:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Norge FL (1950)
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a Norge FL Automatic, Norge's first entry into the automatic washer field? That looks like a fun machine to use because it holds the largest capacity of the early automatics--18 1/2 lbs compared to the 8-10 lb. loads most automatics held. Talk about "family size!" In the Consumer Reports article, they even mentioned that the capacity was "unusually larger" than the other machines. Little did they know that, starting in the 70's, this would be a common capacity of many automatics of that era (1-18 for example)!
--Austin
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Post# 40471-6/21/2004-02:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: Without even having a clear lid to watch the action in my '62 Kenmore, I KNOW it isn't getting the water to the upper rack like the Apex does. My KM uses the tube to spin the upper rack, but it doesn't always work unless the basket is balanced correctly and I definately notice that the dishes in the Roto-Rack don't get clean unless it rotates. This tells me that the impeller is really only reaching the lower rack, unlike the impeller in teh Apex. I've only seen 3 styles of impellers so far, the Apex one and the KM (D&M) impellers are similar, but I've seen ones in early GE machines that look sort of like a metal bow tie shape.
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Post# 40472-6/21/2004-05:11 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM (bad cpctr)
MESSAGE: thanks John, yea I will start with replacing the capacitor, which is leaking or oozing some white powder like a bad battery and yes it is a "canister" mounted to the rear access plate. I cannot get the machine to spin, just agitate, again because the motor will not seem to reverse ....... I wonder if that is a capacitor issue too?
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Post# 40473-6/21/2004-05:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (vintage DW perf)
MESSAGE: I have to agree with Robert, my vintage DW's, impeller and spin tube type too, all do a great job with 140 degree water and no pre-rinsing. My only exception is anything really baked or stuck on may not come off in the impeller machine, but will in the older Kitchen Aid's with the cast iron spray arm and my 60's and 70's machines with spray arms.
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Post# 40474-6/21/2004-05:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: I think the metal bow tie, came out in '59? give or take a year (after the bakelite impeller) and only lasted through '62-63; I have a mint '63 supposedly the first GE with a spray arm and tower for the upper rack.
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Post# 40475-6/21/2004-05:29 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short)
MESSAGE: When I got into themotor everything looked pretty good But I found a Short in one of the windings.I`ve fixed that and cleaned everything but Im not putting it back together until I find (or make) the three rubber motor mounts.Sandy of Jetsetmodern gave me the name of a guy on ebay that sells parts, maby Ill find them there. Everybody have a good week!
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Post# 40476-6/21/2004-05:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I haven't seen a touch'n cook Frigidaire in at least 10 years.The ones I remember had the glasstop(made by Corning I believe),and the surface units were operated by touchpad.I don't remember a lot of problems with the ranges,but then there weren't a whole lot of them out there,either.
A friend of ours had one in her kitchen. Talk about 70's! She had dark cabinets,black countertops,and poppy red Frigidaire appliances!
kennyGF
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Post# 40477-6/21/2004-07:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Well this evening Michael suggested we should go for another drive, and low and behold we stumbled accross another Whirlpool, BOL with Sudsaver, 2 Speed and Recirculating Lint Filter, Plastic Tub ring, in good condition, and he just had to have it. His reasoning is, that we can have two whirlpools at home, and should something happen to one of them, we can just swap the other over and put it in its place. Then get rid of all the new washers.
So we picked it up, and I started pointing out that if he could bring home every whirlpool he wanted, why couldnt I have the Norge.
So with some coaxing my point was proven, and now I have a norge sitting the garage.
It looks like the transmission has sprung a leak at some point, the bottom the machine is covered in oil. I've had to promise though that I wont touch either of them until my exam is over :(
So now, we have 1.5 whirlpools on the curb. (The other .5 is the washbowl and outer tub, with spin brake attached, its in the carport.
In the Garage we now have a BOL Whirlpool, I would say one of the very last models. A Norge Semi Auto, The Whirlpool that'll go into use in the Laundry, The whirlpool with the Bakelite Agi, an old Hoover that belongs to Michaels old Flatmate, and the Simpson thats currently in the Laundry.
You were right Uni, we've become a 6 washer family. :)
I dont know that someone is too happy about it, but I pointed out the Norge can always go to the tip.
Anywho, hugs guys. I'll post pics soon
TTFN
Nathan
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Post# 40478-6/21/2004-07:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: My friend in the appliance business (he sells for Expo Design Center), says that in the last four years or so the detergent mfgrs. have introduced very powerful enzyme type detergents. So powerful in fact the mfrgs. beg the sales people to warn users of new dishwashers to leave food residue on all dishes placed in the machine or risk "etching"! I would imagine the new formula's would have a significant impact on how an older machine performs as well.
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Post# 40479-6/21/2004-08:07 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: Our 57 HP used a curved fin bakelite impeller.
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Post# 40480-6/21/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (I'm thrilled you brought home the Norge!)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, congrats on bringing home that wonderful Norge. When you get a chance I would love to see a better picture of it's tub (or as you guys say wash bowl) and agitator.
By the way, looks like your going to have to change the oil seal in your transmission. I have a few extra Norge New-Old-Stock tranny oil seals if you need one. Please let me know.
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Post# 40481-6/21/2004-08:50 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I bought my mom a Touch'n Cook range in 1975, it was so cool and so typical of GM-Frigidaire technology (sigh....) The only problem was that the corning glass top wasnt the greatest at heating very fast. I remember that you could set the burners to automatically shut off with a timer. The major problems they had were with the contacts between the circuit board and the touch panel.... In the late 70's (77?)Frigidaire made a Touch 'n Cook with the standard monotube burners. When I bought a WCI/Frigidaire range in 1984 (based on the old Kelvinator style), they offered a Touch 'n Cook model as well.....
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Post# 40482-6/21/2004-08:53 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (vintage DW " ditto" )
MESSAGE: Me too, Greg... my 64 Spin-tube is connected and I always use it when we have company to wash all the plates and cups, leaving the 97 Frigidaire Precision Wash for the pots and pans. I use a tablet in the Spin-tube, although I prefer powders. It seems to me that vintage Cascade (with chlorine) did a much better job at cleaning than any of the current crap on the market
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Post# 40483-6/21/2004-09:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think all Australian made Whirlpools use the stud adjustment.
It always interests me, designs from overseas are often adopted for Aus production, but from the time of introduction, they evolve differently in each country, and sometimes end up quite different. Sometimes the model marches on overseas but stays the same over here (eg Frigidaire Pulsamatic mechanism) other times it changes more here than in its original market (eg Hoover FL).
Chris.
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Post# 40484-6/21/2004-09:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac
The prices Nathan showed were expensive for here too. That's why he didn't buy.
New cheap junk washers start about $390. That's AU$, which are about US75c I think at present. Good ones start about $500, eg F&P Pride, which is a 5.5kg Ecosmart with minimal options. Hoover and Simpsons start around there too. You would expect to pay $900 to $1000 for a 7 or 8 kg F&P, Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse, LG TL. FL's start $500 for Haier, $600 for Chinese Whirlpool, $699 for Simpson (made by Zanussi) and so on up. Once you take the dollar coversion into account, the prices aren't THAT much more expensive. I think wages are generally higher here too.
Also there is a cultural difference. I have to speak carefully here, I don't want to offend, but I think most Aussies would consider American habits of replacing appliances just because they are getting a bit old as terribly wasteful. I think we are culturally a bit more frugal. I know several people around here with ugly scratched old washers with peeling paint and signs of rust. The owners are waiting for them to die and will then replace them, but they would not consider throwing them out when still working. Old Whirlpools, twenty and more year old Simpsons and Hoovers are quite commonly purchased for family use, not just as collectors items. So basically, they just keep their value longer. We still have thriving reconditioning businesses too, giving these older machines a new lease of life. New machines have fallen in price so much lately that I can see they have a difficult future, but so far they are still holding on.
Chris.
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Post# 40485-6/21/2004-09:37 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Hey Steve,
Thanks for sharing those memories! I have a friend that owns an appliance store. In his scrap pile I found a Corning electric range from the 70's. I do remember these as being slow to heat, (much like those Euro cast iron burners from the 80's). I also remember the white glass would yellow and crack. I'm not sure if Corning made their own ranges or they were mfg by someone else and put their glasstop on them.
It's funny that some ppl think glasstops are a new idea. Everything old is new again. (ie f/l washers too)
John
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Post# 40486-6/21/2004-09:46 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short- PARTS SOURCE)
MESSAGE: Don:
The eBay seller I told you about also sells direct. His name is Dick Riggs, and his email address is vacuumman@olynet.com.
I've bought a very HTF part from him, and he was extremely patient and courteous helping me make sure it was the right thing. Charlie Lester speaks well of him, too. He is a former Electrolux employee who has struck out on his own, I understand, so he really knows his stuff.
Hope this helps you.
Sandy
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Post# 40487-6/21/2004-10:34 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Hi John,
Although I'm not sure about later production, I do know that the first Corning Ranges were built on GM-Frigidaire units. The design of the oven, with the lt grey porcelain, is a definite GM product.............
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Post# 40488-6/21/2004-11:04 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Steve, that is a nice story. I have a friend here in town who has the touch n cook wall oven and cooktop. They are about 33 y.o. and only an element or two have required attention.
The service manager of Frigidaire Factory Service in Tampa, used to jokingly refer to these as "Touch n Hope". With the extreme summer lightning storms here, many of these appliances did not stand up to power surges and the like.
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Post# 40489-6/21/2004-11:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Nathan, that's wonderful news that the Norge has been rescued. I hope your exams go well and we will see some more detailed pictures. Just one question, the big dial on the right, it looks like a timer, but does it have only three positions?
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Post# 40490-6/21/2004-11:13 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: Painting a washer
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, Happy Summer... I have a question, I want to sand down my old wringer and give her a nice new paint job, she has some surface rust, can anyone tell me how to do this, what kind of sand paper do I use and where can I get the paint to make it look new and shiny again? And is it easy to apply the paint, Thanks guys for everything, p.s there is a easy washer on ebay in Seattle, my dream come true,
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3731077649&rd=1
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Post# 40491-6/21/2004-12:13 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (The downside of being frugal)
MESSAGE: "...American habits of replacing appliances just because they are getting a bit old as terribly wasteful. I think we are culturally a bit more frugal. I know several people around here with ugly scratched old washers with peeling paint and signs of rust. The owners are waiting for them to die and will then replace them, but they would not consider throwing them out when still working..."
The downside of this is that you see fewer vintage machines in good cosmetic shape, which are desired by collectors. Naturally, collectors don't want to have to perform a full restoration on every machine they acquire. Sure, an old machine can be reconditioned, and many are, but here you could find, say, a 1970's Belt-Drive Kenmore 90 Series in excellent original condition. Collectors' main desires are machines in excellent shape to begin with, and if people are frugal with appliances in Minneapolis, then that would never happen. Being wasteful with appliances is a boon for collectors here, as long as they aren't sent off to the krusher. Then we have a problem.
I am, however, quite happy to see that people care about older machines in Australia; I wish there was more of that here. Not very many people I know have bought a 20-year-old Whirlpool BD used, or still using one they've bought new, either. They usually end up getting rid of it just because it looks bad, and replaced it with a flimsy plastic machine. I'd rather have an ugly washer if it's 100% mechanically sound and works well (i.e. a Harvest-Gold Westinghouse FL). When our DD Kenmore dies, I'm going vintage; an 80's Filter-Flo or 70's-80's WP/KM BD is quite common down here. The only machines I would consider buying new are the GE Harmony and Speed Queen. The others, forget it. YUK!
--Austin
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Post# 40492-6/21/2004-12:33 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I grew up with one of those. It was actually a combination sink/dishwasher unit, in a free standing white metal cabinet that was probably 4-5' wide. The sink was to the left, with storage underneath, and the DW was to the right with a big drainboard on top of it. It was EXACTLY as you described, a big drawer style unit, one latch near the top and the cycle indicator dial near the bottom that was partly visible and rotated through the cycle. I forgot about the mesh detergent cup. I recall my parents replacing the bakelite ?? impeller in the bottom once or twice when silverware ?? fell out of the basket and it broke. It was like an boat propeller, on a vertical axis down in the bottom. It had a blower to dry the dishes too. My parents bought the house in 1950, so I suspect it was purchased sometime mid-50's. I loaded and unloaded a lot of Fiesta Ware in that machine. Its demise in 1972 prompted my Dad to do a 1974 kitchen remodel and replace it with a TOL Kitchen Aid Superba built-in ... KDS-21? (I lobbied for that one), which was still running strong when we sold the house in '98. I see another post about Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook stoves.. we had one of those too... purchased in 1974 for almost $700, harvest gold, of course. Wow, memory lane
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Post# 40493-6/21/2004-12:52 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I talked my parents into buying a harvest gold Touch 'n Cook as part of the 1974 kitchen remodel; almost $700 as I recall, a LOT of cash at the time. I recall thinking it was just the coolest, sleekest thing, a MAJOR step up from the 20" wide electric stove it replaced, circa early 50's. It had a white Corning Glass top, and the controls were all touchpad (touted as cleaning simplicity). Yes, one of the burners had a timer that would shut it off automatically; its usefulness was limited. The temperature control was not good, burners would sometimes get real hot and then cycle off. We replaced the control panel once, under warranty. The broil function could be set on a 1-5 temperature scale, and the self-clean oven was a one button function. Lock the door, touch "clean," and walk away for 3+ hrs. Frigidaire made some really cool appliances!!!
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Post# 40494-6/21/2004-14:22 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (The downside of being frugal)
MESSAGE: Hi:
I don't remember exactly when taking care of things stopped, but it seems to have been in the later 60's, when everyone was buying a lot of new stuff- the Vietnam years made the economy boom, even if the war itself was horrendous.
In the 1950s, I remember that Jubilee kitchen wax was a staple in every household- you used it on appliances to help keep them from rusting, since home air-conditioning was still very rare. You can still get it today- it's a Johnson Wax product. A little hard to find, but worth it. If you'll use it on painted appliances, they'll look new much, much longer, and your kitchen will smell like the '50s, to boot.
I have a DD Whirly washer with matching dryer from 1988; both of them still look very good, thanks to Jubilee. Touch-up paint helps, too, LOL.
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Post# 40495-6/21/2004-14:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the chlorine!)
MESSAGE: I agree, I've been able to find chlorinated dishwasher detergent at different places under generic brand names, some even have phosphates to soften the water which helps tremendously if you don't have soft/softened water. Many times I use a dose of enzyme detergent in the 1st wash cup and the chlorinated version in the main wash. Enzymes work better at lower temps, cold dishes, tank, etc. and the chlorinated type works better with higher temps later in the cycle. There's nothing like a little bleach to keep those plastic deviled egg keepers sparkling!
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Post# 40496-6/21/2004-14:27 ||| Thirtyater (owensboro ky)
SUBJECT: late 50's GE Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Where do you collectors find these late 50's washers? I never see them around here. I am looking for a GE Filter Flo about 1958.
Thanks
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Post# 40497-6/21/2004-14:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I've seen several of these at sales, beautiful ranges indeed. An aunt had one in MN which she loathed, it was very slow to heat and the glass top didn't hold up well. One of the worst of these I remember was a friend's Tappan (early 70's) that had individual glass burners surrounded by metal frames. Talk about hard to clean, and the glass itself was stained and turned grey over time. Nasty beast suffered a tragic impact to a burner and was replaced with a smooth-top GE - much improved from the Tappan.
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Post# 40498-6/21/2004-14:33 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: late 50's GE Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Sometimes on ebay, but by putting the word out there to every recycler, appliance dealer, and estate sale you can find ........... it takes alot of work, but you will find one or two that will help you with a monetary incentive on your part. That is how I found almost all my stuff over the last two years and with ALOT of luck and "word of mouth" too ......
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Post# 40499-6/21/2004-15:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Next thing manufacturers need to do is bring back the phosphate detergents, like 60's formula Tide. Maybe we could re-create it somehow, if somebody gets ahold of the Tide formula at that time...
Why were phosphates discontinued in the first place?
--Austin
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Post# 40500-6/21/2004-16:02 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Just call me Mr. Maytag
MESSAGE: Found a Neptune MAH4000 in excellent cosmetic condition Sunday afternoon.
Hooked it up and it appears to do everything but spin.
I was chatting with Greg (ganski) and he memtioned that someone posted that there is a way to repair the motor boards.
Can anyone help me? Sure would appreciate. If I can get this up and running, it will go to mom (she doesn't need a window!)
Steve1-18
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Post# 40501-6/21/2004-16:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Austin:
Phosphates (in their 1960's form) contributed a lot of pollution to lakes and streams. Basically, the problem they cause is over-nourishment of algae and aquatic weeds, throwing aquatic ecosystems way off balance, and sometimes even choking the water to the point that fish cannot survive in it. We think of the '60s at 'the good old days', but pollution was something FIERCE at the time.
I think phosphates have somehow been 'tamed' recently, and they're being used again to a limited extent. But they really were nasty business in their old form.
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Post# 40502-6/21/2004-16:18 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Look what I Found)
MESSAGE: May have found a solution. Check out the link.
LINK: http://members.shaw.ca/gavb/
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Post# 40503-6/21/2004-16:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Look what I Found)
MESSAGE: Maytag FL's have always been lemons; nothing new. Is there a working 1960's Maytag Combo in existence? I highly doubt it. What makes the Combos so complicated to fix?
--Austin
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Post# 40504-6/21/2004-16:32 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (I'm thrilled you brought home the Norge!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert :)
I would say that I will once I get it pulled down. Thankyou for the offer, I'll let you know how I go. Once I get some new batteries for the Digital Camera, I'll post some pics. The wiring diagram is in the control panel, and its an incredibley simple machine. I overspec'd its specifications, I now know that its just a tap on/off fill.
Michael isnt overly happy about it being here, I'll have to try and squirrel it away and cover it up before he gets home. He claims is ugly, and I do admit it looks very hulking next to the smooth lines of the whirlpool. The Norge's cabinet seems huge.
The whirlpool we picked up last night runs ok, but I think its going to need new bearings. Its noisy during spin from the bowl and during agitate, but no leaks or pump/motor noise. That will be a much bigger challenge for me. I could always just swap the bowl/basket drive for the one in the carport, but where would the fun be in that :)
Anywho, I better go,
Have a good day
Nathan
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Post# 40505-6/21/2004-16:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (Controls on the Norge Semi Auto)
MESSAGE: Hi Foraloysius,
The Little control is just timer. Its not electrical, it functions with a spring and when it reaches the off position it just opens 2 contacts, cutting the power.
The big nob has 3 positions, Wash, Spin and Heat.
You set the big knob to the action you want, and then turn the timer on, and off it goes.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40506-6/21/2004-18:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: So I'm guessing that the all pushbutton washer came out before the all pushbutton dryer? And notice, no way to change water levels, unlike other pushbutton washers. The ad claims to set the water level automatically, but how could it possibly know what size load is in the machine?
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Post# 40507-6/21/2004-18:02 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (Controls on the Norge Semi Auto)
MESSAGE: Hi Foraloysius,
The Little control is just timer. Its not electrical, it functions with a spring and when it reaches the off position it just opens 2 contacts, cutting the power.
The big nob has 3 positions, Wash, Spin and Heat.
You set the big knob to the action you want, and then turn the timer on, and off it goes.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40508-6/21/2004-18:09 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Actually you can set the water level, I have this ad framed in my room. Ther are repeated cycles with full load or half load, like whites full load, and whites half load.
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Post# 40509-6/21/2004-18:16 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: I have a question for all of you commerciaal machine experts. For those of you that don't know, (and I think that is everyone), I now work at the YMCA, I wash towels. Anyway one of the dryers I use has a problem, it tends to smell like fried puke while it is running, this makes it really hard to use without puking yourself. Is there any way to deodorize it? Should I buy a chemical of some sort? Also it seems to have a problem lighting its flame, it will sometimes but it sometimes also just starts pouring natural gas into the room which is dangerous due to the other open flame dryer next to it. any help would be appreciated.
