Aeg intergrated dishwasher

[ian_p61]

I recently on in ebay a "nin working" aeg AEG F60850Vim dishwaser for $15. He non working part was he pump - it turned out t be a Little bit of glass stopping the outlet pump from working.
But. Have a few questions about the cycle.

How long is the drying cycle?
Is there any way of increasing the water the machine uses?

And

Any comments on the machine, how to use it the best etc?

Thanks again guys

I will post an actual picture of the machine tonight.

 

[dj-gabriele]

-Is there any way of increasing the water the machine uses?

Why on earth would you want to do that on a dishwasher?!

-how to use it the best etc?

Same comments to all dishwashers apply: do not rinse stuff before putting them in the machine, scrub all the excess dirt from the dishes, keep the salt and rinse aid full (do not use vinegar!), wipe the seal to keep it clean, do not cut on detergent use nor cycle (pot and pans won't come clean if washed on quick) and if you have green source hot water available feel free to hook the machine to that if the incoming temperature is under 60°C, otherwise the machine is better left heating its own.

- How long is the drying cycle?

Should be on par with the other EU-style machines, anywhere between 20 minutes to 45 minutes! Anyway it doesn't use additional heat so you'd better leave doing it regardless as it's usually the moment where the machine regenerates the ion exchanger.

 

[washer111]

Salt/Rinse-Aid:

Ian lives in Melbourne Australia. The water there is so soft, using the water softener is a giant waste of resources. I don't understand the obsession with using those things in a dishwasher. Sure its nice if you can't afford a whole house system, but really, it doesn't stop water valve issues, or the need to replace parts that come into contact with the hard water (Salt System, Resins, Diverter Valves etc). 

And not use Vinegar as Rinse-Aid? I've personally posed that question on this forum, and received no negativity, except from myself. Using a tad of vinegar is a good means of testing the rinse-aid dispenser, rather than wasting expensive Blue stuff from the supermarket. (The commodity, Vinegar is like the grass). 

 

As for increasing the water usage, perhaps he plans on putting a slightly more powerful pump in, so as to wash the dishes better? Remember not all this "Water Saving" actually cleans dishes, as I'm sure you're fully aware. 

 

Also, I don't mean to go off topic here, but how did you KDS-17 go with your testing? 

 

[dj-gabriele]

If water is soft (how can I know from 25.000 km away!!?) you can set the softener to a low level or deactivate it.
Otherwise in normal/high hardness conditions stuff will not come clean!

As far as vinegar goes it has several drawbacks: it doens't work to reduce surface tension (so there's more spotting), second it is much more acidic than the rinse aid (corrosion in the reservoir) and is totally liquid (will run away from the reservoir
with time) and if it were a new machine it's especially said that it voids warranty.

And rest assured a proper modern dishwasher with a mere 10 litres will outclean any old water hog! The key is long cycles and programmes developed for modern detergents!

 

[logixx]

We had an AEG with a similar interior. It's fan-assisted drying cycle (on ECO) took 62 minutes. 24 min. on the other cycles.

 

[washer111]

Careful!

You might upset someone with a vintage KitchenAid, or a Kenmore UltraWash...

 

You can get clean dishes in high hardness. I've proven that for myself. 25 grains, no softener on our dish drawer and Finish Tablets, which actually (still) contain >30% Phosphate, according to the packaging.

Where we used to live, the Dishlex could clean stuff if we used the right cycle). The water was only very slightly hard, around 4 grains, IIRC. Soft water isn't 100% necessary for clean dishes. In really hard water areas, it will help heaps, but otherwise, one can still get good results if using the right detergents for the job. Its a well known fact powder detergents aren't as effective in hard water, even with a softener. Tablets are more suited to those conditions (Especially if you use those "Fairy" tabs in a low water machine. YIKES... Talk about suds!)

 

I'm not sure about you, but our machine's "Normal" cycle can out-clean the Heavy Cycle, especially with burnt on stuff. Key is a 50º Main-Wash and a 60º final rinse. Ensures stuff is soaked off. Cycle takes 74 minutes after heating delay (10 minutes is "cut" from the cycle, as our inlet temperature it at least 5-10º more than the recommended 20º).

Also, as I've stated many times, our "Delicates" cycle is great for everyday dishes. It takes just 62 minutes (perhaps less, without heating delays, though I haven't observed it "cutting" times), and is the Normal cycle, but at lower pressure, but with 3 rinses, as opposed to 2. I like using that cycle sometimes. Everything just looks that little bit better. If I run a short Rinse cycle (manually cancelled), I can even get great results from the 45 minute Fast cycle - as I've left the worst soils for the detergent, and all the loose stuff is rinsed away. Its actually 5º hotter than a normal cycle during the Main-Wash. To compensate for the 20 minute Main-Wash (as opposed to the 33 minute one on the Normal/Delicates/Heavy cycles).

 

By the way, I hope I don't sound to snotty saying this... I'm only debating what you are saying... Typical Sagittarius, as my co-worker would say

 

[ian_p61]

Thanks guys

The machine is actually going well it is sooo quiet!

My Camera is a bit dodge at the moment so will post a bit later

To answer washer 111 question

I have not yet tested my Kds-17a as I have been so busy but will keep you posted, I don't know but I might heave to sell it soon( space ) so if there are any Aussies interested just let me know
Thanks
All

 

[ian_p61]

My machine

Sorry for the long delay so so busy!
I really do like the machin(first one fully computer) - fingers crossed it lasts!

By the way any Aussies interested in the Kds-17 ? I still haven't tested it but will in about 1 and a half weeks- I made a date in my diary!

 

[ian_p61]

Nice light!

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[ian_p61]

Sorry about the bad pics!

 

[washer111]

Sadly, like I said before, shipping is just too expensive for an item like that to make it worthwhile for me... Plus I don't think we've got any room for it, as it is :-( If I were closer, and we had room, well, it'd be another story, I say!

Another Aussie just HAS to take this, if Ian doesn't want it - its too good a machine to lose to scrapper or the local verge collection. I don't want to see it go to waste.

 

Back onto topic, that AEG is looking like a snazzy dishwasher! Glad you were able to fix it, and bring it back to service again. Also good to see another machine was saved from landfill, for now... Hows the cleaning performance on this one, and the cycle times? Good, bad?

 

 

 

[ian_p61]

Cleaning and cycles

The cleaning is quite good on the machine, I must say I was an am quite impressed, but like any "new" machine the cycle times are long a normal wash takes around 99 minutes! - but that manly be ausie the drying part is quite long! But I must admit the quietness does pay off!

Don't worry I would never scrap the kitchenaid! - just don't really know we're i can put it!!

 

[ian_p61]

all going well

Hi all!

i just thought i would let everyone no the dishwasher is going very well!

i do like the cycles but the drying part takes a while so i try after the machine has finished its final rinse i turn the machine off and open the door- dries in a few mintues!