Hey guys, I noticed that the whirlpool dishwasher motors of today seem to be weak and alternate their wash arms on all models, even on Maytag. I don't understand. Why couldn't Whirlpool use the bigger motors like they do on Maytag? What are they trying to hide? Kitchenaid uses a bigger motor like its Maytag counterpart, unlike Whirlpool who uses these puny motors. I thought Whirlpool discontinued their global wash system. Either they did or they didn't. I wish Whirlpool used the microclean motor for their own namesake models just to keep up like they did with the point voyager. There's no way these stupid crappy puny pumps can handle anything due to that weak spray. And, I hate that stupid alternating wash system. My Bosch-built Kenmore never does that. It has a more powerful pump that actually blasts water up to the roof. I can pee harder than Whirlpool dishwashers can pump water through their spray arms, I swear. The alternating wash zones are really driving me crazy. Most of everybody is using them, even Maytag as of late. I can see these wash pump motors burning out in short order.[this post was last edited: 8/3/2024-22:56]
Whirlpool dishwasher motors update
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It's time for you and your dishwasher/clothes washer motor groupies get off your bus and make a concerted effort to remain civil and not continue your conquer and divide behaviors that are undermining the purpose and the privilege we as members enjoy on this website.
It's time for you and your dishwasher/clothes washer motor groupies get off your bus and make a concerted effort to remain civil and not continue your conquer and divide behaviors that are undermining the purpose and the privilege we as members enjoy on this website.
maytaga806
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So what’s the update? All I’m hearin is a whole lotta barkin
Maytag Kitchenaid and Whirlpool all are the exact same dishwashers for the top of the line models, all have the same wash systems and motors. There’s absolutely no difference other than the badge. As we’ve discussed many times before, this new wash system began in 2020. Whirlpool has been making alternating wash arm dishwashers for quite a long time now, since maybe 2013. Not every model was this though.
From what I know the motors are indeed smaller on this particular wash system VS what they used to make long ago, however the arms are still powerful when they run since all the water in the tub is being forced out one single spray arm at once, but I do agree it’s quite unnecessary & unconventional to alternate the arms instead of just using a large enough motor that could handle running every wash zone simultaneously getting the job done faster and more efficiently as manufacturers have been doing for decades but variety is also good too but unfortunately whirlpool doesn’t offer variety anymore really. Almost every single one of their dishwashers have the alternating arm system. Only the base model has an old fashioned wash system unless they screwed that one up too now.
But this is nothing new, it’s just becoming much more popular for some reason nowadays I don’t mind it too much since I don’t like brand new dishwashers anyway! Frigidaire has been doing this since like the early 2000s or even sooner, and some other brands have as well. So doesn’t affect me much, and they still offer great cleaning results and everyone has a preference here.
Maybe because the bigger motors pulled more electricity they had to switch to smaller motors to meet updated energy regulations, who knows. And the smaller motors they had to start using wouldn’t be powerful enough to handle running each zone simultaneously.
Maytag Kitchenaid and Whirlpool all are the exact same dishwashers for the top of the line models, all have the same wash systems and motors. There’s absolutely no difference other than the badge. As we’ve discussed many times before, this new wash system began in 2020. Whirlpool has been making alternating wash arm dishwashers for quite a long time now, since maybe 2013. Not every model was this though.
From what I know the motors are indeed smaller on this particular wash system VS what they used to make long ago, however the arms are still powerful when they run since all the water in the tub is being forced out one single spray arm at once, but I do agree it’s quite unnecessary & unconventional to alternate the arms instead of just using a large enough motor that could handle running every wash zone simultaneously getting the job done faster and more efficiently as manufacturers have been doing for decades but variety is also good too but unfortunately whirlpool doesn’t offer variety anymore really. Almost every single one of their dishwashers have the alternating arm system. Only the base model has an old fashioned wash system unless they screwed that one up too now.