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Post# 40510-6/21/2004-18:21 ||| Suzieb (kansas city)
SUBJECT: 50s Roper Gas Range
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I have a 1950s (late, I think) Roper Gourmet gas range that has been 'condemned' by the gas company. Apparently it was leaking a little lethal amount of gas......Anyway, now I am looking for a new home for it, a home that will love the range as much as I have. It is in near perfect cosmetic condition, one minor blemish in the white paint, and I have the manuals and rotisserie accessories. It could be a 'guts only' refurbish. Anyone know what I might be able to get for this and where I might be able to sell it?
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Post# 40511-6/21/2004-18:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (used washers)
MESSAGE: Actually, people in the US usually won't throw something out until it stops working, too, depends on your income level. How many times it has to be repaired seems to be the key. Usually the 4th time it has to be repaired, unless it's a minor thing, is when a machine gets tossed. The shorter the interval between repairs, the more likely it gets tossed. low income people cruise the streets, and will often pick up a tossed washer or dishwasher, take it home, repair it, and either use it themselves or give it to friends or relatives who don't have these "luxury" items. Upper income people are more likely to replace a washer just to get the "new features" or they remodel and don't want anything "old" spoiling the "newness" of the re-model.
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Post# 40512-6/21/2004-18:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Yes, I see that now that I looked at the buttons again. Didn't later versions have even MORE buttons?
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Post# 40513-6/21/2004-18:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer (stinky dryer)
MESSAGE: Brand? Model? Household type commercial or large laundramat commericial type?
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Post# 40514-6/21/2004-18:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 50s Roper Gas Range (leaking gas)
MESSAGE: Did they show you where it was leaking? If you really like the range, I can't imagine that it can't be repaired, leaks are relatively easy to fix, don't give up so easily.
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Post# 40515-6/21/2004-18:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Jubilee kitchen wax)
MESSAGE: check the archives, there was a whole discussion on Jubilee and how to buy it.
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Post# 40516-6/21/2004-18:55 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: A very qucik hello!
MESSAGE: I am on Holiday and taking five minutes with my parents computer.
I am thrilled to see all these great Aussie washers around!
Especially the Norge. The fully Auto version of that Machine is featured in Choice magazines very detailed report in 1964.
I have a photocopy of the article so if I get to a scanner I will and try and post it. Brisnat, make a trip to the state Library in Brisbane, you should be able to fine all the old choice magazines there and you can copy all the washer tests. They really make great reading.
Have fun and looking forward to more pictures.
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Post# 40517-6/21/2004-19:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: How do you know what fried puke is like? 8^) Anyway,you need to see if there isn't a dead rodent or two inside the dryer somewhere slowly disintegrating.
Concerning the gas problem,is it a standing pilot,or electronic ignition? Could be a dirty pilot,that keeps going out.Sounds like it's time for the repair man.
kennyGF
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Post# 40518-6/21/2004-19:34 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Was it this series that had the water level settings in the lid?
kennyGF
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Post# 40519-6/21/2004-20:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: And what a scandal it fueled too! I've read appliance service manuals from that time (late 60's - early 70's) about the increased algae growth in rivers and streams but also that much of this is/was actually caused by runoff of farmland chemicals, fertilizers, etc. (which is a whole other can of worms!) and that the phosphates used in detergents and cleaning products accounted for less than 5% of the total amount in the enviornment reduced further by treatment of sewage in municipal water systems. A while back, I posted a scathing article from the head home economist at Speed Queen/McGraw Edison which was only one of many from economists at various manufacturer's labs condemning the removal of phosphates from laundry and cleaning products. The food-grade phosphates used as preservatives accounted for a significant portion as well, but there has never been an outcry to eliminate them from Dolly Madison's recipies. Since those scandalous days, detergent manufacturers have developed formulas that perform as well or better than products with phosphates but many still swear by them, have a look at the laundry forum on the Garden Web. I have bought STPP (sodium tri-poly phosphate) for laundry use and found it to be very effective in hard water. I have softened water now and don't use STPP as often, but there are times when it does give an added boost for especially dirty things.
And McDonald's french-fries have never been the same since they took out the lard and tallow! ;-)
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Post# 40520-6/21/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short)
MESSAGE: I guess I was lucky with mine.The owner was still using it before she got the new Royal canister vac.Those old orig "lux "motors were especially durable.
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Post# 40521-6/21/2004-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: There is a brand new one - never used - at the Maytag factory store in Newton, IA. But we can assume from their previous track record that if it did run, it wouldn't work for long...
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Post# 40522-6/21/2004-20:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Call a qualified tech for service - these machines are nothing to be poking around in with the danger of leaking gas, etc.
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Post# 40523-6/21/2004-20:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: From reading Nathans and your posts-it sounds like people in your area do keep their machines longer.Yes there are some folks here in the states that keep their machines until they die and rust apart as well.Then there are some that have to have the "latest and greatest" model-so they get rid of their old ones and get the new "wiz-bang" model even though their old one was working just fine.Kinda like cars.Its also like what one other person mentioned on this-when someone remodels their house-they get rid of all the older machines and replace them.The old ones were probably working just fine-just didn't want the old with the new.Anyway-gets more machines for us older appliance lovers!I guess with the dollar difference between Australia and US-then the prices are not too much different.The appliance store here was selling the FP washber set for close to the price you mentioned.They sell the "Dishdrawer" dishwasher for about $1200 US dollars per drawer.And the dealer says they have sold several in my area.My wages are higher than average for my area.Sadly many industries here have closed or cut back.Textile manufacturing was very common here-not its about disappeared.Tobacco was common as well(the major industry here)it is drastically cut back.There used to be a Pillowtex factory near here and a mill that made fabric for the Cannon towels.
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Post# 40524-6/21/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Leaking NG isn't something to be taken lightly as mentioned-can cause nasty fires or destructive explosions-the machines in your facility shouldn't be used until the bad one is repaired.Does the manager or owner of your facility know about the leak?
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Post# 40525-6/21/2004-20:43 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Sounds like fun Steve!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
There you go again with the Maytag's.
That sounds like a neat machine. I am not up on the Neptune's model numbers. Is it one with the dial instead of the computer screen?
Call Maytag. Tell them you bought it used if all else. I think they are replacing the boards on all of them without argument. Just don't let them see that you have a a few hundred vintage machines lying around!
Also tell them that you want a door with a window!
Brent
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Post# 40526-6/21/2004-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: I would think the defective dryer should be brought to the managments attention immediately.As one other says-the smell must be from a dead mouse or rat that died in the machine.The only cure for that is to remove the body.It does sound like a tech will have to be called in to fix the bad machine before it blows up or burns down the place.
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Post# 40527-6/21/2004-20:46 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: I took the back plate off and removed the capacitor and when I did and then removed the cap, one of the terminals fell right off and is corroded. So I need a new one part # 5526140; 124-149 MFD < (what does that mean?) .....125 VAC - 60 CYC. Obviously this part is no longer available, but can't I use "any" type capacitor ??
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Post# 40528-6/21/2004-20:47 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: I took the back plate off and removed the capacitor and when I did and then removed the cap, one of the terminals fell right off and is corroded. So I need a new one part # 5526140; 124-149 MFD < (what does that mean?) .....125 VAC - 60 CYC. Obviously this part is no longer available, but can't I use "any" type capacitor ??
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Post# 40529-6/21/2004-20:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a paper mill town in north central MAss, where the river was literally a milky orange due to pollution in the 60's ......... NASTY !!!!, it runs clean today ............
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Post# 40530-6/21/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: Try WWW Graingers,or any large electrical supply store.Check for any motor rebuild or repair shops in your area-these usually have motor start caps.Its a special electrolytic cap-the high cap values.Sometimes old time hardware stores may have them if there is still one in your area.124-149 Mfd is the capacitance value of your capacitor.The part number may be of help too.The parts dealer can try to cross reference it.Do you have the makers name on the cap?Oh yes- applaince stores that have parts and service departments can help as well.-they may have the cap you need.
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Post# 40531-6/21/2004-21:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
You should be able to get that start capacitor at any appliance parts store. Bring the old one, if you can. Microfarads are the way capacitors are rated. The higher the range of numbers, the more stronger "push" if you will to get the motor started. I may have one here if you need it. Try to get the same size so it will mount in whatever bracket it has.
John
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Post# 40532-6/21/2004-21:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Thank you Rex!!!!, I never heard of WWW Graingers, but thanks for your info, it is a great help and I have a gut feeling this will solve the problem. The makers name is General Motors - AC DELCO ........ I actually tried to pull one off of another machine, but my "rapidry" 1967, does not have one attached to the back plate at all and my multi-matic machines have very different looking ones ......... I do have a local appliance friend/contact that I will go to first, they are great .......... thanks again :) -gregm
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Post# 40533-6/21/2004-21:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: thanks John, you must come visit :) ...........
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Post# 40534-6/21/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: You are welcome-glad to help-The dealer that you try should be able to provide you with a proper replacement-the value is the most important as well as the part#.These are pretty generic for the most part-a new one of any manufacture should work with your motor as long as the value and voltage rating match.
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Post# 40535-6/21/2004-22:06 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: By the way it is W.W. Grainger Co. It is not a web address however they may have a web site.
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Post# 40536-6/21/2004-22:13 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A very qucik hello! (Choice Magazines)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Tip Arrrooohhh,
I'll have to go in and have a look. What a great Idea :)
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Post# 40537-6/21/2004-22:17 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Here's the link to W.W.Grainger's. Type in "Capacitor" in the search box.
LINK: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml
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Post# 40538-6/21/2004-22:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Sorry-it is two W's-Hit the "W" key too much on my computer.
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Post# 40539-6/21/2004-23:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (Allied Electronics)
MESSAGE: Greg Allied Electronics also sells motor start capacitors and you don't need an account like you might at Grangiers. Allied part #852-3728 is a 125volt 145 to 174mfd motor start capacitor. That's a slightly higher value, but it should work just fine. I buy capacitors for restoring vintage television sets from them occassionally.
LINK: http://www.alliedelec.com
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Post# 40540-6/22/2004-03:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: motor start capacitors
MESSAGE: So why are capacitors needed when induction motors are kicked off by the start windings?
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Post# 40541-6/22/2004-06:21 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Where can you buy STPP? Or can you just throw a couple of Dolly Madison donuts in the wash for softer water?
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Post# 40542-6/22/2004-06:57 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor start capacitors
MESSAGE: I would like to learn the answer to that .........
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Post# 40543-6/22/2004-07:00 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: bad capacitor (thanks ALL !!!!)
MESSAGE: thanks VERY much to you guys who answered my question :)
I wonder if I will be able to get the same size so that it will mount and fit back on the access plate ??
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Post# 40544-6/22/2004-07:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: I have used "calgon" ......... does a good job softening the water but I am sure its not or is extremely low in phosphates ............
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Post# 40545-6/22/2004-07:05 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: so were capacitors used in place of start windings ?? AND start windings are actually inside the motor itself with a "switch" to engage them for the first couple seconds then disengage them once the motor is running, correct ?
Is the capacitor like the one I have on my '65 Frig washer, like a battery whereas it is ooozing corrosion ?? seems rather "large" ......... they do not make them like this anymore right ?
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Post# 40546-6/22/2004-07:41 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? (Why a capacitor)
MESSAGE: Going way back to physic in college the capacitor is used to add extra voltage to help start the motor without pulling so much amp's from the circuit and blowing the fuse or breaker. The capacitor holds the electrical charge and when the motor is started it sends out the burst of power needed to get the motor going. Being hooked to the electrical current it then recharges to it normal holding value.
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Post# 40547-6/22/2004-08:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: One for me, one for the wash...
I wish the donuts worked, but a pail of STPP is cheaper. Here is an online store that carries it, I just went to a local chemical supply house and bought it over the counter - no shipping costs. I think mine was $45 for a 50lb bag. I used approximately 1/4 cup for a full load and reduced the amount of detergent by about the same amount in a top load washer.
LINK: http://www.chemistrystore.com/sodium_tripolyphosphate.htm
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Post# 40548-6/22/2004-08:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (Allied Electronics DITTO)
MESSAGE: They're great to work with. I get my network cables and connectors for work at Allied at great discounts.
Hey Robert, I saw on Audiokarma that someone scanned a 1970s Allied catalog page with TV picture tubes, including a few color roundies!
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Post# 40549-6/22/2004-08:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: A capacitor is like a battery. Is stores a charge that can be called upon by the circuit when needed. From what I remember a start capacitor holds so many amps at 120v or whatever the motor needs. When the motor starts, the capacitor gives it enough oomph to get going without drawing too much current from the mains.
Capacitors are also used in electronics to filter out noise or (audio/TV) low frequencies.
I'm guessing start windings work like a transformer giving the motor more than 120v to get running and then switching off once the motor is at full speed.
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Post# 40550-6/22/2004-08:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Sounds to me like a faulty gas valves, too high heat and not enough make-up air in the room. The valve can be replaced and thermostats checked. The make-up air may take some construction/remodeling of the laundry space. A qualified repair tech will be able to advise you/your supervisor on the best course of action. Do you clean the lint compartment every day, getting into all the nooks and cranies where lint can accumulate?
Commercial laundry products used in the wash are not known for their April-fresh scent. Even after the dryer is checked and maintained, you may still have unpleasant odors.
Check with your supervisor before calling a repair tech and generating a bill.
-ph
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Post# 40551-6/22/2004-09:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Is there an odor problem with the "working" dryer you use?
--Austin
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Post# 40552-6/22/2004-09:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Capacitors are essentially a storage device. When connected across a DC voltage, they will absorb the voltage. (charge up) Where the voltage fluctuates, they tend to smooth out the fluctuations. For example, when connected across a 12 Volt DC supply, if a short spike of 20 volts comes down the wire, the capacitor will absorb most of the spike and release it back into the circuit as the voltage drops again. They are often used this way as part of a filter circuit.
They can also be used in a timing circuit. If we start with the same 12 Volt DC supply, connect a capacitor across the supply, but this time connect one of the capacitor leads to the 12 volts through a resistor. The resistor, if an appropriate value is chosen, slows the flow of electricity into the capacitor, so the cap charges up s-l-o-w-l-y. We then add another circuit, of a voltage sensitive switch. It is set so that when the voltage across the cap gets to,for example, eight volts, it switches on. When it falls below six volts, it switches off. This basic combination of resistor and capacitor for timing purposes (called an R/C circuit) is used in thousands of timing applications, from light flashers, to electronic egg timers, to washing machine timers.
And to motors... No, the capacitor does NOT store a charge of extra voltage to give the motor an extra zap to start. A common misconception. Capacitors are most easily understood in DC circuits as above, but when fed AC they get more interesting. Caps are also used to smooth out voltage fluctuations in AC supplies, such as spike filters. In a motor circuit they can give a second phase from a single phase supply.
Lets start with a simple motor without start windings, as in little Japanese washers like Austin's GE portable. These motors have two identical windings. if BOTH were connected directly to the mains, (no capacitors) then the voltage in both windings at any instant would always be identical. The AC supply fluctuates from 0 to peak volts 60 times per second in USA (50 over here), but as the two windings are connected together the voltage in them will rise and fall together. As the voltages remain the same there can be no reaction between them, so the motor won't move. If we add a capacitor in series with ONE winding and connect the other to the mains, something interesting happens. When the directly connected one's voltage starts to rise, the capacitor in the other one soaks up the charge. The winding doesn't get the voltage. Suddenly we have a voltage difference between them, so they magnetically react with each other and the motor turns to try to even out the forces. As the voltage across the direct winding starts to fall again, the capacitor feeds its stored electricity into the second winding. Again the voltage difference is maintained. So adding a cap effectively added a 1/2 cycle time delay to the AC electricity flowing through the second winding. It effectively turns a single phase supply into a two phase supply, and with its two windings the motor is really a two phase unit.
The motor is easily reversed, just by putting the cap in the OTHER winding's circuit. So on Austin's GE, every few seconds the timer stops, then puts the cap in the other circuit to reverse the motor during wash.
Now to Greg's machine - The start circuit in most big washing machine motors is a very heavy winding that usually draws well in excess of the rated amps of the power supply. For example a motor that uses 4 amps when running may use in excess of twenty amps for half a second or so before the motor gets up to speed and the start winding cuts out. This is on a 15 amp circuit, wiring codes always allow a little fat so that start surges aren't a problem. Trouble is, these motors have quite weak starting torque, they can't do much work till they get up to speed. Where a machine requires its motor to start up with a load already applied, it is often more reliable (less likely to blow fuses or burn out the start winding) if a two phase winding is used to start up, switching to the single phase winding after the motor is up to speed. If a "normal" (no cap) motor hasn't got up to speed in about five seconds, it is in extreme danger of burning out its start winding. Also, to not have a cap, the start winding needs to be huge, = big power surge, = might blow a fuse. By adding a cap, the start winding will be out of phase from the main winding, so they can both react and contribute to starting the motor. Once the motor is up to speed, the start winding including the cap are switched out of the circuit. Because of its greater efficiency with a cap in circuit, the start winding can be much smaller, so it doesn't pull such a huge surge. This allows capacitor start motors to start more gently, and wind up to speed over twenty or more seconds. This is great for washing machines, especially solid tub machines who might not get up to full speed till they are nearly all pumped out.
So that is the cap story, or part of it, and why your machine won't reverse without a cap.
Oh, and Greg, they are still just as big. Motor start caps are pretty much the same now as when your machine was new, though they are often in plastic cases now.
Chris.
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Post# 40553-6/22/2004-09:51 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: You know Austin, you've brought up a point that I've thought of many times but then thought it was too foolish to bring up for discussion.
I've been washing for MANY years and have experienced the smell of MANY soaps and detergents. The ONLY one that has stuck in my mind and is still up there is the fresh, clean fragrance of Tide in the late 50s/60s. My foolish thought was to try and obtain a bit of the original scented Tide and take it to one of these perfume/cologne fragrance shops where they try to match the fragrance.
I would be totally happy to wash with an odorless low-sudser and then release a couple of drops of this concoction into the final rinse.
I can't find words to describe the fragrance of clothes after being washed in this old "Washday Miracle." To me, there will never be another one like it.
A pretty foolish idea huh?
Dick S
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Post# 40554-6/22/2004-10:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Hey Dick, I think that is an absolutely wonderful idea! Although many of the vintage detergents I find the scent has faded away, on occasion I get lucky and for what ever reason the contents retained some or all it's scent. I do not know why some boxes why some lose their scent faster then others even when it’s the same brand. Might have to do with the humidity of the room where it was stored in over the years.
Do you think we could match vintage detergent fragrance, I would be willing to help however I can?
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Post# 40555-6/22/2004-11:55 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Here, here! I thought I was the only one who pined for the scent of 'classic' 60's-era Tide. I remember opening my closet and smelling that wonderful Tide scent on my clothes----not to mention the way the house smelled on laundry day as the machine ran load after load. Good luck in your reproduction efforts, guys. Oh, and Frigidaires rule!!
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Post# 40556-6/22/2004-12:30 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Okay, Who Did This?
MESSAGE:
Is someone in here preparing for the next convention?!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20040622/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_germany_soap
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Post# 40557-6/22/2004-12:42 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Magic Chef dishwasher
MESSAGE: Is anyone here familiar with the Magic Chef Concept
Series line of appliances? My mom has a Magic Chef CS
portable dishwasher in harvest gold with "Total Magic
Wash" option (I have no idea what that is, since it's
always been set to "Full Wash No Heat" on the rare
occasions it's been used). The dishwasher has a few
little dings and a very small leak at one corner, but
it's in pretty good working condition.
