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WRONG! I say without a twitch, you Americans have so beautiful machines!
Look around: Lighted consoles, chrome trims, fluorescent lights, in-the-tub-lighting, some bakelite agitators with a chrome scrubber top, elevated timers on a thin pole growing beyond the top rim of the console, pushbutton controls with not to be seen when "off" LEDs (Whirlpool).
Even UV-light sanitizing lights (whenever this my may work or not) competing with console lights! What a galore! Wish we had similar stuff here.
My machines are vintage and feature real 25w light bulbes on each side, today you have only red or green LEDs and a blueish LCD-screen (if at all).
Anyway, here are some additional shots (you have to put the outer doors ajar to get them running):
WRONG! I say without a twitch, you Americans have so beautiful machines!
Look around: Lighted consoles, chrome trims, fluorescent lights, in-the-tub-lighting, some bakelite agitators with a chrome scrubber top, elevated timers on a thin pole growing beyond the top rim of the console, pushbutton controls with not to be seen when "off" LEDs (Whirlpool).
Even UV-light sanitizing lights (whenever this my may work or not) competing with console lights! What a galore! Wish we had similar stuff here.
My machines are vintage and feature real 25w light bulbes on each side, today you have only red or green LEDs and a blueish LCD-screen (if at all).
Anyway, here are some additional shots (you have to put the outer doors ajar to get them running):
what I like most
about these two is the fact that they are made of massive steel, the walls of the cabinet being so thick you cannot warp them whatsoever (ok, with a sledge hammer you could).
Then the complete inner washer unit is hanging on suspension springs, dampened down with 2 snubber plates underneath (washer unit comprising drum, basket, belt/pulley set-up, motor, lint filter, bellows, drain pump). Additionally, they have balance rings (a thing that only American washers have today, no Euro washer has them anymore) - the left one has "oil" in it, the right one (slightly newer) just cheaper "sand")
The only thing being mounted in the cabinet are timer, thermostat, valves and detergent dispenser. All else is "swinging away" as you may call it.
Result: No matter what, this jewel stands like a rock.
I tried it with 2 sleepsacks at a time and 2 pairs of trainers clunking along: Spin cycle? They just SLAM them into full rpm. and just play a harmless "what? did I do anything?" - NO vibration outside. Stunning. (Not to be had nowadays, these old babies weigh about 150 kg each).
about these two is the fact that they are made of massive steel, the walls of the cabinet being so thick you cannot warp them whatsoever (ok, with a sledge hammer you could).
Then the complete inner washer unit is hanging on suspension springs, dampened down with 2 snubber plates underneath (washer unit comprising drum, basket, belt/pulley set-up, motor, lint filter, bellows, drain pump). Additionally, they have balance rings (a thing that only American washers have today, no Euro washer has them anymore) - the left one has "oil" in it, the right one (slightly newer) just cheaper "sand")
The only thing being mounted in the cabinet are timer, thermostat, valves and detergent dispenser. All else is "swinging away" as you may call it.
Result: No matter what, this jewel stands like a rock.
I tried it with 2 sleepsacks at a time and 2 pairs of trainers clunking along: Spin cycle? They just SLAM them into full rpm. and just play a harmless "what? did I do anything?" - NO vibration outside. Stunning. (Not to be had nowadays, these old babies weigh about 150 kg each).
norfolksouthern
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The quality
If you're referring to the lighted dials and UV lamps of some of our vintage machines, that was mostly before 1970. Your front loader is a real keeper, as I have an Italian Zerowatt that's roughly the same age, maybe older than your set. They don't make anything like that machine anymore, not from my knowledge anyway.
If you're referring to the lighted dials and UV lamps of some of our vintage machines, that was mostly before 1970. Your front loader is a real keeper, as I have an Italian Zerowatt that's roughly the same age, maybe older than your set. They don't make anything like that machine anymore, not from my knowledge anyway.
AEG Lavamat
Wow Joe, lovely machines and design, yes you would need a couple of people to move these beautys!!!
Love the night shots but would love to see more in daylight!!
What spin speed are these??
Wow Joe, lovely machines and design, yes you would need a couple of people to move these beautys!!!