But this is nothing new, it’s just becoming much more popular for some reason nowadays I don’t mind it too much since I don’t like brand new dishwashers anyway! Frigidaire has been doing this since like the early 2000s or even sooner, and some other brands have as well. So doesn’t affect me much, and they still offer great cleaning results and everyone has a preference here.
Maybe because the bigger motors pulled more electricity they had to switch to smaller motors to meet updated energy regulations, who knows. And the smaller motors they had to start using wouldn’t be powerful enough to handle running each zone simultaneously.
whirlpool wash system
I wish I knew what Whirlpool called their wash system on their own TOL models. I don't believe Whirlpool's own TOL model has a chopper in it. At least not what I've seen.
I wish I knew what Whirlpool called their wash system on their own TOL models. I don't believe Whirlpool's own TOL model has a chopper in it. At least not what I've seen.
What matters to me is that the dishes get completely clean in a reasonable amount of time. And not with stupid crappy puny pumps! Call me petty if you will, but I want a real pump and motor behind the machine, not a toy. These new machines sound like toys compared to yesteryear!
Why should I clean a stupid filter? I want the hard food disposer back. My Kenmore dishwasher from 2018 made by Whirlpool just died. It wouldn't spray. The Chinese recirculation pump just died and I suspect it was made in China. I told you, these puny pumps don't last!
What could a measly 65 watt pump do to move a mountain of filth and grease? I bet this dishwasher would struggle to clean off a plate of shrimp alfredo casserole. When I lived in Nacogdoches, my Bosch/Kenmore didn't! It didn't matter how dirty dishes were! It just cleaned dishes! I expect when I move to Temple I have a dishwasher that will just clean too!
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How many shrimp do you typically leave on the plate? The people want to know!
Signed: Goofy Glenn
I don't! It's the pressure these puny pumps use, and they take over 3 hours! I wish Whirlpool would just leave the power clean module alone! They could've easily offset the pump and make the basin deeper.How many shrimp do you typically leave on the plate? The people want to know!
Signed: Goofy Glenn
I bet these pumps just last up to a year. These have way too little power to move anything off of crusty plates and dirty bowls. I was shocked when I ran my dad's dishwasher with the door open when the upper rack was running, and I was surely disappointed. The spray was so weak you couldn't wet the floor. My older GE/kenmore would blast the water all across the room. I remember my dad started the dishwasher with the door open by accident when I was a kid. This was around 2000. That dishwasher could clean anything.
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Lmao!!!! That’s LITERALLY what they did in the Point Voyager.
Then it was clearly broken. But don’t let any of our firsthand knowledge get in the way of your opinions.
What do you mean broken? Even if working properly, many consumers are sick and tired of the 2-3 hour cycles and the poor performance, due to the weak water pressure these pumps use. Older dishwashers just plain worked. no messing around. Where's phillymatt?
At least all arms operated at once. That's something I wish these Whirlpool units would go back to again. And they had a real motor to greet you.
could it be that machine is not getting enough water?
The machine does get enough water. It is the type of pumps they use. No wonder why today's dishwashers take 2-3 hours.
No it’s not the pumps they use.
Size doesn’t always matter Jerome.
If you’re SO concerned about motor size, get a new Maytag or KitchenAid with the Power filtration. Those still have a large, 1/5hp motor.
If size isn't the issue, why are many consumers still complaining about the time it takes? Also, Today's Maytag dishwashers revert to that stupid alternating wash zone crap. I want all arms operating at once. The ones Whirlpool and everybody else use are just glorified pond pumps. Mine has been out since July.
Once again, all yap and no action.
Go search for a vintage KitchenAid or PowerClean machine and install that.
You're not going to find a new machine these days that does not alternate it's arms.
I fear you're up for a life of stress and dissapointment. Best to seek a professional for guidance.