Unfortunately, Mom deems the dishwasher unnecessary and
mortally hates it for reasons of her own. I'm trying to
persuade her to sell/give it away to someone who can
repair and enjoy it. I'll post any further developments.
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Post# 40558-6/22/2004-13:06 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Okay, Who Did This?
MESSAGE:
Resubmitted using the "URL Link to Share" feature...
LINK: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20040622/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_germany_soap
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Post# 40559-6/22/2004-14:09 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Oh Yey, I dream of manufacturers bringing back the original scents in detergents. I had the best of both worlds after 13 years old. I aquired a step mom. My mom was a Dash person using it in her Duomatic. I loved that smell. She hung her laundry for years even having the dryer. She said she didn't have all day waiting for clothes to dry. Everything smelled so good. My step mom had a Maytag AMP for years. She was the queen of Tide. I swear she used more than necessary per load. Pretty strong but going up to the Napa Valley to visit my Dad for the summer with the smog free air the Tide fragerance took over the garage and the clothes hanging on the clothes line was like flowers in a garden. Does anyone remember....put alittle tide in your hand and add alittle water and close your hand and the tide would get warm. I always thought that was fun. Dano
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Post# 40560-6/22/2004-14:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Maybe we could somehow get a hold of all of the ingredients necessary to make vintage Tide, study the 60's Tide formula, and spend a few days making boxes of "vintage" phosphate detergent and sell them to club members! While it might take some time (and some additional equipment) the results could be outstanding.
While I like the scent of modern Tide (especially when you're washing with it), the bleach additive has a negative effect on it. And the "Mountain Spring" scent (or something along those lines)? It has a sickeningly sweet smell that's certain to make anyone near it gag.
--Austin
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Post# 40561-6/22/2004-14:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Restoring chrome on an Appliance
MESSAGE: What types of polish/wax can you use to restore dull, pitted chrome on a vintage appliance? Also, how is the best way to polish them, using an electric buffer (Baldor) or by hand?
--Austin
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Post# 40562-6/22/2004-14:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Sign me up for:
Oxydol
ALL
Punch
Final Touch
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Post# 40563-6/22/2004-15:11 ||| radiobill1966 (Indianapolis, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Painting a washer
MESSAGE: Okay, lessee if I remember this stuff...I used to work for an auto body paint supply.
If you have a DA orbital sander, I'd use it instead of hand-sanding. For metal, start with 180 grit and work up to around 320. Make sure you remove all the rust, or it'll try breaking through your new finish.
Wipe down your newly-sanded work with wax and grease remover to remove the grit and oil from your hands.
Now, what kind of paint were you thinking of using? Easy solution would be acrylic enamel. More expensive but more durable would be acrylic urethane, like what they use on cars. With urethane, I'd have someone do it for you, as the fumes from that stuff will mess with your insides.
Either way, prime it and let it sit for a day. Fine-sand the primer, wax-and-grease remove the surface, then go forward with your paint.
After you've let the paint cure for a few days, you can rub out the hairs and rough spots (I call 'em "boogers!" ) with rubbing compound. When you're finished, you should have a glass-smooth finish.
Bill
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Post# 40564-6/22/2004-15:19 ||| Activewater (UK)
SUBJECT: Smelly condenser dryer
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, I am new here. This is a fabulous site with wondeful pics and vids, have had a ball looking at everything on here and reading your msgs. Now I need your advise:
I have a Zanussi condenser dryer that is about 3 years old. Over the last few months it has started to stink of mould although having checked the water unit (clean) the condenser unit (clean) the filter (clean), I am at a loss as to know where this smell is coming from. It has started to make my clean laundry smell like it hasn't been washed for months. Is there something about condenser dryers that no-one told me about or some kind of deodoriser I can use?
Thanks
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Post# 40565-6/22/2004-15:26 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The art of hanging out clothes
MESSAGE: There was a great article in the Minneapolis Sunday Paper this past week. It was about hanging out clothes on the line, which I love to do. There was a website connected to this which features artwork, stories, and other tidbits about hanging clothes out and laundry. Some great art featured! Enjoy, Don
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Post# 40566-6/22/2004-15:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (chrome restoration)
MESSAGE: Use the same stuff you would use on the chrome bumper of a car. Same materials are used on appliances, (chrome, stainless steel, aluminum, plastic, baked enamel) so a lot of automotive products work well.
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Post# 40567-6/22/2004-15:45 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes
MESSAGE: Hi Don, What was the website?
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 40568-6/22/2004-16:04 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: El-Cheapo Frigidaire DW
MESSAGE: My trusty old K-Aid Imperial was damaged recently (long story) and I substituted if for a 4 yr. old builders grade Frigidaire my neighbor had in her garage and was not using. (When she bought the house she ripped out the kitchen and started from scratch). Any way I installed it. Now every time I use it at the very end of the cycle, about a cup of water runs out onto the floor! I have felt around the door seal, inlet valve, and drain and cannot find a thing wet! The only thing I can think of is that water is collecting in the steam vent, and when it opens towards the end of the cycle, the water spills out. Does this make any sense to ya'll? Tell me whats up with this!
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Post# 40569-6/22/2004-16:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: My mom also used Dash (the Frigidaires needed it), and I loved the fragrance too. Also Tide and especially Rinso-Blu!
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Post# 40570-6/22/2004-16:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? (Why a capacitor)
MESSAGE: very interesting ......... thank you .........
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Post# 40571-6/22/2004-16:14 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: I LOVE learning about this stuff ........ thanks very much for the info and feedback Jason :)
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Post# 40572-6/22/2004-16:15 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: You are so right! I forgot, Final Touch had a great fragrance, I bet I would recognise Oxydol too, but I don't remember off-hand.
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Post# 40573-6/22/2004-16:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: very cool, thanks for the info, BUT ......... now I obviously know that the motor not starting and just humming is do to my capacitor being bad and needing replacement, does that ALSO explain the fact that the motor will NOT reverse when the timer is placed in "spin" ?? Guess I will not know until I first do the replacement ..........
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Post# 40574-6/22/2004-16:18 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Smelly condenser dryer
MESSAGE: Sodium Hypochlorite (Clorox) hates mold/ mildew. Wear old clothes, ventilate the room well and scrub everything suspect down.
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Post# 40575-6/22/2004-16:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I LOVE the smell of "fels-naptha" soap, still available and the old smell of vintage WISK, if you can find a bottle that has not gone bad ............
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Post# 40576-6/22/2004-16:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Sears "big bucket" powder HE detergents smell clean and simple and work great too ............ "just my two cents" :)
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Post# 40577-6/22/2004-16:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I agree, alot of new detergents are "sicky sweet" and smell like some sort of candy syrup ....... nasty ........
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Post# 40578-6/22/2004-16:25 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (Polishes and Professional Methods)
MESSAGE: Austin:
To polish most bright metals, there are two polishes that are similar, and will do a terrific job. One is called Wenol (pronounced VEE-knoll), a German polish you can get through Williams-Sonoma. It brings up a very deep, bright shine. The other is Simichrome, which a lot of better hardware stores carry. It's pretty similar to Wenol, although I fancy I can see a little better shine with Wenol, which could just be my imagination or brand preference or whatever.
But polishes can't do much for pitting; the pits go through the chrome layer, right down into the base metal underneath. They're actually holes in the metal. The best resource for taking care of them is a restoration company specialising in work on classic cars. Just like vintage appliances, older cars used a lot of chrome-plated pot-metal castings (there are over 300 pounds of them on a '58 Buick!), so these guys are very familiar with what needs to be done. They're able to fill the pits in the pot metal, and then re-plate so that the item looks identical to new. It's expensive to have this done, because a lot of hand-work and very picky buffing are involved, but it can be worth it when restoring something rare, or when show condition is really important. Car shows very often have judges who can spot inferior chrome restoration by eye, so the best companies are a real cut above the rest.
There are lots of these companies around; search Google for 'chrome restoration'. One place that has a good rep is Nu-Chrome, at www.nu-chrome.com (like below); they are supposed to be experienced in repairing pitted pot metal.
It's up to you how far you take it, but your chrome can be restored like new, if you're willing to spend the bucks.
LINK: http://www.nu-chrome.com/index.html
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Post# 40579-6/22/2004-16:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Don't forget about Ajax.
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Post# 40580-6/22/2004-16:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Even though it is a strong scent, I do like the smell of Ariel detergent. Also Seamist Lavender Fabric softener; very light & lingering fragrance!
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Post# 40581-6/22/2004-16:40 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: If you could somehow spin the motor in the spin direction(whichever way that may be, it would probably spin. The capacitor works in both directions depend on how voltage is fed to it; one way to agitate; one way to spin. On those frigidaire washers the motor is under a tremendous load on spin start-up so it might be difficult to get it to spin manually. Capacitors are usually used on motors that start under a load. Sometimes bad or grounded start windings will burn up the capacitor; that usually means a bad motor!
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Post# 40582-6/22/2004-16:50 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: I agree. For the $$ Sears HE powder with oxyclean is excellent! Can't beat $10. on sale for a bucket of HE. And you can reuse the bucket!
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Post# 40583-6/22/2004-17:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Tide, Oxydol, Dash and Vintage Downy for me...
Looks like someone should take a chemistry class on scentmaking and sell them on Ebay!
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Post# 40584-6/22/2004-18:07 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: It is important to use detergents designed for washing machines. The use of additional phosphates may not be that great for the washer. Detergents include ingredients to "protect washer parts".
There used to be a greater difference in cleaning ability between the different types of washing machines, front loaders usually doing a poorer job. With the modern detergents, you can practically throw the clothes in a bucket with the detergent and it will clean. It's all of those enzymes to eat the body oils and surficants to loosen the dirt.
That said, I too would like to bring back the classic scents, less perfumy.
I use Tide Free, no added scent, but still has a smell, not bad at all, and Tide with bleach for whites, still like to add some Clorox if those whites are really gross.
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Post# 40585-6/22/2004-19:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: How was the track record on the Maytag Combos when they were new, and how long did they last? This really has me curious.
--Austin
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Post# 40586-6/22/2004-19:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Axion)
MESSAGE: I too liked the old Tide scent. The earliest one I remember is from the '70s. Was this the same scent as from the '60s? Also, if I had a second choice, I loved the smell of Axion (detergent booster). I think it disappeared about 10 years ago.
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Post# 40587-6/22/2004-19:41 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Ive just tried my first Tide-clean breeze and Ultra Downy-clean breeze and like them very much. Not too much fragrence but they still smell clean, not as strong as Gain- island fresh that I had been using.
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Post# 40588-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Yes you can start the motor by spinning its shaft in the direction you want it to go-There is some legend that farmers used to start very large irrigation pump motors by spinning them with an overiding clutch on a tractor PTO.I can speak from expereince-The motor and its cap may be OK-but the motor may be trying to start a defective load-the load is keeping the motor in its start cycle too long.Start windings and caps are for intermittent start duty.Both heat up VERY quickly if the motor cannot overcome the load.Some years back-at the power tool repair shop-an exterminator had his pump operated pesticide sprayer at the store.He was complaining the units pump motor was burning up caps.Turned out the motor was trying to start its pump againt high back pressure. I tried to start it and watched the motor start-it took an abnormally long toime to get going.-several seconds.I found the pump and motor worked normally if the spray gun was purged of back pressure before starting the pump.The pump then started normally. Told the user of this-no more burnt caps.You would think the makers of that peice of equipment would have been aware of that problem.
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Post# 40589-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Peter, I forgot about the old ALL powder scent. That was great. I remember Punch as if it were yesterday. That was my Mom's main brand in the '70s when I was a little kid. At the time, it was a bargain brand. She used to get a family size box for about $1 (from our local Chatham supermarket - another memory). It had a very mild scent - I can smell it as I'm writing this, but can't really describe it.
Pete
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Post# 40590-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (Nevr-Dull !!)
MESSAGE: Nevr-Dull Magic Wadding Polish
It's a can of wadding (cottinish fiberglass stuff). You rip off a piece and polish the pits away (almost). Works great on my car bumpers jukebox trim, appliance chrome etc.
Available at better hardware stores.
Ken D.
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Post# 40591-6/22/2004-19:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I also remember the old Wisk was a cloudy bright blue color instead of clear dark blue like it is today.
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Post# 40592-6/22/2004-19:52 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs)
MESSAGE: As far as I know, everybodys combos were dogs. Hot air and water seals don't go together.
Ken D.
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Post# 40593-6/22/2004-20:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: In addition to Tide, which I am sure everyone wants,I will take:
Wisk
Fab (Original - not that lemon stuff)
Cheer
Oxydol
Punch
Ajax
All
Rinso (Blue and the later version with Color Bleach)
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Post# 40594-6/22/2004-20:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I have said that right along too Greg. And I will never understand why the manufacturers cannot or will not reproduce the classic scents but continue to kill us with more varieties of the same brand. Witness new Tropical Fresh Tide, Whitewater Fresh Gain, and Spring Magic Fab, Fresh Linen Cheer, Citrus Breeze All and well, you get the picture........
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Post# 40595-6/22/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: The start torque of a cap start motor is larger than that of a non cap split phase motor.The extra torque from the cap start motor makes them good for hard to start loads such as Washers-esp spin cycle,Air compressers,refrigeration compressors.The disadvantage to cap start motors is that do do draw a LARGER amount of current to start the load.You have to pay for that higher start torque.Most instances if the motor doesn't take too long to start its load-the standard size breaker or fuse is OK.Single phase lines are limited in the size of motors they can run.The starting equipment in the motor(start winding,centrifical switch,and cap)makes them more expensive than a same HP 3 phase motor.There are "boxes" availabe that can start and run 3ph motors from a single ph line.Usually limited to less than 3HP.They do contain start caps and start relays.Your explanation below is excellent.To reverse the rotation you reverse the polarity of the start winding.In most cap start motors the winding is acceseble for this.I had to build a reverser system for a small conveyer belt that used a small cap start motor.
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Post# 40596-6/22/2004-20:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: I remember that Punch became a price sensitive brand around 1975 - then the packaging changed from the black letters to the red letters and I recall the Giant Size box was $.74 and King Size was $1.12. Still smelled the same as the original Punch which was only on the market 3 years before all that phosphate madness happened in 1972-3. Hmmm. ... I have heard of mad cow, perhaps there is such a thing as mad phosphates.....
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Post# 40597-6/22/2004-20:49 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Even though it may not be universally liked, I vote for vintage Gain (pre-1990s).
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Post# 40598-6/22/2004-21:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Hello there,
I can say that I have had the chance to use 3 Lady Kennmore combos, and until you have had the chance to use one of these, don't say they are all dogs.
They are amazing machines. Especially for the time period that they were made. I have used two gas combos, and one electric. I drool for one!
There was not really any seals on these. Only one was at the outside of where the door met the lock. When you open the door, you are really at the inner part of the drum. There is not a gap like the new front loaders between the actual wash tub and the case.
These are amazing machines.
I think that the only one that did not do very well was the Maytag combo.
All of the other american brands are still easy to fix if you have the time and knowledge.
I just know that I want one!
Brent
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Post# 40599-6/22/2004-21:24 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: dream machine found
MESSAGE: I picked up a 1957 Kitchen Aid portable top-load DW today, (SPECIAL THANKS TO CHRISR WHO FOUND THIS FOR ME!!!!!!)with the rounded corners, big chrome vent in the front on top, center timer dial lower front, with push down start button just under lock handle in front. One long wash, two rinses, forced hot air dry. Can't believe how QUIET this machine is !!!!, Kitchen Aid were way ahead of their time I think. Took pics and will post along with others soon. Am so excited !!!, My mom told me I use to put my ear to this machine through most of the cycle when I was 18, I mean 2 (hahahahahaha). I have previously posted a photo of me age 2.5 with the DW in the background. The machine was sold when I was around 3. I tried to upload that photo but received an error message that the pic was to big. So I will just post the photos I took tonight at some point or if anyone wants to see the pic I am referring to I can post it in my yahoo album.
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Post# 40600-6/22/2004-21:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I love the smell of "Lavender Sachet" fabric softener in the purple bottle, I guess one could "run" with that statement, but lets not, at least not here ....... hahahaha ............
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Post# 40601-6/22/2004-21:30 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: well I will start with the capacitor ........ if the motor is STILL bad how will I know or will the new capacitor just burn out quickly and how quick whereas its not like I will be using the machine everyday .........
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Post# 40602-6/22/2004-21:32 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: "Additional phosphates may not be great for washer", < WHY ?? what do they do ?? I thought softer water was better for any machine ....... I do know that bleach can wear and eat at machine parts and be corrosive ..........
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Post# 40603-6/22/2004-21:36 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: I use sears HE Ultra Plus in my front loader. It has a nice scent to it. I think Costco detergent has a nice and close to Tide scent. The one in the box with enzymes not the bucket. I just bought a box of Cheer Fresh Linen Scent to use in my Maytag. I just opened it up. A little strong but I am sure it will be nice when laundry comes out. I just e mailed Tide Fabric Care at Proctor and Gamble and asked them if the original or 1950's scent would be revitalized, available or what it was derived from. Think I will get the answer? I will let you know. Remember White King soap flakes. I can no longer find it. That soap smelled so good. DRMitch--are you enjoying your Maytag machines. I like the pink control panels you made up for them. See ya! Dano
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Post# 40604-6/22/2004-21:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: yea ..... Arm and Hammer and ALL liquids are not bad at having a traditional type scent ..... I am not sure how well they perform ....... although I have used the reg scent ALL liquid and it worked well .......... but man oh man, with some today, between funky, fruity smelling detergents and then trying to find a complimentary smelling fab soft ......... gheeeeezzz, ok, I will shut up, sorry, I know I beat this topic to death :)
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Post# 40605-6/22/2004-21:40 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: wow, fascinating to me, I LOVE learning and reading this stuff, thanks to ALL who have helped me (us in applianceville) with this valuable info .......
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Post# 40606-6/22/2004-21:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: yes, exactly, WISK is all my mom ever used, whereas she always washed everything in warm water, cold rinse and did not like the way some of the older powder det. would not dissolve well ......
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Post# 40607-6/22/2004-21:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: what year did this agitator come out and what years was it used in Kenmores ?? I also recently had it pointed out to me that most or all vintage Whirlpool machines were a gray (white speckled) tub, whereas the Kenmores were always solid white?
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Post# 40608-6/22/2004-21:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Who first came out with an 18lb. capacity tub and what year?? Was that one of the very first steps towards "enery conservation"? The tubs did seem to "grow bigger" throughout the 60's with regard to GE in particular having a 14, 16, then 18lb. tub ...........
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Post# 40609-6/22/2004-21:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: I've lost track-what is the motor powering?-can it be isolated from the load?Can you try to start the motor unloaded?This will tell you if the motor and cap are OK. If the motor c an't start unloaded then its would be the motor itself(bad winding) or the cap.If the motor is connected to its load-is the case that holds the start cap abnormally warm or hot?Can you smell something "bujrning"?Does trhe motor take longer than a few seconds to start?If the cap is marginal the motor may start no load or light load.If the heavier load(say spin cycle of a washer)than the motor may not start it.Also overheated start caps may make a hissing or frying sound.That is the electrolyte under too much pressure from overheating and about to vent.The vent is usually on the end of the cap where the terminals are.
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Post# 40610-6/22/2004-21:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: another thing to check besides the cap-if the motor is reveresed by the device it powers-Is the reverser switch or relay OK?
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Post# 40611-6/22/2004-22:00 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I guess I shared a little too much with that one!
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Post# 40612-6/22/2004-22:00 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: the washer is "empty", no clothes or water to slow/weigh it down ........... motor will NOT start at all, no bad smells or sounds, just a motor hum, unless I grab the tub and turn it to get it to agitate where I can then stop the moving tub and it will still agitate, if I turn the tub the other way "as to induce spin" ......... NOTHING ........ the cpctr is leaking clear fluid or is "wet" near the cap ..........., one of the terminals is literally corroded right off and fell off when I took the cap off the capacitor.