Love the night shots but would love to see more in daylight!!
What spin speed are these??
hi Mike ;-)
They are some 500ish I guess.
The older one says 440, the newer one 520.
I might think this is a hooey, the motors and the pulleys are identical.
Here's a timeline:
- 1958 first Lavamat (boltdown system, no suspension)
(had internal boilers in addition to internal heaters, require 3phase 400V)
(models A, B, C, D, 64, noris and deluxe) spin 350 rpm
- 1964 "free-standing" suspension was introduced and sales shot up,
230V regular plug
(my machines here) spin 440 to 520
- 1970s beginning of "kitchen-ready" machines with detachable top and having front dispenser drawer. "bio" heating (slower and longer for enzyme detergents)
different spin speeds from 420 to 750 (according to model)
(now also sold as "Rondoroyal", "BBC", "interfunk", "Vorwerk" = relabeled)
- 1977-79 brownish or silverish front panels in "softline" design (=rounded edges, hello ABBA and shag carpets.)
introducing "variomatic" spin (several spin bursts with intermittent tumbling. exchangeable outer door decoration panels for kitchen integration. (spin speeds 700 to 850)
also the first solid-state electronic PCB machines. (these introduced the carbon brush motors: 1000, 1200 rpm)
- about mid80s: no longer double door, just a plain port hole. begin of the ÖKO series. carbon brush motors only, speeds 1000 to 1400
- 90s till today: AEG-Electrolux machines with red LEDs, 1000 to 1800 (according to model)
And the link is especially for you ;-)
Cheers
Joe
They are some 500ish I guess.
The older one says 440, the newer one 520.
I might think this is a hooey, the motors and the pulleys are identical.
Here's a timeline:
- 1958 first Lavamat (boltdown system, no suspension)
(had internal boilers in addition to internal heaters, require 3phase 400V)
(models A, B, C, D, 64, noris and deluxe) spin 350 rpm
- 1964 "free-standing" suspension was introduced and sales shot up,
230V regular plug
(my machines here) spin 440 to 520
- 1970s beginning of "kitchen-ready" machines with detachable top and having front dispenser drawer. "bio" heating (slower and longer for enzyme detergents)
different spin speeds from 420 to 750 (according to model)
(now also sold as "Rondoroyal", "BBC", "interfunk", "Vorwerk" = relabeled)
- 1977-79 brownish or silverish front panels in "softline" design (=rounded edges, hello ABBA and shag carpets.)
introducing "variomatic" spin (several spin bursts with intermittent tumbling. exchangeable outer door decoration panels for kitchen integration. (spin speeds 700 to 850)
also the first solid-state electronic PCB machines. (these introduced the carbon brush motors: 1000, 1200 rpm)
- about mid80s: no longer double door, just a plain port hole. begin of the ÖKO series. carbon brush motors only, speeds 1000 to 1400
- 90s till today: AEG-Electrolux machines with red LEDs, 1000 to 1800 (according to model)
And the link is especially for you ;-)
Cheers
Joe
Thanks Joe
for all these infos !
Another question : what about those series rebadged as Telefunken ? Here back in the 80ies Telefunken models were pretty the same as those Lavamat with the big silver dials
@norfolksouthern : these two Lavamats are at least 15 years older than your Zerowatt. Detergent drawers appeared in early seventies
for all these infos !
Another question : what about those series rebadged as Telefunken ? Here back in the 80ies Telefunken models were pretty the same as those Lavamat with the big silver dials
@norfolksouthern : these two Lavamats are at least 15 years older than your Zerowatt. Detergent drawers appeared in early seventies
Telefunken
hi Favorit! (for lack of a real name)
Telefunken is a stone age old brand name for radios and transmitters.
A company that goes back to the 20s.
"funken" means "to transmit by radio" and it literally means "to spark a message"
(before radio tubes they only had these horrendous high-voltage spark gaps, quite a dangerous job back then).
Eventually AEG (Allgemeine Electrizitäts Gesellschaft) (= general electricity corporation) bought Telefunken.