That why I wanted to keep my GE Potscrubber 940 instead of replace it - too many complaints with modern dishwashers, and when I have worked on this one - it is a well built tank. The main problem I had with this one was a home-made extension cord a installation person made years ago, a heavy-duty looking thing that plugged into another outlet, but was made with conduit and a metal construction type outlet under the sink - apparently it was shorting out enough to trip the GFI - sometimes it is what you DON'T think about - like in fixing my moms ancient Tappan - when I finally realized the problem was the pipe going to the DW that had gradually clogged up, until it was clogged up solid -
michaelz08
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Part of the intention of alternating arms is not just that it requires a smaller motor, but also requires less water per fill (I think, correct me if I’m wrong). IMO that was probably the biggest motivation these days. Point voyager probably could have been updated to be quieter (looks like the quietest version was around 49 db? Circa 2012), but getting fills under 1 gallon each means that even with 3-4 drain/fills you can be at a very low total water usage amount.
sometimes you can install a bit differently also to reduce noise - when I added a DW to my condo decades ago - the contractor extended out my counters, and put a thick butcher-block top on it - I noticed when I finally replaced my DW motor recently (GE Potscrubber 940) - it is so quiet now.
michaelz08
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Oddly my Miele’s noise comes a lot from below the door. Almost as though it’s missing insulation and you hear water dripping into the base. My parents 2007 Miele does not have the same noise. I wonder if they cost-cut the foam that would have gone there behind the toekick, I’ve been tempted to order some batting or something and stick it there myself.
I'd kill to have that dishwasher, along with a matching GE filter-flo 2-speed electric pair with ramped activator again.
phillymatt53
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Hi Mike,
I can appreciate the intention for appliances to use less water per cycle.
However, the "water saving- energy saving" advertizing is, if you dig deep enough, a form of propaganda used in marketing, and entices consumers to believe they'll benefit from purchasing such products.
What manufacturers won't mention, or realize, is how a given savings and efficiency of something will actually please the consumer.
I'll use the well-known phrase "Your Mileage May Vary".
Take for instance, those water-saving low-flow faucets and shower heads.
There are sometimes when you may want a forceful stream of water.
But since that option has been forcefully taken from you, oh well!
File that under "Population Control" - lack of individual Freedoms.
And another one of the never discussed problems due to this "saving" propaganda is those new type of low-flow toilets....
You're led to "believe" that it's beneficial to save water - again, you're not allowed an option....
And what has those toilets accomplished?... read on..
That quick flush use's what, maybe a gallon to flush the dump and paper down?
OK... but the dump is now sitting under your home.... sitting, and sticking to the sewer pipe, and likely adhering to it, instead of flushing the crap all the way out to the street's main.
Mind you, the dishwasher, garbage disposal, etc, all leave "bits' in the pipe as well.
This eventually causes a major problem when you need to spend over a hundred bucks for a professional to come out unclog the line, because it's "your" responsability for any plumbing on your property.
So much for Savings!
I'm not joking!.... several of my neighbors have had to call in a plumber because of this very issue.
Because the main is 50 to 75 feet from the house, and a stinking gallon flush isn't going to propel solid sewage all the way where it needs to go.
Thanks, but I'll keep my 1970's Kohler toilet that I know flushes things right out of my lateral pipe to the street.
That 5 or 6 gallon flush insures that I'm not going to hire a plumber.
Bottom line, ignore things that you're "told" to believe are beneficial to "the green" propoganda.
I wish I could say it has gotten better but it's only gotten worse.
phillymatt53
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Hey Jerome, it's all about society being led to believe that something's worthy or beneficial.
And sadly, a lot of people buy into that crap, brainwashed, and just because others fall for it, so they should also.
This is such BS.
KitchenAid and other makes were constantly working on saving energy and water way back in the 1970s.
Energy and water is expensive in many markets, and if they can get their appliances to use a bit less than the competition, that is a SALES advantage to the company, and a resource and expense savings for the customer.
With everything going on, this timeline really sucks and this conspiracy nonsense online is just icing on the sad cake.
Well Matt, this is why I try to tip back new appliances at big box stores to investigate what's really under the hood. I have to investigate everything.
phillymatt53
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I understand the visualation of components and construction is important.
However, besides that, it's the actual performance in operation can only be determined by testing or use.
Nevertheless, things are not built like they WERE back when.
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