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Post# 40613-6/22/2004-22:01 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Yes Brent, Combo machines in the 50's and 60's were wonderful. I am partial to Bendix and or Philco-Bendix Duomatics as my uncle was a Bendix sales and repair man in Glendale Ca.for several years. They were awsome machines, engineered well and made like tanks. I enjoyed helping him take them apart, put them back together and test run them out behind the shop. Those were the days when people had machines rebuilt. He also rebuilt Whirlpool and Hotpoint machines. We hooked a garden hose on the pump and when the pump opened it drained into the gutter. Can't do that these days. Pollution or gray water not allowed in the streets. Bendix did have a rather wide door boot like todays front loader machines. Bendix had a pretty good suspension system with shocks and springs. I took apart a Kenmore one time and was amazed that their suspension system was a side to side wobble governed by a air pump lever situation. If the balance was off much it would hit the lever let the air out of the pump and slow down the spin. I think if I remember that is how it went. They were also very well engineered and beautiful machines. Too bad they all went out of style. I think the early front load machines (48bendix) left a bad taste with the lady of the house. They used soap or detergents in the late 40's thru mid 50's that created too many suds, clothes floated rather than tumbled which provented proper cleaning. Using less product forced inferior cleaning. When low suds detergents hit the market I think it was to late. And we all know the best sales tool posative or negative is word of mouth. My mother and aunt both loved their Duomatics though. One used Dash the other All. I can't believe at one time I had access to all of those machines and now days can't even find one for my garage. Dano
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Post# 40614-6/22/2004-22:01 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: what is a reverser switch? in the motor itself right ? along with the relay ?? ........... I first will replace the capacitor and go from there .......... will keep you all "posted", no pun intended ........... ok, ok, bad joke, hahahaa.........
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Post# 40615-6/22/2004-22:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: That's an easy one (but probably not the answer you expected :)! The Norge FL (CR Tested Nov. 1950) held an amazing (for that time) 18 1/2 lbs. of clothes, when the others held only 8 or 10! What's even more amazing is that it wasn't rated "Acceptable", and CR really didn't have anything to say about washing efficiency, neither positive nor negative, which probably made it "average" in that aspect. However, since it was a front-loader, had to be bolted down, and held an unusually large load, it was the worst tested at spin-drying.
As for top-loaders, I think Montgomery Ward (as well as the other store brands at that time) was the first to offer an 18 lb. capacity tub. If my memory serves, Greg mentioned something about his '68 MW being an 18-pounder, but I'm not positive. Did GE start making an 18 lb. tub during the 70's?
--Austin
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Post# 40616-6/22/2004-22:04 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I think kenmore/wp had an 18lb washer around 67/68. There is a pod of the w/p that comes up occasionaly. I really think it was a response to the consumer wanting larger capacity.
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Post# 40617-6/22/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds like a WONDERFUL machine! KitchenAid was way ahead of its time in the fact that they used spray arms (which were more effective and got rid of the chipped impeller problem), a feature that other dishwashers wouldn't see until the 70's. Can't wait to see the pics!
--Austin
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Post# 40618-6/22/2004-22:14 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I remember growing up being born in '65, that for many years there were NO front loads available at all to buy or being made except for Westinghouse correct ?? Didn't Westinghouse always make a FL washer? but all the other manufacturers ceased FL in the late 60's ???? .......... Then the FL started being re-introduced when ? early 90's ? Pretty soon I hear there will be no top-loaders being made anymore ...... making the ones we all have even more special ........
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Post# 40619-6/22/2004-22:14 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: I think it depended on where in the line. most bol and mol kenmores had the white stipple tub. Some basic machines had a dark navy blue tub. Our '64 LK washer had the white tub, as did tol w/p (Imperial, Mark series)
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Post# 40620-6/22/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: Vintage Kenmore machines weren't always solid white. Check out the 2002 SRVAA Convention video and there is a good clip of a mid-60's near-BOL Kenmore in action (with Uni working the controls), with a grey speckled porcelain tub.
--Austin
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Post# 40621-6/22/2004-22:16 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I want to say yes, I have a late 60's I think GE that is a 16lb. and a '77 that is an 18lb. .........
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Post# 40622-6/22/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: Westinghouse made a "normal" (with a MANUAL WATER LEVEL DIAL--the lack of this is what bugs me about today's FL's; I like sloshy, splashy, sudsy, high-filling FL action!) FL until 1992 I believe, judging by early 90's Consumer Reports articles. The Neptune came out in 1996, and Frigemores came out in 1997. So that means there must have been a 5-year lull in FL production. More information is appreciated.
I remember looking at somebody's photo album and there was a '65 LK Combo, but I'm not sure. Maytag's infamous, complicated, repair-prone combo was made during the early 70's.
--Austin
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Post# 40623-6/22/2004-22:23 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Austin, YES ............ I am so THRILLED!!!!!, the machine is near MINT condition, racks and porcelain interior are MINT !!!, there are two narrow upper racks and a third, wider-middle upper rack, all removable and of course you can remove the lower rack if you need to clean out the "strainer" that collects food particles ......... interesting story, a man my dad knew won this DW on a TV show ....... it was considered a top of the line DW of its time and he won so much stuff that he would have had to pay some hefty taxes on these so called "gifts" so ..... he sold most of his winnings off to help pay the taxes and my dad bought the DW for my mom for less than wholesale price but he does not remember what he payed for it ............ ("stay at home")mom said she used it every night where she had three kids and cooked three meals a day ....she LOVED it ......she said she was the first in our neighborhood to even have a DW ...... back in the fifties, I guess that was considered a "luxury" item .......
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Post# 40624-6/22/2004-22:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: However I thought GE's largest through the 80's & 90's was a 16 lb. tub (the sure-fire way to detect this was a 7" backsplash instead of a 6" on the old-style control panel with toggle switches instead of chrome pushbuttons). They also had a standard capacity, which held 14 lbs.
--Austin
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Post# 40625-6/22/2004-22:28 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I have to agree, I do like and prefer a sloshy, splashy front load like what I see of the vintage stainless Speed Queens at the local laundromat ........ I may make an offer to try and buy one of those machines whereas they only have three left and they are in good shape considering they are at least forty years old. Supposedly if you choose the "soak" cycle on the new WP duet, if offers a max fill "up to the bottom of the door" .....
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Post# 40626-6/22/2004-22:29 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: hmmm, maybe my late 60's GE is a 14lb and not a 16lb, whereas it has chrome pushbuttons and not toggle switches ...... but my '77 says 18 right on it, I think ??? gheeezz, now I will have to go and double check ........ hehe
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Post# 40627-6/22/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Most likely the capacitor has nothing to do with the motor not reversing, that would be a timer issue. But start with the capacitor Greg and see what happens, its only a $4.50 part, so its cheap to experiment with.
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Post# 40628-6/22/2004-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, congratulations, I'm so happy for you. Oh Oh Oh that machine would be a wonderful candidate for a glass lid (hint-hint)!
Keep up posted and some picts when you get a chance please!
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Post# 40629-6/22/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (thnx)
MESSAGE: My dad grew up with 9 other people in the 60's and they didn't get a dishwasher until the late 60's--early 70's. The "dishwashers" of the family were he & his sister. They were the perfect family for the James DW though!
--Austin
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Post# 40630-6/22/2004-22:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Well guys I moved the Apex Dish-A-Matic into its new position in the main display room, cut a nice hole in my PCV drain system for it to gravity drain, hooked it up to water, installed a safe new 3-prong grounding cord and gave it a test run. Wouldn’t you know it that as soon as the motor started KABOOM, then there was a flash and a bit of smoke and the circuit breaker tripped. What happened was the motor had been grounded to its case. That means that the insulation on one of the motor windings had worn away at some point in its life and is allowing a bit of the bare wire to touch outer case. Without the 3 Prong cord the machine ran fine because there was no way to bleed the leaking electricity back to ground, although I’m shocked (pardon the pun) that I didn’t get shocked or at least feel a tingle during my restoration and test washes. I’m always careful to wear rubber soled shoes and once again this paid off. It is way too dangerous to run the dishwasher with the motor grounded like that, so I took the motor off and took it into to my motor repair shop. They are going to rewind it with brand new windings and make it like new again, unfortunately this is going to cost over $200 but for an Apex its certainly worth it. I just can’t use any old motor, because the end bell is specially made to fit into the Dish-A-Matic’s mechanism. So I will keep everyone posted to what happens next week when I get the motor back. Ahhh the wonders of restoration the excitement never ceases!
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Post# 40631-6/22/2004-22:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Is it a TL??
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Post# 40632-6/22/2004-22:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Uni that wonderful Apex DW is certainly worth every penny! I do hope you find an Apex Wash-A-Matic this year!
--Austin
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Post# 40633-6/22/2004-22:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: While I'm waiting for the Apex motor to be fixed, I'm using my trusty '56 Frigidaire Dishwasher and for those of you with your arms crossed, tisking and hmmfphing about vintage dishwasher performance, (you know who you are :) here are some before and after shots of tonights washload, and yes most of this stuff has sat in here for a few days.
Warning the before pictures are YUCKY, not for the squemish!
ps. notice where and how I load the upper bowl of the vacuum coffee maker.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_56_Frigidaire_Performance
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Post# 40634-6/22/2004-22:43 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: WOW, great idea ........... so I just go to hardware or local glass shop right ?? give them the L&W and along with accurate rounded-corner specs and how thick ?? ......... I will research this and I am in the market for a video cam or maybe a dig cam with video would that work ??
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Post# 40635-6/22/2004-22:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: I know it has to be digital in order to arrange good-quality videos in files.
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Post# 40636-6/22/2004-22:45 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: very glad you didn't get zapped ..........
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Post# 40637-6/22/2004-22:46 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: ohhhhh YESSSS !!! (big smile)
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Post# 40638-6/22/2004-22:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Yup its your cap-replace it before going any further.If you try to operate the machine without it-could cook the motor.When you were spinning to tub by hand you were doing the job the start cap and windings do-when you spun the tub-it spun the motor-causing it to start.-Like starting the old style airplanes by turning over the prop by hand.When you get a new cap-install it and then try to operate the machine again.
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Post# 40639-6/22/2004-22:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Didn't a 1960 Filter-Flo that Don (jetaction) acquired have this problem as well, and deliver a mild shock when you touched the Filter-Flo stream?
--Austin
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Post# 40640-6/22/2004-22:52 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (I can vouch .....)
MESSAGE: I had the privilege and pleasure of actually watching, yes watching through glass with a makeshift light inside the tub this DW in action when visiting Robert a month ago and I was impressed ....... you just need to make sure that all dishes face the tube ...........
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Post# 40641-6/22/2004-22:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: The 3 pin cord saved your life-the machine could have been hot--you touch something grounded and the Apex-could have zapped you.Glad you could get the motor rebuilt-looks like you are thrilled with your Apex and its interesting to see the pictures of how it works.Lots of luck with it!!
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Post# 40642-6/22/2004-22:54 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: will do ...... yea, even the very few, maybe three minutes that I ran the motor with a so-called manual start ..... it got very HOT ..........
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Post# 40643-6/22/2004-22:56 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: my '56 GE Mobile Maid has only a two-prong cord and I got to tell ya, hehaha, I don't lay a solitary finger on that machine when its running ............ does intimidate me a bit ......
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Post# 40644-6/22/2004-23:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: The reversal function would be done thru the timer to reverse the motor for spin.You will need to replace the motor cap before going any further.The motor won't start in any direction with a bad cap.I was speaking genracally before-since its a washer-the reversal would be at the timer.
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Post# 40645-6/22/2004-23:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it would be best to remove the lid and have them trace it as a template on the glass, otherwise its probably not going to fit perfectly and its going to leak. I would get 1/4" glass at least so its heavy enough not to blow off.
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Post# 40646-6/22/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Nope my videos are all analog, either will work just fine.
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Post# 40647-6/22/2004-23:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Oh I've been zapped quite a bit in my day. The very first zap I got was from the Automagic back in '96. You learn real quick how to properly ground these machines.
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Post# 40648-6/22/2004-23:20 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: Was looking for a part, and saw a link to a combo.
It appears to only connect to cold water and heat it like european machines and water condenses.
There is a link to the owner's manual and the service manual as well. The online (pdf) service manual has excellent color pictures.
The shipping was pretty reasonable, too considering the cost of gas these days.
I think the machine is Japanese but the distributor is in Greenville, SC.
Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.washerdryercombo.net/index.htm
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Post# 40649-6/22/2004-23:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: What happened there? I'm curious to see how you can get *zapped* LOL
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Post# 40650-6/22/2004-23:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: What happened there? I'm curious to see how you can get *zapped* LOL
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Post# 40651-6/22/2004-23:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: I saw the Supras when I was pricing combo machines (I have a water line right by my room so this could be possible) but didn't think anything of the fact that they were 220V. The testimonials were funny--"I wanted a washer/dryer upstairs for the guests to use and for the extra laundry."
--Austin
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Post# 40652-6/22/2004-23:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: I have some VHS-C videos of the Maytag TT and Monitor running, and there is a port for a camera-to-computer cable on my camcorder. I guess with the proper adapters and software I could digitize them?
--Austin
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Post# 40653-6/22/2004-23:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Great on line catologue
MESSAGE: Found this great sourse for pictures and part numbers. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like you can order directly but it may be a good parts number resource. It is in pdf format and I printed a page and the pictures turned out pretty good.
I am linking to the laundry section, but you can back up to the home page. (www.supco.com)
Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.supco.com/images/3%20Laundry%20Section.pdf
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Post# 40654-6/23/2004-00:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: They were only sold for a couple of years, their track record was pretty bad all around and after battling them for a short time, Maytag offered a brand new washer and dryer set in trade for return of the combos. Westinghouse also offered a buy-back or trade-in with theirs although their run was a bit longer in the combo market.
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Post# 40655-6/23/2004-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: The WP/KM and GE combos were about the best of the lot for sure. I've used both at member's homes and thought they both did a great job, the WP/KM machines were definitely better at spinning and drying (not condensing - vented airflow) so that probably would give them the edge. They were complicated though, I remember someone saying they had more parts than a Volkswagen!
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Post# 40656-6/23/2004-00:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: Correctly used, the phosphates shouldn't cause any problems in washers. There are chemical agents in laundry detergents to prevent corrosion and damage to machine parts, absent in other detergents like dishwashing, dishwasher and household cleaners which should never be used in the clothes washer. Which is another reason not to pre-rinse your dishes, the detergent will eat away the seals and parts of the dishwasher!
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Post# 40657-6/23/2004-00:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Westinghouse had an 18lb tub in the very late 60's as well as Norge and I believe GE was neck 'n neck in there too. The Sears catalog experts can verify this, but I think Whirlpool/Kenmore had a "Large Capacity" earlier in the 60's but I don't know that they actually put the "18 Pound" rating on them...
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Post# 40658-6/23/2004-00:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I think there may have been a front-loader "dry spell" much later & shorter with the WCI/Electrolux takeover, I've seen machines with the old Westy design and reverse tumble right up to '95-96 or so.
Whirlpool/Kenmore had combos from 1957 to about 1973, GE continued for a year or so beyond that leaving just Westinghouse/WCI to bear the entire demand for front-load washers. ;-) Maytag combos were only around for two or three years in the early 60's.
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Post# 40659-6/23/2004-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: That poor thing doesn't hold much, huh?
Slap away... ;-)
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Post# 40660-6/23/2004-01:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Occasionally on the POD there is a washer that is called the WP "Whopper"Is this an early 18Lb machine?When was it released to the market-?Would like to have one.
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Post# 40661-6/23/2004-01:18 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: I have a refrigerator with a run capacitor for the compressor. The terminals on the capacitor have corroded off but the refrig. still runs fine. What is that capacitor for and should I worry about replacing it even if the refrig. runs fine? Thanks for the help. Glen.
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Post# 40662-6/23/2004-01:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Georgia Washer Boyz
MESSAGE: Any of you guys in the Atlanta area want to get together Saturday for lunch.
Drop me a line at svb14@hotmail.com and I will let you know where and when.
Please put Atlanta in the subject line so it won't get filtered into my junk mail.
Steve1-18
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Post# 40663-6/23/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Run capacitors are used for power factor correction-and make the motor draw less current from the power source.It corrects for the inductive reactance of the motor.The motor may run OK without it-but it would be a good idea to replace it.The motor may overheat without it.Its rare that they fail.They are lower capacitrance value than start caps.They are in the circuit all the time the motor is energized.Run caps are generally have an oil type dielectric.A note of caution-in early electrical devices these caps could contain PCB's.Run caps are also used in Air conditioning compressers-the one in your house may have one.They were used for some larger motors as well-on power tools-I replaced a run cap on a 2 hp motor-it had start caps as well that had failed-the only run cap(other than yours) that was bad.The motor was a a "brick and Block" saw used by masons for cutting bricks.Had a 14" diamond cutting blade and a small water pump to pump water onto the cutting path of the diamond wheel.It was fun trying that one out after replacing its cap!Cut many bricks to prove to the owner that the machine was fixed.You could run the machine on a standard 15A 120V line.If you tried to cut to fast with it-would trip the branch circuit breaker.Uusually a 2Hp motor would draw about 20A from 120V.Oh-I thought of another run cap that failed-was in a transmitter blower.The blower manufacturer even gave it to me Free-He commented it was the only one he had heard of that failed.The cap could actually be considered a start-run cap.The blower motor did not have a centrifical switch.The cap actred for both start and run functions.Since the motor was turning a fan-hi start torque unnecesary in that application.
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Post# 40664-6/23/2004-02:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs)
MESSAGE: Besides the seal issue, just think of the mechanical COMPLEXITY of a washer dryer combo. More things are BOUND to go wrong with a machine that complicated. I imagine they were a b---h to work on, too, with all those parts crammed into a case the size of a regular 27" washer in most cases. Apparently, though, the Maytag combo was ESPECIALLY bad. Has anybody heard which manufacturer made the LEAST troublesome combos?
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Post# 40665-6/23/2004-02:15 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Tide, Blue Cheer, Oxydol
Final Touch...and Downey ...all pre 1980
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Post# 40666-6/23/2004-02:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (spray arm switchover)
MESSAGE: Actually, Austin, the switch to spray arms from impellers began around 1963 for brands other than KitchenAid
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Post# 40667-6/23/2004-02:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Yes, for a while Westinghouse was the ONLY company that continued to make a FL washer. CR always showed them as having a poor Frequency Of Repair record, which is surprising seeing as how the mechanism was rather simple. Also, capacity was rather small. Most people bought them because they were stackable at a time before the current "stackables" were introduced by other manufacturers.
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Post# 40668-6/23/2004-02:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Fifties?! Heck, I remember that having a dishwasher in the SIXTIES was considered a "luxury". And often, I remember people who DID have them often didn't use them, and continued to wash dishes by hand.
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Post# 40669-6/23/2004-03:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: My family's first dishwasher arrived in 1975.
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Post# 40670-6/23/2004-03:06 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (spray arm switchover)
MESSAGE: I remember my parents saying that when they got their first dishwasher....it was between a KA and a Kenmore. It was 1969...my dad insisted that my mom have a dishwasher cause my middle sister was on the way. My mom was opposed to the idea but my dad won out.
The local sears store had live tests...between Kenmore and KA. The Kenmore being D&M design with upper roto-rack.and a full spray arm on the bottom..the KA not having any upper spray arm.
The Kenmore won out big time. The roto rack...while having limited capacity...and a learned loading method......had advantages. Anything you put in there came clean. And besides that...the centrif. force after the machine stopped made sure u never had a wet bottom of a coffee cup..or grit.