From then on all radio and telecommunication stuff was called "AEG-Telefunken", a subdivision of AEG Germany.
(---see pic in link for the old logo, having sparks in it---)
My dad worked for them for all his life until Mercedes and later Electrolux ruined AEG to death.
AEG is no longer existent.
But for markets abroad they would take just any brand or model name, hoping it would sell, hoping noone will understand it.
So it turns out that white goods are called "Telefunken" in some neighbour countries. (complete bulls... if you ask me, I never phone someone using my washer ;-)))
hope this helps.
hi Favorit! (for lack of a real name)
Telefunken is a stone age old brand name for radios and transmitters.
A company that goes back to the 20s.
"funken" means "to transmit by radio" and it literally means "to spark a message"
(before radio tubes they only had these horrendous high-voltage spark gaps, quite a dangerous job back then).
Eventually AEG (Allgemeine Electrizitäts Gesellschaft) (= general electricity corporation) bought Telefunken.
From then on all radio and telecommunication stuff was called "AEG-Telefunken", a subdivision of AEG Germany.
(---see pic in link for the old logo, having sparks in it---)
My dad worked for them for all his life until Mercedes and later Electrolux ruined AEG to death.
AEG is no longer existent.
But for markets abroad they would take just any brand or model name, hoping it would sell, hoping noone will understand it.
So it turns out that white goods are called "Telefunken" in some neighbour countries. (complete bulls... if you ask me, I never phone someone using my washer ;-)))
hope this helps.
Telefunken transmitter-at the transmitter site I work at-they have a shortwave AEG Telefunken S4005 500Kw transmitter.Also the studio had some Telefunken tape machines that were loaned to the agency for trial-those were returned.Sometimes our Telefunken transmitter has "sparks" so we have to go in it and fix the problems.So far the rig has held up pretty well since it was installed in 1985.Had factory training on this.It has gone thru three HV rectifier transformers-the crowbar for the HV rectifier is pretty brutal.When you "crowbar" 30Kv at up to 60A something is going to give!
aldspinboy
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Joe...your washers are stunning!!!
Loving the porcelian drop down door lids with instructions.
and of course the lighting.
I alway's was interested in european equipment...
when i was living with my parents and i would call the U.K.
for literiture on washers and my mom would get the bill and said are you crazy calling overseas for washing machines,
i said there is not enough i can learn from mother lol.
So one of the companies i called was AEG and the second set of literiture that they sent me was on the side of the book said
Automatic engineering from Germany.
Being a audiophile and loving stereo equipment one of the best tape recording systems iv'e came across was a Telefunken cassette recording deck it had three speeds and and pitch control very high end machine sounded fantastic!
Thanks for the pictures and education.
Darren k.
Loving the porcelian drop down door lids with instructions.
and of course the lighting.
I alway's was interested in european equipment...
when i was living with my parents and i would call the U.K.
for literiture on washers and my mom would get the bill and said are you crazy calling overseas for washing machines,
i said there is not enough i can learn from mother lol.
So one of the companies i called was AEG and the second set of literiture that they sent me was on the side of the book said
Automatic engineering from Germany.
Being a audiophile and loving stereo equipment one of the best tape recording systems iv'e came across was a Telefunken cassette recording deck it had three speeds and and pitch control very high end machine sounded fantastic!
Thanks for the pictures and education.
Darren k.
hey Darren
glad you like them ;-)
ROFL on calling overseas, I did the same calling Whirlpool USA!
(and my Mom called me very similar names and adjectives, too).
If you have any questions about those brands, I'll be more than happy to help out.
Also, my late dad has left us tons and tons of material, there's surely the one ore the other brochure/magazine/book left over (after two years we're still sorting out things)
There's also an early 50s tape recorder, a stylish microphone, some old circuit diagrams and what have you... (7800 pictures and still counting)
Drop me a line anytime: w t t r w o l f <*> a i m . c o m (no spaces of course)
Joe
glad you like them ;-)
ROFL on calling overseas, I did the same calling Whirlpool USA!
(and my Mom called me very similar names and adjectives, too).
If you have any questions about those brands, I'll be more than happy to help out.