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Post# 40671-6/23/2004-03:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Vintage dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: I may only have 30 year old memories, but I distinctly remember how poor the performance was of my Grandmother's 1963 spin tube Frigidaire. Hers also had the little spray arm in the top of the tub. Back then, my daily breakfast was a bowl of Malt-O-Meal and it simply would not get the bowl clean, even when washed the same day. In hindsight, I blame the short cycles rather than the spray tube technology for the poor performance. But, even vintage dishwashers probably perform much better with today's detergents. I noticed you were using Cascade, one of the top-rated brands, so it probably makes up a lot for the short cycles. The 1962 Kenmore 600 TL impeller-type machine I'm using now temporarily seems to clean much better now than when I last used it about 10 years ago.
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Post# 40672-6/23/2004-03:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM (zapping)
MESSAGE: Last time I got zapped was by my 78 LK, stupid me simply forgot to unplug it when checking a connection. Was not quite "zapped" one time when working on a KM electric combo in the 70's, it has "leakage" that gave me that "humming" sensation without actually making me react like getting shocked
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Post# 40673-6/23/2004-04:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 56 Frigidaire loading
MESSAGE: tsk, tsk what's this? Sharp knives in flatware basket with blades up? :-)
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Post# 40674-6/23/2004-05:42 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, Thanks for the compliment, I`m enjoying them very much.When I got them the control panels looked like new except for some spots where bleach(I guess)damaged the paint and when I went to buy paint I saw this pink and thought it would give them a bit of the 50s look. See ya!
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Post# 40675-6/23/2004-06:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Vintage dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: I have heard that too, i.e. in point ..... my '56 GE mobile maid does not perform as well as my '60LK, both top-load impeller type machines, but the LK has longer wash/rinse times than the GE, AND the LK has a "super" setting for BOTH the wash and rinse to put either at a full 15 minutes .......
I think VERY 150 degree hot water makes a big diff too .....
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Post# 40676-6/23/2004-07:18 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: Yeah it might sound OK but read the fine print 11lb to wash 5.5lb to dry.You end up with piles of washing waiting on the dryer. Inherited one similar with the new house but it broke down very quickly. I went back to FP.
Peter
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Post# 40677-6/23/2004-08:02 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Just picked up a bucket of this detergent yesterday at the Sears catalogue store on sale for $9.99. After reading what you and gregm say about it, can't wait to try it in the old Kenmore.
Dick S
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Post# 40678-6/23/2004-08:33 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Hi Dano-I'm curious. You write that the boxed Costco detergent smells a bit like Tide. Do you mean the present day "original scent" Tide or the old Tide?
And YES!!! I do remember the old White King Flakes! That is really the earliest soap smell I can recall. My grandparents used it in their old Thor wringer and I used to step up on a box and lean over the edge of the tub to smell that odor wafting up to my nostrils. But I think my classic memory of it is opening up the soap cap on to top of an old Bendix and smelling that old White King mixed with Clorox and La France Bluing all doing their best to produce the whitest 100 % cotton sheets that were then hung out on the line to dry. By the way, this old Bendix was in Petaluma!
I think it was in the early 60s or maybe even the late 50s that they introduced the White King D which I didn't like at all. I kind of forgot about the Flakes as by that time I was hooked on Tide which has remained my all time favorite.
I called the company last year and was told they no longer make it and from what I hear it was only deistributed in certain regions. I remember Safeway carrying it on their shelves much longer than other supermarket chains.
I'm also curious about the reply you will get from Proctor and Gamble. Maybe if enough of us write in, they just might put a little serious thought into this matter. I for one would love it!
Dick S.
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Post# 40679-6/23/2004-08:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: Greg-Growing up around these old machines I would generally use this rule of thumb. The lower priced models of both Kenmore and Whirlpool had the gray or sometimes black and white speckled tubs and the higher up the ladder you went in models, the more likely you were to see a white tub.
Dick S.
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Post# 40680-6/23/2004-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, no it holds a fair amount, just right actually for the three of us (dog dishes included). Can’t you fit all your dishes in your spray tube dishwasher? Oh dear, I’m sorry, I just remembered you don’t have one ;)
ker-slap, hmmmmph!
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Post# 40681-6/23/2004-09:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Let me know what you think, for me personally one scoop (comes with scoop inside bucket) in a front loader is plenty. I even only use one scoop in the vintage Kenmores and Whirlpools or maybe two for heavily soiled loads whereas its "HE", it prevents "suds-locking" ...........
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Post# 40682-6/23/2004-09:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: I am anxious for gregn's reply ......... hehehe, some early fireworks in applianceville .......
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Post# 40683-6/23/2004-09:59 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Hey there,
I have adopted a Westinghouse front loader from our wonderful member Steve 1-18. I have had loads of fun with it. I am actually shocked at how much this machine can wash and spin. It can hold much more than most of the top loaders that I have had over the years. It washes very well. My only complaint is that I wish the spin was faster.
Does anyone know if the spin was faster on the models that had the reverse tumble? I know that Steve 1-18 said that a friend of his asked him to take a look at her machine. He was totally shocked when he pulled off the back of the machine. It was totally different in mechanism, although the outside of the machine looked the same.
Brent
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Post# 40684-6/23/2004-10:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Bob Amerman (Appnut),
Happy Birthday to you!!! I hope you have a wonderful day, especially on this very special occasion!!!
Louis
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Post# 40685-6/23/2004-10:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: When I was growing up in a newer area, pretty much everyone had dishwashers. I never knew until much later that they were considered a luxury by some, and surprisingly still are in some circles even today. I suppose it's all a matter of your budget and what you've become accustomed to. Personally, I'd make minimum payments on a Sears card for who knows how long before I'd ever go without one.
I understand monetary limitations, but I've never quite gotten that whole "don't like it, don't use it" thing. Maybe it's different when you haven't had one, but to me sink washed dishes just don't pass muster on many levels. I deal with it for a few days up at the lake, but that's about it. Fortunately they have super hot water for rinsing. My roommate doesn't like dishwashers and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it out and puts in another cabinet when I move out. The other day my mom was telling me about her neighbor in Arizona who never used hers and took it out so she'd have the little alcove for her cat food bowls, LOL.
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Post# 40686-6/23/2004-10:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Happy birthday Bob!! Maybe today you can finally replace the Shredmore with a vintage BD ;-)
Have a great day!
--Austin
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Post# 40687-6/23/2004-10:49 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Best wishes from Rhinnie and me.
I will wash a load in your honor, today!
Steve1-18
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Post# 40688-6/23/2004-10:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Bob! Happy Birthday to you dear friend! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Louis! Must add this to my calendar. I'm not sure, but thinking this might be an "extra special" birthday this year for Bob. (30?) ;-)
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Post# 40689-6/23/2004-11:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: I really don't like the reverse tumble on today's FL's and non-stacking Westys; it takes away from the water drama (just like the automatic water level control on modern FLs does...). As for spin performance, I know CR complained about water extraction when they tested one in the early 90's. The capacity of an FL is always misleading when you look at the interior of one. I was surprised how much I could fit into my aunt/uncle's Frigidaire (Frigemore) FL, even though it had a relatively small tub.
The ultimate Westinghouse "dream FL" I would like to find is the "Taller Tumbler" washer, made in the late 60's I believe. Pre-WCI, great features such as high water levels, small depth, no stooping to load, and a storage drawer below it. I'm not sure if these reverse-tumble or not; I'd take one even if they do!
--Austin
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Post# 40690-6/23/2004-11:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Everything old is new again. Westinghouse always made a f/l washer, also the spacemates that you could stack and the taller tumbler with the draw below. I have a late 80's spacemate under the Gibson name and you are correct. I love the way it rolls the clothes through the water and does not reverse! I do wish spin was faster and the clunk of solenoids was quieter- scares some ppl that are not used to it. Water levels are controlled today because of energy/water usage issues. If I'm not mistaken, the older f/l really didn't use that much less water considering the size load that they could hold. But it is great to watch!
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Post# 40691-6/23/2004-11:20 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Happy day, Bob....... and you know what I mean..... :) SteveD
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Post# 40692-6/23/2004-11:23 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Hey, Although I'm not sure of the spin speed, the reverse tumble washers were the forerunner to the current 1-belt drive Frigidaires, and not the old pulley and belt design of Westinghouse.
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Post# 40693-6/23/2004-11:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Hey Bob, happy Birthday! Are you putting candles on an agitator today?
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Post# 40694-6/23/2004-11:24 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: and can someone refresh my memory? I seem to remember that it was necessary to "discharge" a capacitor to avoid a nasty shock.......inquiring minds wanna know, and I dont want to see Gregm go sailing over my house......
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Post# 40695-6/23/2004-11:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (Happy Birthday)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Bob
Have a jet action of a day
Peter
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Post# 40696-6/23/2004-11:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday Bob!
MESSAGE: Have a wonderful day Bob!
Brent
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Post# 40697-6/23/2004-11:53 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Sorry, this is a long post, but this is a fascinating topic.
I wonder if there has ever been research done on this. I don't think that there is any other appliance that has such a psychological effect on people. I think that, dishwasher-wise, people can be broken down into three main categories:
1. People who cannot imagine life without them.
2. People who use them, but do not trust them (and often, when pressed, cannot explain why, and put a sudden stop to the conversation with "I JUST DON'T!").
3. People who loathe them. These people have all sorts of reasons why--they can do a better job themselves, they use less water washing them in the sink, etc. When confronted with scientific fact to the contrary, they get tight-lipped and hate their dishwasher even more.
I find group #2 to be the most annoying. I used to think that the mistrustful group was an older demographic (my grandmother, for example). But a well-educated 30-something woman I know bought a house which has one of the second-to-last Hobart-design KitchenAids. As I watched her carefully rinse off her dishes in the sink, I told her that she didn't need to do that. She said that she was sure I was right, and some day she'd "experiement" to see. On another visit, she informed me that she had tried not rinsing, and sure enough, everything came out perfectly. But then she rinsed her dishes that night. "I though you said they came out clean without rinsing?" "Oh, they did. I think I'll just do this anyway, though." "But you're just wasting water! And if there's no food soil for the detergent to work on, it will just eat your glasses instead!" "Really? Hmm. Well, I think I prefer to rinse them, anyway."
Another story--my partner's mother has always been a rinser. Actually, more of a prewash and prerinser--with dishwashing liquid in the sink. When we met, Todd didn't even have a dishwasher--"They don't do a good job." So I found a mid-90's Kenmore UltraWash III at the salvation army ($10) and hooked it up. We didn't rinse anything that went in this machine. For about a year, after every load, he'd examine every glass under bright light and gloat whenever he found the smallest speck. But after awhile he stopped doing that and became a believer. Then this last thanksgiving he went to his parents' house and after dinner he decided to demonstrate how well her 3-year-old Maytag would do without rinsing. She balked, but he did it anyway--even put the roasting pan from the turkey in. Todd pointed out that even the manual FOR the dishwasher said not to prerinse, but she would not be swayed. She continued to protest, and eventually was in tears at what Todd was doing to her dishwasher. Literally crying that he was going to ruin it. Of course everything came out perfectly clean, but to her, that's just lucky coincidence. And of course that's further proof that my "mother-in-law" is mentally ill, but that's another story. :)
T.
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Post# 40698-6/23/2004-12:10 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (Happy Birthday Bob)
MESSAGE: Have a great birthday Bob. Hope your new year is full of lots of happiness, great friends and much fun.
Sincerly
Dan and Family
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Post# 40699-6/23/2004-12:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds " normal" prerinsing dishes, but " weird" when you prerinse clothes!)
MESSAGE: I compare pre-rinsing dishes that really don't need it to running every single piece of dirty laundry under hot water. Wasteful and completely unnecessary as well. However, if a frying pan is really dirty, I usually scrub it with an SOS pad before putting it in the BOL "plastic" Hotpoint, which, in my opinion, is the crappiest dishwasher I have ever used. The top spray arm is so weak it's not even funny.
As for clothes, I don't pre-rinse them, obviously ;-), but if something is really dirty (like my sister's grass-stained jeans), I spray a liberal amount of Spray 'N Wash on it and use the "Heavy Duty" or "Regular" setting, depending on which washer I use.
--Austin
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Post# 40700-6/23/2004-12:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Or better yet, an agitator-shaped cake!
--Austin
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Post# 40701-6/23/2004-13:09 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,
best wishes from Germany too. I hope you have a great day and a new year full of great washers.
Kai
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Post# 40702-6/23/2004-13:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: I'm holding out for a Tappan spinning drum dishwasher...
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Post# 40703-6/23/2004-13:15 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Interesting Greg. In Southern California most people dry with gas. The Duomatics I ever saw were gas fired and vented. Could dry a load of towels in about 30 minutes. I had never seen a condensor combo until I saw yours. The whirlpool and Kenmores I would think may have cleaned alittle better because of less water and the fact it sprayed the clothing throughout the washing process. Bendix had a habit of everything rolling up in a ball. Especially sheets. I have not seen a GE combo. I would like to see one in action.
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Post# 40704-6/23/2004-13:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday Bob!
MESSAGE: All the best Bob!
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Post# 40705-6/23/2004-13:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I always thought Norge was the first top-loader to do 18 lbs.
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Post# 40706-6/23/2004-13:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: new capacitor WORKS !!!! > :)
MESSAGE: Well first I called "Allied" and the woman who answered the phone, although very nice, had no clue and told me I needed to provide her with # ohms, composition (makeup, i.e.-carbon? film?), and something else, so I said to myself "oh brother", actually I said something worse TO MYSELF, then I called "GRAINGER" and low and behold they have a location just 15 min away in north WORCESTER, but you have to have an acct. but the guy was cool and I gave him the name of one of my business accts right down the street from them and he said "that'll work!" so I picked up the capacitor for $3.50ish and ALL he asked was the MFD range ........ I just hooked it up and now the machine runs GREAT !!!!!, all is well ..... thanks to all who took the time to give me your advice and help, such an EASY fix that could have been alot more time consuming due to my lack of knowledge. Not only is the turquoise WCD-65 back in operation but I am also the wiser/smarter too. -gregm
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Post# 40707-6/23/2004-14:09 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I am not sure what possess's people to rinse or wash their dishes before placing them into a more than capable dishwasher. My cousin and her husband remodled their kitchen last year and a friend give them her "Estate" by Whirlpool dishwasher because she had bought a new one. Well needless to say my cousin loves having it with 4 kids and adults. However her husband complains that his water bill has shot thru the roof. While he is complaining that his bill is so high,he is most efficiently rinsing every single piece before placing it into the machine. I asked him why he is doing that since it was not necessary. He says that he can't stand the thought of food particles floating around in the water. He even went as far as acknowledging that he knew the machine had a soft food grinder that would take care of scrapes. But he still refused to stop rinsing. So I cooly told him that " It must be nice having all this money to throw away on a water bill" He didn't like that too much. Well that was my 2 cents worth.
Chris
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Post# 40708-6/23/2004-14:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: my mom does and has always done the same thing, thank god she only used literally half a teaspoon of det (brand-finish) at the very beginning, never in any other "det cups" whereas otherwise the det would have just "eaten" the dishes and DW components ......... I don't get it, she still does this and she literally rinses them clean, not just a quick squirt ......, it is definately psychological I guess. I just scrape excess food/garbage off, thats it ....... well I guess we all have our peeves ..........
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Post# 40709-6/23/2004-14:21 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: to late, hehehe, I already installed the capacitor and everything is working perfectly thank god ........ glad I did not get "discharged" so to speak ..........
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Post# 40710-6/23/2004-14:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds )
MESSAGE: I agree, if something is really burnt/baked on, I will try SOS or simply soaking in hottest water with dishsoap overnight ..... then dump out water and place right in the DW. Even my sister takes after my mom with the "pre-rinsing" thing, I think I can persuade her it is not necessary but my mom, nope, .........
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Post# 40711-6/23/2004-14:35 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?!
MESSAGE: Gansky--- A Tappan Spinning Drum whatsit? Is there really such a thing or are you and Uni having one over on us? Is this like the 'muffler belt' I had installed in my car a few years back? LOL
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Post# 40712-6/23/2004-14:39 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds )
MESSAGE: You know I have found a trick that maybe other people know about. I always keep a small bottle of Liquid-Gel Cascade on hand(I always use Cascade Complete powder). When I have a baking dish or something that has really burned on gunk I squirt some of the detergent on the pan and rub it in. I then place it into the dishwasher and leave it sit for about 30 minutes.Then start the dishwasher. And every single time the pan comes out sprakling clean and not a spec of burned on balck stuff left. Just a helpful hint if anyone wishes to try it. Maybe good for those of you who have the vintage machines.
Happy dishwashing! :-)
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Post# 40713-6/23/2004-14:39 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Burnt Pans)
MESSAGE: What we do is take burnt on pans and sprinkle with baking soda and cover with water let soak while loading the dishwasher (about 10 minutes) then scrap out the burnt on and then wash.
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Post# 40714-6/23/2004-14:57 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I'm not fortunate enough to own a vintage dishwasher. Some day I'll have a vintage kitchen (wouldn't sit well where I am now) with vintage appliances.
Now having said that I admit to being a number 1. In my opinion it's called a DISHWASHER for one reason, and if it's not doing its job it either gets fixed or kicked to the curb, and replaced with one that does what it is supposed to do. I have a Bosch Integrated model, and while I'm not thrilled with the racks (I'm a KA lover from way back!), it does wash well!
My mother is between 1 and 2. I know it's because of the dishwahser she had in the 50s. It was a Youngstown dishwasher (her first) and they didn't do a very good job according to her. She now has a TOL KA and still rinses. Tears my heart out every time I see her do it, but she's 81 I figure let her do her thing. She deserves it!!
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Post# 40715-6/23/2004-15:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas)
MESSAGE: Ohh, that sounds very cool Greg. I think another neat find would be a Preway gas dishwasher, the only dw ever made to use natural gas as a heat source. Then I could say "now your dishwashing with gas".
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Post# 40716-6/23/2004-15:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I'm a "one" for sure, even if I had to use a carocelle counter-top water pressure powered dishwasher.
LINK: http://www.carocelle.com/dishwasher-portable.html
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Post# 40717-6/23/2004-15:06 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Robert,
Does that model heat the water? We had one similar to yours, except it had a spring door like an oven and a big dial that I think you pushed to start the machine. I remember having a Younstown Top loader dishwasher with the spray tube down the middle, then the Frigidaire with front loader with the tube between the racks and from there, she has always had kitchen aid. Funny story, when they moved into the house they are in now in 1969 there was a Westinghouse dishwasher in the kitchen and my Mom refused to use it. Within the first week it was replaced with a Kitchen Aid Superba. She only recently replaced it and it wasn't because it didn't work it was only because she remodeled and wanted a newer model.
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Post# 40718-6/23/2004-15:10 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mom is also between #1 and 2. She would never live without one and does not doubt it's ability......
To her it's just the mere thought of the dirty dishes in there....she can't deal with it ...so she rinses and then complains that she has to replace her drinking glasses once a year cause of the etching.
Her never living without one I think has more to do with the fact that the machine hides dirty dishes from piling up in the sink.
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Post# 40719-6/23/2004-15:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Appnut Birthday
MESSAGE: Very Best Wishes to You on Your Special Day of the Year!
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Post# 40720-6/23/2004-15:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: My New LG!
MESSAGE: Hi guys I just received my new LG combo yesturday. I know I am not supposed to discuss in this area. Sorry I was so excited so I was able to post a few photos in the sandbox photos under Peters LG if anyone is interested in checking out and I will continue discussions in the sanbox.
Thanks
Peter
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Post# 40721-6/23/2004-15:42 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: GE FL Combo
MESSAGE: Had an old condo back in '79. It came with a GE FL Combo in the kitchen. I recall it could only hold small loads of towels or other heavy fabrics, or it would stall. I had no mechanical trouble with it and it had obviously been there since the condo's were built in the mid 60's. Had a relative with one who had it over 20 years. Don't know if there was ever any trouble with it. Wished I had kept mine!
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Post# 40722-6/23/2004-15:42 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE:
What drives the Kenmore roto-rack?
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Post# 40723-6/23/2004-16:03 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE: a hose or tube connected directly to the pump went up the back corner wall off the dishwasher tub. This was connected to a a spray tube that protruded about 1/2 way under the roto rack. Water was sprayed directly up for cleaning and to the right (if viewed from the front of the machine) for rotation. Roto rack rotated clockwise if viewed from top.
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Post# 40724-6/23/2004-16:20 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I would never be without a dishwasher. I had actually considered a Carocelle once. I recall someone saying that they worked rather well. My first apartment was a studio in the upstairs of a house. I felt like Mary Tyler Moore. My upstairs neighbor's name was Rhonda, which was almost as good as Rhoda--plus she was salty beyond her central Illinois upbringing. BUT the Dwyer kitchenette had a miniscule bar-size sink. I had to put a dishpan on the stove (which was immediately next to the sink) to wash in, then rinse in the sink. There was NOWHERE to stack dirty dishes, and if company came spur, I would put the dirties in the oven. One night, after living there for 2 years, I started the dishes too soon after cooking and melted a spiral hole into the bottom of my dishpan. That's when I bought my first vintage appliance, my formerly avocado KitchenAid KDS-17A, at the Salvation Army for $20. It was completely orange inside with iron deposits and the racks were dire, but for $20, I didn't care. The iron stains came off rather easily with a Scotch-Brite blue scrubbie, and I fashioned some portable-type hookups with hardware store paraphernalia. I was even able to bolt a 2x4 piece of oiled plywood to the top, which TRIPLED my counter space. Friends used to bring their dirty dishes over in laundry hampers (we were in college--nobody had dishwashers). By apartment #2, I had found a KDC-17 portable with BEAUTIFUL racks at the salvation army. I bought it for $40, swapped the racks, then sold the portable to an acquaintance for $50 (I'm not a heel--he insisted on paying that much--i tried to GIVE it to him). The Superba has followed me through 4 apartments and two towns since.
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Post# 40725-6/23/2004-16:51 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (GE)
MESSAGE: The only GE combo's I remember were top loaders,made I believe by WCI. I did see one oddball TL combo GE,where the lid folded,instead of lifted up. Don't recall who made that one.
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Post# 40726-6/23/2004-17:31 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE:
Thanks for the reply. I assumed the rotation was driven by the water jets but wanted to ask...as a child I thought it must be driven by a springy metal belt or something! I grew up with a'59 KA with the cast iron washarm, then a (yuck) '79 WCI. The WCI washarms were always getting plugged with food particles.
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Post# 40727-6/23/2004-17:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (GE Combo; Portable Variations)
MESSAGE: The GE FL Combos were made during the 50's and 60's. The washer/dryer was in one unit, not stacked. John Lefever has a 1966 model with a condenser dryer.
As for the "folding lids", I've seen Kenmore, Whirlpool, and Montgomery Ward (WCI) machines where the plastic lid is 2-piece. Btw, there are many variations of the GE Portable Automatic Washer; an impeller machine made during the 70's by Hitachi (which I have), a direct-drive version made during the early--mid 90's by Whirlpool, a Spacemaker Portable made by WCI in the 80's (folding-lid model), a TOL Spacemaker Portable (also Japanese-made I believe; has either a regular straight-vane agitator or "Pulgitator") with touchpad controls, and finally a machine (probably WCI as well) that's basically a rebadged present-day Kenmore portable. Controls vary among the machines.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/General-Electric/GE-Combo-JohnL/GE-Combo-JohnL-Exterior.jpg
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Post# 40728-6/23/2004-17:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Vintage Hotpoint Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: Both work great! Machines in overall good condition, and by looking at the emblems on the control panel, washer has the "handwash" 2-piece agitator. $50. California.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3823453711&rd=1
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Post# 40729-6/23/2004-18:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Great condition, restored, repainted Monitor washer. Gravity drain on this one; pump-equipped machines really don't work that well anyway and are also wheel-driven, so the bearing freezes up more often and needs constant attention. The only problem with this machine is that the impeller needs to be kick-started for the motor to run. I've looked at the motor on my full-size Monitor, and I don't see a starting capacitor on it, so I'm dumbfounded on what could be causing this. Interesting impeller and drain variation; no screen necessary. Can't miss this one!!
My full-size Monitor will probably be on eBay by the end of the summer, with a white powdercoated tub (corrosion evident on steel) and working pump (for now...LOL) .
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3684816160&rd=1
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Post# 40730-6/23/2004-18:28 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: We got our first dishwasher in 1961. My mom was a nurse and thought the diswasher was like a sterilizer, with the hot water and detergent. It was from Wards, but looked like a KA inside. Did not have a stainless interior, but one big stainless arm in the bottom. We did scrape and rinse, but the machine actually washed pretty well. They had that machine probably for about 15 years.
I got my own in 1968 at a garage sale for $15.00. It was a top loader with the impeller wash action, obviously from the 1950's. I've been trying to remember the make. It may have been a Hotpoint. It had a chrome loop handle in front that you would twist to open the top, it was not one of those that slid out. I used this machine at several different apartments and different roommates, in San Francisco, but it worked quite well. It was great to have a dishwasher when there were roommates, I didn't mind loading and unloading it, and it kept the sink clean. And I do think the impeller machines used less water. I kept this machine until 1980.
I bought a house and a portable machine from Sears. When I remodeled my kitchen, I put the faucet adaptor on the bathroom sink and washed dishes in the hall next to the bathroom. After the kitchen was done, since the machine was convertible, I built it in.
Where I live now I replaced the BOL Hotpoint from the 1980's with a 2000 Kenmore with Ultrawash System. It was made before the change in detergents and only takes about 45 minutes to wash. And it does fine with the new detergents. The Hotpoint did a lousey job even though it had like 4 rinses, because there was no filter or disposer, plus it started leaking from the front of the door.
Now I wish I had the top loader, for my collection.
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Post# 40731-6/23/2004-18:32 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I bought our first dw 14 yrs.ago.It was a Whirlpool portable model DP8700XT.This was one of the last of the enameled tub machines.My father to this day thinks it is a frivilous appliance,...even though it has washed the grungiest caked on dishes spotless without pre-rinsing time and time again.
Holidays are the only time these days it gets used and even that is rare.I myself would use it everyday if i could but we do not generate that much dishes.My mother was a convert in no time,but now it is relegated to a part of the kitchen where it sits becoming a table to put things on.
I stressed to my parents that this is more efficient than handwashing and the results are far better,.....but like everything else old habits die hard. I guess it is easier to wash as you go as opposed to fill the machine over time.
Pat
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Post# 40732-6/23/2004-18:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mother from the start never did prerinse or prewash with the 1975 KA . . and of course, neither did I. Scraping heavy soil, yes. I guess she understood the machine was intended to wash dirty dishes.
One of my sisters, however, does basically wash everything before loading, with a soaper/scrubber at the sink. The few times I loaded up at her house, she gasped in horror, so I try to do it quickly when she's not looking, hehehe. Of course, all the machines she has had are very low-end GEs or Hotpoints, with center towers and no filtering system, so I can kinda see her point.
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Post# 40733-6/23/2004-18:57 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I just wanted to add that i noticed that the last several times i used the machine,coffee cups do not come out as clean as they used to before.I pretty much use hi-temp wash and the normal cycle.
Do these self cleaning machines need to periodically have the filters checked? or is it the age of the machine (bought in 1990)? Otherwise it still does a great job for the most part.
I really want to hold on to the machine for as long as i can.
ThanksPat
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Post# 40734-6/23/2004-19:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Wow! Glad the cap fixed your washer.Great that you found one-saw your earlier entry-You ended up getting it from Grainger.Once they get to know you-then its not much of a problem.I know the manager of the one near me.The place I work for does a lot of business with them.The old cap would not need to be "discharged" since its bad-can't store or hold a charge.
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Post# 40735-6/23/2004-19:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: In most motor applications-no.The cap has a path of discharge when the motor is stopped.Run caps can use the windings as a "bleeder." In start caps-the closed start switch and start windings and run windings serve as a bleeder.In some HV electronic applications-yes.They can store a lethal charge.The transmitters I work with are a good example.I take a grounding hook to each and every oil deielectric cap I see.Some do have a charge--KWAPPP--as you touch it with the ground stick.Broadcast Transmitter caps can be VERY dangerous.Around the house-the pix tube of a TV can store a good charge.It acts like a cap.Sometimes caps in microwave ovens can store a charge.Back to motor run caps-newer ones have a bleeder resistor built into them-NEC code requirements.Same with caps used in HID lamp ballast circuits.(HID lights-High pressure sodium,Metal halide,Mercury vapor)Its a good practice to ground out caps in circuits that are malfunctioning.
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Post# 40736-6/23/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I confess-I too am a dish scraper-rinser.Guess I got it from my mother.I have a newer KA machine-the owners manual with says indeed you can put dishes in it without scraping or rinsing.Tried it once-the dishes came out with little "specks" on em-had to run 'em thru again-this time OK.My machine has an especially hard time with rice.Its grinder pump won't shred it and just spits the rice all over the dishes.Back to scraping and rinsing!I guess dishwashers make poor garbage disposers-least mine anyway.
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Post# 40737-6/23/2004-19:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Wonder if the machines motor has a bad centrifical start switch.the switch should be closed when the motor is stopped.This connects the start winding to the line when power is first applied to the motor.If the start winding was bad-the machine would usually trip out the line breaker or fuse-Good thing to check though.
both the switch and start winding can be checked with an ohmmeter.
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Post# 40738-6/23/2004-19:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Our 1993-95 BOL Hotpoint has had problems from day 1. When we bought the house in 1998 (built in '67) the inspector wrote on the list that the dishwasher (and In-Sink-Erator disposer) didn't work. Our plan was to buy a Kenmore Ultra Wash (new at the time) with matching disposer. The disposer was dead, however, I tried the DW and sure enough, it worked fine. After 2 years, it started leaking below the door, which had a bad seal. Somehow, it mysteriously stopped. Now it's leaking again...this time out of sight, causing the laminate floor in the kitchen to rise. It's pretty much beyond repair now, so when we replace the floor, the dishwasher will go too. Hopefully a Bosch will replace it...
--Austin
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Post# 40739-6/23/2004-20:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: you had one of those "builders Brand" Hotpoints as well-When I moved into the house in NC-it had the "BOL" Hotpoint.It worked OK-but replaced it anyway with the KA Supurbia.The KA is much better.The Hotpoint was NOISEY.Sounded like a tractor in the kitchen.I did see a "classic" KA washer at the Habitat For Humanity" store-$15 bucks-just might buy it for the heck of it!
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Post# 40740-6/23/2004-20:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: This machine definitely isn't quiet! :)
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Post# 40741-6/23/2004-20:38 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: love the POD 6-23-04
MESSAGE: ATOMIC EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!, hahahaha ........
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Post# 40742-6/23/2004-20:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (porc or enam ?)
MESSAGE: I think the FL GE combos from the 60's were porecelain and not enamel ...... I am almost positive that my '66 is porcelain front .........
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Post# 40743-6/23/2004-20:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack (but)
MESSAGE: true, but my '60 LK has a roto-rack but no tube, just the impeller in the bottom ...... supposedly there is some centrifugal force generated with the impeller and the upper rack may turn some but not like when they installed the short tube underneath then the rack would really turn and cleaning improved in that rack dramatically ........ what year did they start with the tube ? 62 ?
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Post# 40744-6/23/2004-20:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (WP dw's)
MESSAGE: I think WP in the 70's and 80's made a GREAT dw that even baked/burnt on stuff came out sparkling, I previously had a 1970 top-load portable that cleaned really well.
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Post# 40745-6/23/2004-20:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Bendix POD
MESSAGE: So what year is it?
(Tongue in cheek)It's so obviously superior how could anyone even CONSIDER buying a different brand?
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Post# 40746-6/23/2004-20:55 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (thnx-fixed))
MESSAGE: yes, thank you again, I am so glad, what an easy fix .......
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Post# 40747-6/23/2004-20:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: you know, I even noticed very quickly today when I reached down in front of my new TV that I got/felt static electricity from the screen as I reached down to turn it off instead of using the remote. Didn't old TV's emit "static electricity" as well where you could get a slight "shock" ?? .... it was a very dry day here today too with no humidity, but what causes the static buildup in a TV whether new or old ??
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Post# 40748-6/23/2004-21:00 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Everybody's Combos...woof but wow!)
MESSAGE: I didn't mean cause a fuss, combos are really neat thing to have in a collection. However, what I meant to imply was that most of them had a poor service record. I don't think you would find too many original owners that were happy with them, and I know that a GE Factory Serviceman would run the other way when he saw one. A guy around the block from me had a Bendix combo, and he ran it into the 1970s untill the serviceman would no longer visit.
To see one of these old mosters in good running condition in a collection is 'the most'.
Ken D.
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Post# 40749-6/23/2004-21:02 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: My sister bought a brand new "In-sink-erator" DW in 1987, replacing an early 50's undercounter Hotpoint that did not work, (wow-if I was only into this stuff as much then, I would have saved that Hotpoint), anyways, although noisy and a Whirlpool made machine, it did a PHENOMENAL job cleaning anything you put in there, I recently found one in mint shape especially on the outside and picked it up for $35.00 .......
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Post# 40750-6/23/2004-21:11 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mom seems to be a 3, at least with her Magic Chef
portable. To her, it's a counter for the microwave
and occasionally a place to store steak rolls. Wanna
use the dishwasher, Mom? "Ah, ya have to unplug the
microwave!" "I can't find the faucet thing!" (The old
aerator; the dishwasher won't hook up to our new
faucet.) "I could do it faster myself!" "IT'S A PAIN
IN THE A**!!!"
We had an interesting incident yesterday when I
decided to use the dishwasher. As Mom rattled off all
of the above, I rolled the machine away from the wall
--forgetting to unplug the microwave that sits on top.
Long and bizarre story short, the prongs broke off the
microwave's plug, one of them lodging in the power
outlet. Oops.
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Post# 40751-6/23/2004-21:14 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: I thought the in-sink-erator brand from the 80's were Kitchenaids.
Have run into a few now and then. Thought it had a sideways latch instead of the usual K/A drop type latch, it did have the 4 way hydrosweep. They also had the reversing motor like the later style K/A. Up until my present d/w I always liked Whirlpool brand because of the silverware in the door;thought that was a brilliant idea!
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Post# 40752-6/23/2004-21:34 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Hee Hee Hee!)
MESSAGE: You guy are too much!
I bet you would pick it up if you saw one Greg, and gave a consumer type report on it! I would love it!
Brent
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Post# 40753-6/23/2004-21:37 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
When I first heard about this dishwasher, I was just like you.
It did exist however at one time. I don't know of anyone that has one, or used one for that matter.
Sounds interesting dosen't it?
Did consumer reports ever report on this rare machine?
I would love to just see, and hear one work.
Brent
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Post# 40754-6/23/2004-21:40 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas - Norge?)
MESSAGE: I think a childhood friend of mine had this dishwasher under the Norge brand.
I remember hearing the burner kick in, and the whole thing would click and ping from the heat of the burner. I used to love to load their dishwasher and run it to hear this. They loved it when I came over after meals. Kinda funny when I think of it now. Or...kinda strange. Nah....I would still do it.
Anyone know anything about this.
They actually had it for a long time.
Brent
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Post# 40755-6/23/2004-21:42 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (porc or enam ? What???)
MESSAGE: You have A GE combo?
When did I miss this post!
Man....you have some stuff!
I also don't remember any pics of it.
Brent
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Post# 40756-6/23/2004-21:45 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Everybody's Combos...woof but wow! No No No)
MESSAGE: Ken,
You did not stir a fuss at all. Just great conversation.
You know, I ran into a guy here that worked on these machines from when they were new, till not long ago. He told me that some of the homes in the "finer" parts of Atlanta actually had two Lady Kenmore combos. He also added that the owners would do anything to keep them running.
I am keeping my eye out.
I can't imagine how many of these have gone to appliance heaven.
Brent
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Post# 40757-6/23/2004-21:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM (Oh MY!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Glad that you are okay, and found about this now!
Also glad that you are able to get the original moter re-wound. This is such a beauty! I can't get over the wash action from a "propeller" type machine!
You did a wonderful job with it! And so FAST!
Glad you did not get shocked.
What would we do without you!
Brent
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Post# 40758-6/23/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Hi Ralph, yes the '56 Frigidaire keeps the element running during the entire cycle to help keep the temperature of the water and the interior of the dishwasher very hot.
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Post# 40759-6/23/2004-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: new capacitor WORKS !!!! > :)
MESSAGE: Wonderful greg, congrats, doesn't it feel good when you brought and old machine back from its long sleep? You both must be very happy :)
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Post# 40760-6/23/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas - Norge?)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I didn't realize that Preway made dishwashers for Norge, learn something new every day.
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Post# 40761-6/23/2004-22:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: The first dishwasher I was familiar with was owned by the family one of my Great Aunts worked for, it came with the house they bought. It was a GE Mobile Maid. My Aunt would never use it, it would only get used when she took me with her on the job. Since I HATED doing dishes, I was THRILLED that there was a machine that actually did the onerous chore It was eventually given to her, but she never used it, and gave it to my OTHER Great Aunt, who never used it, either (she was also the only Aunt to own a clothes washer, first a Kelvinator and then a KM) and had no dryer). After I moved out in 1971 and into an household with 2 other guys and it soon became evident that dishwashing was going to be a problem, I went and got it from the second Great Aunt and it became the first of 3 portables we used over the years. After the GE came a Westinghouse impeller-type that had a pump moter that wouldn't always start, then the Kenmore 600 I'm currently using temporarily. After we re-modeled the kitchen in 1978, we got the first Solid State Kenmore dishwasher, which we still have, but I think I'm going to retire it because the cost to get it up and running again is going to just be too much, needing a relay board, timer, and racks (I also have the portable version of this dishwasher). In the time between 1978 and now, the Kenmore 600 was loaned to various friends, who would give it back to me when they moved. The Solid State KM will be replaced by a perfectly functional 1988 WP Solid State "re-modeling victim" that a friend grabbed for me off a parkway.
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Post# 40762-6/23/2004-22:36 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack (but...u are correct)
MESSAGE: I know D&M made an impeller DW for sears but I have never seen one. The only inmpeller machines I've seen "live" were Hotpoint and GE.
I was born in '66 and my grandparents got a Hotpoint built in in '68...spray arm version with spray tube for top rack behind silverware basket. My parents got MOL Kenmore in 1969 ..POrtable but had full spray arm under bottom rack. We moved in '72 and they bought a '72 LK..all pushbutton ...with roto rack....I loved that dishwasher...More lit up wordS than the space shuttle.
72 LK had lit up words to indicate the water temperature
COOL/NORMAL/DELAY AND SANI underneath ...the whole cycle sequence lit up at the start and the lights when out when that portion of the cycle was finished...WASH/RINSE/RINSE/WASH/RINSE/RINSE/DRY
There was a toggle switch that let u dry for 13 or 26 minutes...this was of course before energy saving cool dry.
That machine lasted til 1980 and we...parents, myself and sisters have had Maytag dishwashers ever since.
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Post# 40763-6/23/2004-22:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: I think it's because the early dishwashers DID require pre-rinsing, again because of the short cycle times, inferior detergents of the times. Unfortunately, even after dishwashers and detergents had improved to the point where pre-rinsing was unnecessary, the habit had become ingrained, just like having to see suds in a clothes washer. The ad campaigns finally convinced people that the sight of suds in a clothes washer was unnecessary for clean clothes, but the fight goes on with pre-rinsing dishes.