Also, my late dad has left us tons and tons of material, there's surely the one ore the other brochure/magazine/book left over (after two years we're still sorting out things)
There's also an early 50s tape recorder, a stylish microphone, some old circuit diagrams and what have you... (7800 pictures and still counting)
Drop me a line anytime: w t t r w o l f <*> a i m . c o m (no spaces of course)
Joe
aegokocarat
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beautiful very regal loooking machines.
Tom
Tom
Very handsome Lavamats you have, Joe !
I`m sure they do a hell of a good job when it comes to rinse perfomance with all those interim spins and high water levels and their powerfull pumps.
The quality of 60s AEGs is just stunning, totally on par with Miele, perhaps even better.
It is such a shame what the brand has become now.
I think to recall it was in the 70s when AEG Hausgeräte went bankrupt. Do you know by any chance since when Electrolux took over ?
Oh and by the way I have a hunch your former screenname was Lederstiefel, right ? Missed your posts.
I`m sure they do a hell of a good job when it comes to rinse perfomance with all those interim spins and high water levels and their powerfull pumps.
The quality of 60s AEGs is just stunning, totally on par with Miele, perhaps even better.
It is such a shame what the brand has become now.
I think to recall it was in the 70s when AEG Hausgeräte went bankrupt. Do you know by any chance since when Electrolux took over ?
Oh and by the way I have a hunch your former screenname was Lederstiefel, right ? Missed your posts.
bankrupt
hi Stefan,
thanks for your reply.
For details on these trials of Mercedes Benz and then Electrolux trying to "save" (read: slaughter & scavenge) AEG please see link.
Hint: You'd better google for "AEG +Nürnberg" to find more in-depth articles about the protesting workers and the managers drinking champagne....
(more or less an 80s/90s-style prelude of our bank crisis now, same pattern)
No, I am not "Lederstiefel" (although I know him very well, he is the one to have brought the somewhat newer Nova L to my home), actually he hates AEGs but I love them and he is just a nice man = deal for all of us, he's got it out of his car, I have it here now and Nova L is happily splish-splashing away my denims.
For all others to know, my friend insisted on putting the machine into place just by himself, he would just hug it, growl loudly and lift it up, then slammed it down on that wooden Euro pallet on the floor.
Result:
1. He IS strong (the machine weighs some 150 kg)
2. The rubber hose from the detergent compartment tore up (I replaced it)
3. The machine is in place without my sweat, thanks!
Last info:
The inner workings of the timer were invented by Paul Kolb, at that time at "AKO timers" which nowadays is better known as "Diehl electric components". They make timers, PCBs and all that stuff for almost any washer brand in the world, Whirlpool for example, (and they were located just across the street from AEG back in the 60s).
So, these very early Lavamat washers are the foundation of Diehl/AKO electronics.
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hi Stefan,
thanks for your reply.
For details on these trials of Mercedes Benz and then Electrolux trying to "save" (read: slaughter & scavenge) AEG please see link.
Hint: You'd better google for "AEG +Nürnberg" to find more in-depth articles about the protesting workers and the managers drinking champagne....
(more or less an 80s/90s-style prelude of our bank crisis now, same pattern)
No, I am not "Lederstiefel" (although I know him very well, he is the one to have brought the somewhat newer Nova L to my home), actually he hates AEGs but I love them and he is just a nice man = deal for all of us, he's got it out of his car, I have it here now and Nova L is happily splish-splashing away my denims.
For all others to know, my friend insisted on putting the machine into place just by himself, he would just hug it, growl loudly and lift it up, then slammed it down on that wooden Euro pallet on the floor.
Result:
1. He IS strong (the machine weighs some 150 kg)
2. The rubber hose from the detergent compartment tore up (I replaced it)
3. The machine is in place without my sweat, thanks!
Last info:
The inner workings of the timer were invented by Paul Kolb, at that time at "AKO timers" which nowadays is better known as "Diehl electric components". They make timers, PCBs and all that stuff for almost any washer brand in the world, Whirlpool for example, (and they were located just across the street from AEG back in the 60s).
So, these very early Lavamat washers are the foundation of Diehl/AKO electronics.