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Post# 40764-6/23/2004-23:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (burnt-on stuff)
MESSAGE: I usually dishwash first, then spot clean afterward. And I've been known to run a piece through more than once, if it's item that probably won't be called for before the next load is run. That's how much I hate doing anything by hand. If I do soak, then I use hottest water and dishwasher detergent, rather than dishwashing liquid. The detergent manufacturers often recommend this method on the box. Sometimes I will open the machine during the wash, check an item I think might not get clean, scrub any stubborn spots, then put it back in for the rest of the cycle.
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Post# 40765-6/23/2004-23:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: Today I bought a 1980 RCA 10" B&W TV at the thrift store, and it's in great shape (pulls in a great picture too), but the sound is dead to the world. I've checked the connections (I had to open it up to remove the broken antenna), power/volume control, cleaned the speaker, etc., but nothing happens. I'm surprised that I don't even get static from the speaker when I turn the power/volume knob. Before I take it in for repair, does anybody have some suggestions on what might be causing this? I know some of you are familiar with TVs, so I thought I might ask. It's your garden-variety 80's B&W TV with dial tuner & UHF control, and I bought it to replace my boring 9" TV/VCR combo, which doesn't seem very realistic when I'm using the 1983 Atari.
Thanks!
--Austin
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Post# 40766-6/23/2004-23:11 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting washer I found today less than a block from my place, on it's way to the crusher. I took pity on it and rescued it, as if I need or have room for another!! Take a look. I won't post a picture of the inside as it's absolutely disgusting and I don't want to traumatize some applianceville members.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/13@60's%20GE%20Filter-Flo@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 40767-6/23/2004-23:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: If it was a vacuum tube television I could help you out Austin, but I don't know a thing about solid state tv's.
You might try Audio Karma, they have a vintage solid state tv discussion group...
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums//index.php?s=c436163194e9278ed69ec1f6effea059
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Post# 40768-6/23/2004-23:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Oh Eddy, that's very fun, and yes you need another washer :)
Go ahead please traumatize us with an interior picture.
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Post# 40769-6/23/2004-23:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Well I'm at it again, I'm sure you guys are just sick of these disgusting dirty dishes pictures, but hey I'm amusing myself.
Here I put the 1953 James Dishwasher through a couple of painful wash tests, it is a fun dishwasher though...
ps. I promise I go back to clothes washing after this :)
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_JamesSweepFlow
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Post# 40770-6/23/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: The "pix tube" or CRT in your TV needs to have a high voltage supply in order to make the electrons emitted by the tubes electron gun hit the screen causing the phospors of the screen to glow-making the picture.All TV's old or new have the HV supply-part of the Horizontal scanning circuit-to generate the HV needed for the picture tubes anode.Most color pixture tubes today need anywhre from 15-27KV for the anode supply.The flyback transfomer generates this voltage and in new sets a multiplier circuit rectifier genrerates the DC voltage.In old TV's a tube type rectifier was used.The older flyback generated the full HV voltage and the rectifier converted it to DC for the pix tube.During dry days the HV generates lots of static electric.Thats what you feel when you put your hand near the screen.Humid days suppress this by bleeding the static off from the moisture in the air-the moisture conducts the static charge away.That also why TV screens attrtact dust-You have an electrostatic dust collector there.I have the same problem in the transmitters I deal with their HV attracts the dust out of the air and it coats the HV parts.Will cause a sereious arc over if it isn't cleaned out.The TV I have now is a CRT rear projector-I am wondering how much dust is on the INSIDE of it.The "pix tubes" in my set project their image on a screen.On any of the direct view sets I had dusting off the screen was a regular thing-otherwise the picture was very dull looking.
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Post# 40771-6/23/2004-23:28 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: OK Robert, you twisted my arm. But be forewarned:
1) It's missing it's agitator
2) The tub is rusted out
3) There's tranny oil spewed everywhere
Needless to say this machine will need work. I'm thinking of restoring it and I will take pictures of the process whenever I get around to tackling this one.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/14@yuk,%20this%20will%20need%20work@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 40772-6/23/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: Does the TV have a headphone or earphone jack-Sometimes the small sets like that had headphone jacks so that if the TV was in a bedroom someone could watch the TV while the other was sleeping.If it does the jack may be the problem.When the phone is unplugged from the TV the contact in the jack should make so then the audio goes to the TV speaker.Replacement jacks are available from Radio Shack.If you do have a headphone-plug it into the jack and se if it works.Ohterwise troubleshooting SS sets becomes rather difficult.Schematics and an Ohmeter.When you did have the TV opened-did you see any burnt or overheated parts?Sometimes there are fuses inside such sets for the various sections in it.See if any are in the set(usually the small glass fuses)that could be blown.From here that abouts all one can do.As one other post said-tube sets were easier to work on.
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Post# 40773-6/24/2004-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: love the POD 6-23-04
MESSAGE: It's true! The story goes that they really did these tests with radioactive material to see how well it was removed in the wash cycle.
Betty Furness couldn't hold a candle (or geiger counter) to this test!
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Post# 40774-6/24/2004-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Hee Hee Hee!)
MESSAGE: I would grab it in a second! John Lefever has told how awful they were. A spinning drum in the bottom of the tank, much like a water wheel, that splashed water while spinning. I think it also rotated while spinning and may have reversed directions as well. Performed terribly bad, worse than standard impellers!
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Post# 40775-6/24/2004-00:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Brent, here's someone waving his paw saying, "I have used one several times when I was just a youngun". My godfather moved to Houston in 1963 and their new house had one installed. Everytime I'm driving or riding on the freeway during rain, the noise the tires make with the water sounds almost exactly like this dishwasher. Capacity was ok at best. The machine would have the drum spin in one direction for a couple of miinutes, pause for a timer increment (30 seconds) and reverse. The drum would also spin during the dry cycle for forced air drying. I just now remembered that the house we moved into had the O'Keef & Merrit version of this. My dad switched it out with our 1959 Waste King and he put the spinning drum unit in our old house.
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Post# 40776-6/24/2004-00:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY! (Monitor bearing freeze-up)
MESSAGE: What kind of grease are you using on the pump bearing?
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Post# 40777-6/24/2004-01:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: My 78 KM DW would have a problem with rice if I used the "Water Miser" cycle, which would normally work fine. So, If there were dishes that had rice on them, I would use the "Normal" or "Pots & Pans" cycle, which would solve the problem without pre-rinsing. The Water Miser cycle had a pre-wash with detergent, a 20 minute main wash, a short rinse, then an extended rinse whereas the Normal cycle had a pre-wash, rinse, main wash, then 3 rinses. The extra rinses would suffice to get rid of the rice.
Oatmeal would also sometimes be a problem, solved by extending the main wash time from the default 20 minutes to 30 minutes.
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Post# 40778-6/24/2004-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: Even new CRT TV's generate static electricity on the face of the picture tube. That's why they get so dusty all the time.
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Post# 40779-6/24/2004-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (WP in door silverware basket)
MESSAGE: CR didn't think much of the silverware basket in door idea, though I forget exactly what they said
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Post# 40780-6/24/2004-01:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound (no sound)
MESSAGE: make sure speaker itself doesn't have an "open", either substitute a known good speaker, or disconnect one wire and put an ohmmeter across the speaker.
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Post# 40781-6/24/2004-01:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Curbside)
MESSAGE: Well, even if you can't ultimately keep it, you wil at least have saved it for somebody who CAN keep it. I've been known to get washers from the curb, fix them, and give them away to needy people.
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Post# 40782-6/24/2004-01:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Robert, I never tire of these tests with vintage machines. I'm one of the few that loves dishwashers too. My feeble mind has forgotten when James dishwashers were pulled from the market.
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Post# 40783-6/24/2004-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound (no sound)
MESSAGE: Excellent point-the TV could have a bad(open) speaker.
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Post# 40784-6/24/2004-01:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: I had mine set for the "normal" "saniClean" cycle.The machine would stay in the wash cycle longer and heat the water.Even with that it still had trouble with rice.I also have mine set for the "saniRinse" cycle that would heat the rinse water.It also ran in the rinse cycle longer.My machine had two other rinse cycles as well-it would fill breifly-then run a few min,drain,then refill again and rinse breifly before the main rinse.
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Post# 40785-6/24/2004-02:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: I suspect the secret to getting rid of rice is extra water changes, rather than longer wash times/hotter water. Detergent may make a difference, too, the Cascade Complete seems to live up to it's claim to "dissolve" food particles.
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Post# 40786-6/24/2004-04:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Hotpoint Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: Greg,
This set is just screaming, 'bid on me Greg, bid on me; I want to go home to Omaha.'
Steve1-18
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Post# 40787-6/24/2004-05:26 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Love that sweep flow! Very interesting machine. Don
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Post# 40788-6/24/2004-05:26 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Love that sweep flow! Very interesting machine. Don
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Post# 40789-6/24/2004-05:31 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: I have mom's old 1969 convertable DW with rotorack. Haven't used it in a while, mainly because even though I keep the water heater at 140 degrees, the water temperature indicator wouls stay at cool the entier cycle unless I used the Sani wash.
The thing that has always bugged me about that machine was that the Sani wash was a normal wash with a final rinse that delayed until the water reached 150 degrees.
That was until yesterday. I opened up that sucker and uncovered the timer. I turned and turned and turned the knob, studing the cams until I figured which on was for the timer delay. Fortunately, it was a cam that had no other responsibilities and the heat delay was a indentation on the cam.
I turned the knob around several more times trying to judge exactly where I wanted there to be a time delay during the second wash. Then I took a wire cutter and made a little cut in the cam.
I put the machine back together, loaded it up and ran it on Sani wash. Now it works the way it should! About 5 minutes into the second wash, the delay light comes on tha the machine continues to run until the WASH WATER temp reaches 150 degrees.
The extended wash, along with the hotter water does a fantastic job.
Of course, with the longer wash cycle, the water in the pipes cools down so by the fianl rinse the temperature indicator is back to cool, but it seems in no time the temperature is back up to 'sani' in the final rinse.
I am very satisfied with my modification and will probably start using this machine more often, now.
Steve1-18
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Post# 40790-6/24/2004-06:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (error msg)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, congrads on the find, maybe its me or the timing, but I cannot get access to your link/pics ....... I keep getting an error message ........
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Post# 40791-6/24/2004-06:40 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: wow, impressive, good for you, "mr. handy-dandy" ..... :)
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Post# 40792-6/24/2004-06:47 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: I always liked the in door silverware rack too.It gives so much room to a machine that has a wash tower in the middle.I wonder what consumer reports rated whirlpool DW's for cleaning in the 60's and 70's? The model i have even cleans burnt on food.I have no complaints about the cleaning ability of my machine...the slight drawback is when using hi-temp wash option, the machine takes over a half hour alone for the main wash and the final rinse is long also.
All in all,Whirlpool made/makes a great dishwasher.
Pat
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Post# 40793-6/24/2004-06:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I'll buy one right now! If one is to believe the ad "mother" certainly had it good if she was able to get one of those in 1937! NOT!
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Post# 40794-6/24/2004-06:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: That looks like a cool find. Congrats.!
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Post# 40795-6/24/2004-08:01 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: For some reason this didn't come through the first time, I swore I put this in, but who knows.
LINK: http://www.laundrylist.org/art/
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Post# 40796-6/24/2004-08:06 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: I picked up a Westy FL with the oval window in late Arpil. I got it mainly for washing items like rubber shower mats, etc, that usually "float" on top of the water and don't get sucked down into the water by the agitator.
It works and washes fine but I totally agree with you about the spin. The clothes come out so wet. I've wondered about it but not until I saw your post did I decide to write about it.
I'm sure it's a mid to late 70s model and I'll tell you it's so heavy with those concrete counter balancers that I'm not that all motivated about moving it to get the model # off of it.
Dick S.
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Post# 40797-6/24/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Getting the Vapors)
MESSAGE: Catch me I'm getting the vapors. A little work and it will be like brand new again, congrats eddy!
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Post# 40798-6/24/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, glad you are enjoying the pictures. I have no idea when the James was discontinued, I really have no info on this company except for a few magazine ads.
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Post# 40799-6/24/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (error msg)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I need more info than "an error message". What exactly happins when you click on his link, and what browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc.) are you using, do you know the version number???
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Post# 40800-6/24/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (Great Idea)
MESSAGE: Very cool or should I say hot modification Steve. I always thought the James should do a sani-wash and not a sani-rinse too, heating the water first before the wash begins.
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Post# 40801-6/24/2004-09:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY! (Monitor bearing freeze-up)
MESSAGE: I can't get the pump apart (no visible fastener) so I'm going to oil it and leave it as it is. The pump impeller is fairly easy to turn already, which means the oil will probably do the trick. When I took the pump off there was hair, lint, thread, etc. in there that I had to wash out.
For the agitator bearing on the Tabletop I use regular machine-type grease. Works great and is pretty quiet as long as the washer is on a padded area; you can spin the impeller with one finger.
--Austin
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Post# 40802-6/24/2004-09:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Looks pretty good cosmetically, but I know it will need a full restoration.
--Austin
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Post# 40803-6/24/2004-09:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: You have a Maytag Jetclean. The "Sani-Clean" and "Sani-Rinse" gave it away!
--Austin
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Post# 40804-6/24/2004-09:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: I really don't "look into" the dirty dish pictures :).
As for the performance, it looks like it's very powerful. It doesn't seem to clean as well as the Frigidaire or Apex, however, it looks very entertaining to watch, especially with the Sweep-Flow wash action!
--Austin
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Post# 40805-6/24/2004-09:52 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Somewhere I've got or had an owners manual for the spinning drum under the TAPPAN label. When we were building houses in FL in the late 70's we used TAPPAN appliances and the sales rep found me the booklet. The installation instructions made it VERY clear that the unit must be level (or it would wash even less well). CU did a review on this unit (I think). I remember reading about it, can't remember when.
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Post# 40806-6/24/2004-10:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: How exactly did this work? I'm lost at the "water wheel" part...my guess is that it's a horizontally mounted vaned drum that kicks up the water.
Does anyone have a picture or illustration of this strange machine?
--Austin
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Post# 40807-6/24/2004-10:21 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Your James Dishwasher looks like so much fun!
Looks like lot's of drama going on. I love also the way the lid pops open and all the hot steam rises out. I am sure it got humid in your basement really quick!
Thanks for the pictures.
Don't you have the clear front for your Frigidaire spray tube that sales people would use to demonstrate? I remember you talking about it, but I never saw photo's of it running.
Dishwashers are way too fun!
Brent
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Post# 40808-6/24/2004-10:23 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious! - Great Memories!)
MESSAGE: Bob,
Thanks for the memories of your dishwasher.
You are rare. I bet the only one that ever used one.
This machine would be fun to see what it "didn't" do on the wash cycle with a clear front.
Hope you had a good birthday.
Brent
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Post# 40809-6/24/2004-10:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious! - Great Memories!)
MESSAGE: Interesting that this isn't the only dishwasher where the drum/impeller "spin-dries" the dishes. Robert mentioned earlier that the impeller on his Apex runs for air drying after the lid pops open and the cycle is complete.
--Austin
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Post# 40810-6/24/2004-11:07 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Our '72 LK had a normal temp sani temp button
in addition to normal wash...there was a Power Wash cycle
Normal wash with sani temp delayed and heated final rinse to 150.
Power Wash without Sani temp ran same as Normal wash..wash/2 rinses/wash/2 rinses and dry.
Power Wash with Sani temp delayed 2nd wash and final rinse to 150.
reguardless....cool light would always be on through the 1st wash and 1st rinse. usually by 2nd rinse or at the latest the 2nd wash the normal temp light would come on.
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Post# 40811-6/24/2004-12:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Hey, very cool (or hot?)!!
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Post# 40812-6/24/2004-13:26 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures of the latest additions to my inventory.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?&.dir=/5669&.src=ph
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Post# 40813-6/24/2004-14:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop (OH NO NOT THE FRONT PORCH NOW?!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
What amazing finds!
Does every machine have something wrong with them.
They all look like new!
I saw a board to Neptune on Ebay with a starting big of $40.00. (new)
Congrats!
Brent
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Post# 40814-6/24/2004-14:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: LOTS OF 'TAGS!
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Post# 40815-6/24/2004-15:11 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: My mother's neighbor has one of these In-Sink-Erator dishwashers that looks exactly like a KA on the inside. I don't remember when she put it in, but I know she still has it and still uses it every day. She remodeled her kitchen about 5 years ago, and liked it so well she didn't replace it. She just replaced the white panels with SS.
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Post# 40816-6/24/2004-15:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for my KA Superba in 1991, my dad had gotten one of those shopping club offers in the mail, touting "name brands for less." Out of curiousity, he called, and they said they don't carry KA but they do have ISE which is basically the same thing. By the time shipping was added, it wasn't a discount.
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Post# 40817-6/24/2004-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Steve, I have reflected on my playing with our 1973 roto we had in Houston. I do remember now, when I could get away with it, either having that pre-wash go to 155 degrees (aka WP Power Scour) or make a heated final rinse the main wash. When that happened, the delay time for the final rinse wasn't that much either. It was rare our Normal light glowed, usually Cool. And if I did get the sani-rinse button pushed, mom would eventually get tired of it running while heating and turn the knob to drain. Ugh!!
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Post# 40818-6/24/2004-17:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I've wondered many times abou that had. It's rather "interesting" that 1937 washer looked like a relative of the later WO65. Hmmmmm!!!
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Post# 40819-6/24/2004-17:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember the power wash being different than the Normal wash. Power wash added an extra wash and two rinses. Earlier LK's (impeller/roto) heated the main wash and rinse on Power Wash. I thought the Roto LKs did the same thing, but heated the main wash water.
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Post# 40820-6/24/2004-18:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: That is more or less how a friend of mine thinks. He has this very expensive Miele dishwasher. At a certain moment it broke and when the repair man came in and told him the problems was caused by him rinsing all the dishes he said yes, but ofcourse he still rinses all the dishes before putting them in the dw.
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Post# 40821-6/24/2004-18:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: LOL! Well if it was a Frigidaire ad, they wouldn't put a 1937 Bendix in there ;-)
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Post# 40822-6/24/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Great work Steve! Yes, if anything it should be the wash, not rinse, that's 150°. That defeats the whole purpose (and meaning as well) of a "Sani Wash".
How well does the Roto-Rack work on this machine?
--Austin
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Post# 40823-6/24/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Jet-Action POD
MESSAGE: Even though I prefer the 3-Rings and Jet-Cones to the Deep Action agitators, I would DEFINITELY take this TOL machine. The feature that sets it apart (and the most eye-catching) is the rapid-advance timer and separate dial. WAY ahead of its time.
--Austin
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Post# 40824-6/24/2004-18:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing!
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Post# 40825-6/24/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: No-its a Kitchenaid Supurbia-bought about year 2000.Won't buy another.
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Post# 40826-6/24/2004-19:00 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Bob,
I think your right...but later...after the roto went away there was a 3rd wash detergent dispenser with Power Wash and later Pots and Pans.
At least on our LK..POwer wash was the same as Normal unless u selected Sani Temp.
I also remember when the first sqaure top racks came out and the cycle was called pots and pans...(on a non LK) middle line...and it wash nothing more than a normal wash with the main wash heated to 150.
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Post# 40827-6/24/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: POD of the day
MESSAGE: I haven't been able to see the last 2 POD's anyone else having that difficulty.My computer won't download it.Other links work OK.
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Post# 40828-6/24/2004-19:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: Are you selecting it from the menu on the home page or from a saved "Favorites" menu? The address and program name has recently changed.
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Post# 40829-6/24/2004-19:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, yes I have the clear service/demo insert door for my '56 Frigidaire dishwasher. I was soooooo very lucky to find this on my trip to Prestin, Iowa with Scott and Greg a few years back. I has have the underwater light so I can light up the dishwasher from inside, it makes for a fantastic show, I will have to get around to filming this someday for everyone to enjoy.
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Post# 40830-6/24/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: I am selecting from the menu on the homepage and its not working.
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Post# 40831-6/24/2004-19:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: Interesting site - I'm glad to see someone working against the bans on outdoor clotheslines, I would never buy a house that had those covenants attached to it. So much for this country's energy policy, we can't have water to flush toilets or wash clothes and dishes with, but we can drive a Hummer - or two!
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Post# 40832-6/24/2004-19:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: I have a clothsline at my house-but really can't use it because of the very high humidity,birds,squirrels,bugs and many trees.-I live in the deep south.When I lived in the midwest-clothslines worked great!-the dryer air dired the clothes quickly-made them fresh.The breeze seemed to "press" them for you.Around here they are like limp damp rags.
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Post# 40833-6/24/2004-19:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Excellent work Steve - others have made modifications to help their vintage dishwashers perform better and this is a great idea too! I remember our Roto-Rack, what fun it was to load and run - even though the bottom spray arm wouldn't move during the cycle and nobody would call for service!
I'm not one to gossip behind the dishwasher door, but someone else might have tweaked their timer a little bit to make the cycle longer...
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Post# 40834-6/24/2004-19:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: Looks like you're going to have to hold a porch sale very soon! That Atlantis looks very new - did you snatch that from a neighbors porch? A word of caution: if it's hooked up to water and drain, you can't have it! ;-)
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Post# 40835-6/24/2004-20:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (KM heater)
MESSAGE: It could be that their idea of "Cool" IS 140 degrees. The heating element should be on whenever the machine is washing or rinsing in order to at least MANTAIN whatever temperature the water is when it enters the machine. Did you ever measure the temp of the water in the wash? It could also be that the thermostat that switches the lights on is inaccurate, and would say "Cool" even though the water was actually at the normal 140 degree level. The electrical schematic should specify at what temp each light should be on at, check that against the actual temperature of the water in the machine. Although your modification was a great idea, it shouldn't have been necessary.
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Post# 40836-6/24/2004-20:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Weird Tappan wash actions)
MESSAGE: and then there was their strange "spring loaded reversing spray arm" technology
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Post# 40837-6/24/2004-20:15 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That is so cool. I have never heard or seen a Frigidaire spin tube type diswasher in action! I have always been curious about these machines. That is so nice that you have that clear display front to it! I would be tempted to run it every load with on there, sitting in front of it with a cocktail. Very relaxing! How often do you use the clear front?
I have been thinking aboutyour James Dishwasher pictures all day. That is such a neat machine. I just love the pictures you posted of it. Can you hear the water hitting the cover glass as it travels back and forth? Also does it have a pump drain, or is it gravity?
So neat.
Brent
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Post# 40838-6/24/2004-20:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: '65 KA Superba (SS-ext), in great shape for SALE/TRADE???
MESSAGE: I have acquired so much lately that I need to part with a few things so I would like to idealistically trade or sell my '65 Kitchen Aid Superba varicycle KDS-15 with brushed stainless exterior and timer knob down on lower right front panel, there is a "pre-wash", rinse, main wash, three rinses, and a forced air dry. Four buttons - rinse hold, utility utensil, full cycle and sani cycle which heats the final rinse while the red light is on to 180 degrees. There is also an amber "on" light. The porcelain interior is in excellent shape as well as the racks and door gasket. It runs great,no leaks, I literally just "test ran" it tonight ........ I don't want to put a $$$ price on it because idealistically I would like to trade it for another member's appliance. Any inquiries can be directed to > gregm978@aol.com - thank you :) - gregm
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Post# 40839-6/24/2004-20:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: And what exactly is happening? When you bring you mouse over the link what address does it give in the lower left hand corner?
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Post# 40840-6/24/2004-20:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Just for the heck of it, I checked the ester charts for both my '62 KM 600 and my '78 Solid State KM. The '62 (impeller type) has it so the heater and motor are always energized at the same time. Therefore the impeller is running during the dry cycle, and the heater is keeping the water hot at all times. There IS a thermostat that is in the circuit during the final rinse, but it's not selectable by the user. I assume it's there to assure that the final rinse is at least a minimum temp.
On the '78 KM, the heater is energized during all washing and drying cycles unless:
Power Miser is selected. This turns off the heat during the dry cycle. If Power Miser is NOT selected, heating element turns off during the last 6 minutes of the 26 minute dry cycle.
Sani Temp is selected. This delays the final rinse until 150 degrees is obtained OR 15 minutes elapse. With the old mechanical timers, if you selected the Sani Temp option and for some reason the thermostat failed, the machine would rinse forever and ever and ever and the water would hotter and hotter and hotter.
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Post# 40841-6/24/2004-20:47 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Early 60's Magic Chef Gas Stove
MESSAGE: For those of you who may be interested, my neighbor is remodeling her kitchen. She has an early 60's Magic Chef Gas Stove in pretty good shape. We are in Atlanta. If you are interested e-mail me and I'll hook you up with her. (It will just end up on the curb anyway!) I can get a model number if you like. -rileysteve@bellsouth.net
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Post# 40842-6/24/2004-20:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: I'm not one to gossip behind the dishwasher door, but someone else might have tweaked their timer a little bit to make the cycle longer...
Bringing me out of the mod closet kicking and screaming will you (hands on hips:). Actually I only copied what Frigidaire did to all their dishwashers starting in '58. Changed the wash cycle from 7 to 9 minutes and the rinse cycles to 3 minutes. I'm sure it helped a bit in washability.
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Post# 40843-6/24/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: You have to laugh at this...
MESSAGE: I received this message today...
"Shaun Williams" writes,
FRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKK!
Ur a member of a twin tub washing machiene group!
FRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKK!
Twin-tubs are the best! The "freak" here is someone who doesn't know how to use a TT and gets babied by an automatic. If they lived 50-60 years ago when Easy Spindriers were the main washer of choice and automatics were expensive and hard to find, boy would they feel lucky!
--Austin
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Post# 40844-6/24/2004-20:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I just love the clear Frigidaire door, but I mainly use it for when guests are here. I pull over chairs, and some wine, makes for a great show without any commercial interuptions!
In the James you sure can hear that water going, and when the dishwasher is heating, you can hear the water right above the element hissing! Its very cool, its has a pump drain.
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Post# 40845-6/24/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Wow, what short cycle times for a DW! The only machines with quick cycles today are the Hobart professional sterilizer dishwashers (under-counter type); 180° water and a 1 1/2 minute wash & rinse time.
--Austin
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Post# 40846-6/24/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Was the James marketed as a commercial or residential machine? The reason I ask is that it has such a large capacity (place settings for 8 people). I know most families were large at the time, but dishwashers weren't popular yet.
--Austin
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Post# 40847-6/24/2004-21:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, the James was a home machine and it certainly does not hold a place setting of eight. Did you see an ad claiming 8 place settings?
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Post# 40848-6/24/2004-21:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The 1952 Consumer Reports article with the first automatic dishwasher report states, on Page 4, that the James' capacity is "about 8 place settings." For a minute I forgot where "8 place settings" came to mind! :)
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RATE%20PAGES/LIST-INDEX.htm
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Post# 40849-6/24/2004-21:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Yes I see almost all the machines rated are 8 place settings, although from my experience I think that might be a bit of a stretch. Well no wonder why the couldn't get the dishes clean, overloading!
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Post# 40850-6/24/2004-21:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Question - Parts
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
After a week of waiting my new pump came in, and I went to pick it, and some new inlet/outlet hoses and rubber feet up last night.
Its a big appliance parts store, but its a family run business. When I rang to order the pump, the grandmother (Book keeper) pulled my machine up on her computer, found the part number for the pump and ordered it for me. (Compared to other places who dont want to know about a Belt Drive WP I was impressed with that alone) I was served by the 50yo mother and her 35yo son, I found out that she had the Model whirlpirl after mine. We talked about her current Kleenmaid and had a really nice chat. They both advised me to keep the machine running for as long as possible, because nothing else on the market is anywhere near as reliable.
So after that exerience, I got home more than a little chuffed. I fitted the new hoses and when I was fitting the pump, I found that the metal plate of the back of the magic clean was missing, therefore the rubber inside just moves around. Luckily I'd found a new one during Curbside collection.
While I had the machine on its front, I thought I'd have a go at adjucting the Spin fork to try and curb the tub moving during agitate. (As per Chris's Gizmo's advice)
I moved the nut upwards (Clockwise) a few turns, tipped the machine up and it wouldnt spin. So I got back under, loosened it again and it still wouldnt spin. DOH
On further investigation, I found I'd tapped the cam bar with the spanner and it was a little too far back, so I pushed it into spin mode and its all working again.
After restoring the spin, I tightened the nut up again (I'm assuming I'm aiming to increase the space between the the cam bar and the clutch.)
Now the washer spins, it agitates ok, with a bowl twitch occaisionally rather than movement, but when the machine is off, I cant move the agitator. I'm guessing that I've gone too far in the other direction. Tonight I'm going to adjust the nut back a bit and see if the agitator will freewheel once more.
My Questions are as follows:
1)When the machine isnt in spin mode, should I be able to turn the bowl? Or Does the Brake stop the bowl moving.
2)The agitator should spin freely when the machine is powered off?
3)When in Agitate, if I spin the bowl clockwise it is slow to slow down, if I spin it anti clockwise, it stops immediately.
4) With the symptons I've described, could I have an issue with the basket drive/Clutch/Bearings?
Thanks guys
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40851-6/24/2004-21:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: It says- http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi/pict_of_day.cgi...
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Post# 40852-6/24/2004-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: The address I got was when I clicked on the link-this is what I get when I put the mouse on it without clicking.-
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/pict_of_day.cgi
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Post# 40853-6/24/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: And I imagine the short cycle times and only 1 rinse on the Apex didn't help with CR's overloading problem either. Not to get off-topic, but nothing's changed since then; they stated in the newest washer report that they've changed the tests. Instead of doing a normal 8-pound load (almost all of the washers perform well here), they do the maximum load allowed, using the least amount of water required for the load. Today's garden-variety agitator-equipped TL's just oscillate back & forth, with no special mechanisms (i.e. up-and-down, bouncing baskets, or concentric) and they certainly won't get clothes clean by sloshing them around back & forth at around 100 OPM (quick-stroke machines). Even though some good machines tested have agitators, it's obvious that they're scoring front-loaders & high-efficiency TL's on a curve to switch people away from agitators (something I WON'T do...I'll keep a BD going for 50 years if I have to).
--Austin
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Post# 40854-6/24/2004-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: Hi Rex, that is the correct link, so what happens when you click on it, and what browser and version are you using?
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Post# 40855-6/24/2004-22:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan,
When the machine isnt in spin mode, should I be able to turn the bowl? Or Does the Brake stop the bowl moving.
Yes you should be able to turn the bowl, but it should offer up some resistance.
The agitator should spin freely when the machine is powered off?
Yes, but only if the machine was first put into the drain mode before it was powered off. If the agitator cam bar is still engaged, like when you pull the control dial out (or in depending on age) to stop the washer in the middle of agitation, you will not be able to turn the agitator.
When in Agitate, if I spin the bowl clockwise it is slow to slow down, if I spin it anti clockwise, it stops immediately
Manually turning the tub during agitation should not affect the agitation what so ever. The tub should not turn at all during agitation, that would be an indexing tub Whirlpool, ooohhh shutter the thought!
Nathan, I would first try adjusting the clutch a little bit more.
Also check these out...
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Post# 40856-6/24/2004-22:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!-off topic,cr tests)
MESSAGE: Using the least water required is very bad for the clothes in the standard top loader-the clothes have to circulate in the water to get clean.If the washer is not filled enough-the clothes just get paddled around-no cleaning action at all-think they would know better.-As well as the short rapid stroke transmissions won't help matters either.More "tilling" of your clothes!!I DEFINITELY don't want any part of the New "water saving" clothes mangling TL machines offered today.Stock on older BD TL machines.However the adjustable water deph is helpful-no need to fill the washer all the way for a few forgotten things.Again -lets get the Govt out of the laundry room!!!
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Post# 40857-6/24/2004-22:36 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that info Robert, I really appreciate it
The tub shouldnt move of its own accord during wash, but should I be able to move it by hand?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40858-6/24/2004-22:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (place settings)
MESSAGE: Does CR define what a "place setting" is?
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Post# 40859-6/24/2004-22:42 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: I was adjusting the nut the wrong way, I'll try winding it back down and see what happens.
Luckily for me, the machine seems to be pretty idiot proof when it comes to servicing. If one thing doesnt work, just undo what you did and try again :)
I'll probably swap the motor over out of the other machine, this weekend, and the lid has gone off for a respray and should be back soon.
Then Mr Whirlpool will move into the Laundry :)
I appreciate your help Robert.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40860-6/24/2004-22:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: That is correct Nathan, but there should be some resistance due to the brake being engaged.
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Post# 40861-6/24/2004-23:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Cool :)
If thats the case, I might give it another half a turn or so, and that should totally eliminate the tub twitching :)
I now just have my fingers crossed that when I swap the motor over, the noise on low speed will disappear.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40862-6/24/2004-23:10 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Looks better inside then mine)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, a GE. Those ain't that tough to fix. Find a GE strait-vaned agitator at some used appliance service place, and they may have a transmission that will match as well. Them old GE Filter Flos are kinda simple, in a sense. And they keep going forever. I think parts are a bit easier to find for those, then they would be for my Whirlpool Imperial. Good luck on your new treasure!
The Imperial
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Post# 40863-6/24/2004-23:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Looks better inside then mine)
MESSAGE: Repair manuals for perforated-tub Filter-Flos are abundant as well.
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Post# 40864-6/24/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: VERY-very slow to load-if it does at all.I am not sure-but the Browser I have right now is Yahoo Microsoft Internet Explorer.Don't know much else-not I am not a computer man. Could ask the computer guys here at work.I don't know if the above is much help.The computers here are on an eithernet network.
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Post# 40865-6/25/2004-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
Are you sure the noise isn't normal?
I have never used a 2-speed Whirly but I have used 2-spd Hoover and Simpson, they both do sound quite weird on low speed. The motor makes a strange moaning sound. Not bearing noise, sort of a strong hum.
Chris.
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Post# 40866-6/25/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: It loads instantly for me both at home and here at work, does anyone else have this problem? Usually if its loading, but its loading slow for one person and it loading just fine for another user, then the problem is on the incoming side.
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Post# 40867-6/25/2004-08:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: I agree with Chris Nathan, the Whirlpool/Kenmore machines are a bit noiser on the slow speeds.
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Post# 40868-6/25/2004-08:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Previous POD - Norge semi auto
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Are you able to post a link to a previous POD of a Norge semi auto? Today a neighbour took me down to the home of a ninety year old lady who was having TV reception troubles. (turned out to be faulty antenna booster). While I was there I noticed the washer - a Simpson semi auto which looked a lot like my memory of the previous Norge POD. The machine would have to be close to 40 years old, still in use but noisy. It has three push buttons (wash/off/spin) and a timer for 15 minutes, plus a "hold on" section. The instructions under the lid had "060 061" at the bottom, so it might be a 1960/60 model?? The lady wasn't home, she is in hospital at present.
I DON'T think it is a Norge inside, as it didn't have the fast acting spin brake. From what I could see it was the same underneath as much newer Simpsons, with simple belt driven pump and trans, motor reverses to spin. (no solenoids). It has perforated basket and very basic 4 vane agitator. I suspect it is Maytag underneath, the agitator looks similar.
Does anytone have a diagram to post of the transmission/belts/pump layout inside an early 1960's Maytag? I am becoming increasingly curious of these old Simpsons origins.
Thaks
Chris.
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Post# 40869-6/25/2004-13:27 ||| Rharvey (columbus ohio)
SUBJECT: repair of magic chef range
MESSAGE: Does anyone know of a Midwestern restoration service - I have an old Magic chef range I would like to get working -
thanks!
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Post# 40870-6/25/2004-13:40 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: I have had seen machines with motors that make more noise on slow speed. It is possible the motor bearings are bad. Does the motor spin freely by hand with the belt removed? If it doesn't the bearings are bad. If it turns freely I remove the motor and check the bearings by feel. To do this I hold the motor securely and try to move the shaft back and forth feeling for play in the bearings. I have used this method and usually can feel the play if there is any.
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Post# 40871-6/25/2004-15:59 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, Robert and Fixerman :)
I got the motor out last night, and it does have lots of bearing noise, I'm going to swap the motor over with the one I've already reconditioned.
Fingers Crossed once its back in it'll be nice and quiet.
I've noticed a tiny drip from around the top of the coin trap since I put the new pump in, I'm hoping that I just need to reseat the trap and not that I've inadvertantly damaged the rubber flange above it. I'm assuming the bowl has to come out to replace that.
Hopefully I'll get it re-assembled sunday morning and all will be fine :)
hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40872-6/25/2004-16:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I adjusted the nut down rather than up last night, and now there is no tub twitching. I havent tried with a load in to make sure it'll still spin though, but it seems to be ok.
Thanks for your help, you too Chris
Nathan
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Post# 40873-6/25/2004-16:18 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Dick S I will try and attach the answer from P & C. I think the Costco detergent reminds me of the old Tide scent. Maybe it is just the strength of the scent that reminds me of Tide.
Summary
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Message from All Tide Products
Discussion Thread
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Response (Rachel) - 06/25/2004 02:20 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write Tide, Dan.
After looking at the history of Tide, I'm not showing the original scent has ever changed. You should still get your favorite scent when you buy Tide Original in both the liquid and powder.
Hope this helps!
Rachel
Tide Team
Consumer - 06/22/2004 10:18 PM
Country = United States
Age = 06/1949
Language = English
EMail = bendix5@netscape.net
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Post# 40874-6/25/2004-16:47 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: Detergent & Soap Quiz
MESSAGE: I found this looking up detergents. It is sort of fun. Enjoy-----Dano
Detergent & Soap Quiz
How many soaps and detergents can you find.
With joy in my heart, I made a dash for the mailbox. What a thrill to find that my special package had arrived. Giving a shout I raced into the house like a Haley's Comet. "Why all the excitement?" asked my husband. "If you'd use some of the energy to keep the house spic n span and to get the laundry done, I might have enough clean clothes to tide me over." "So, you think house work is a breeze." I retorted. " Here's the whisk broom now why don't you climb down from your ivory tower and give me a hand?" "And as for the laundry, I thought I woodbury that in the back yard." "One more bold remark like that", he replied" and I'm going to dail the dress shop and cancel the order on your new chiffon dress. How duz that strike you?" "Not on your lifebuoy" I said, grabbing the phone from his hand. "I was only teasing Sweetheart he said, "Now go and open your special package to cheer you up.
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Post# 40875-6/25/2004-19:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (WP coin trap (manifold) drip)
MESSAGE: Here's hoping that you may be able to seal the drip with silicone, because not only does the bowl (basket) have to come out, but the outer tub as well, in order to replace the rubber seal the manifold fits into. That seal is seated between the outer tub and the baseplate.
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Post# 40876-6/25/2004-19:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergent & Soap Quiz (number of detergents & soaps)
MESSAGE: 19
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Post# 40877-6/25/2004-19:58 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Interesting..."not showing the original scent has ever changed". Who are they hiring in these positions?
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Post# 40878-6/25/2004-22:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: I bought Original Scent Regular Tide (not w/Bleach like I usually do), and the scent is noticeably different. It smells really fresh & clean, unlike the Tide w/Bleach, which has that distinct "detergenty" scent I find when I look at used washers.
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