blackstone
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Guess which country this picture was shot...
Shame on you, Brazilians...
Ops, i forgot i am a Brazilian too...
Somebody please give me a paper bag to put on my head.
Shame on you, Brazilians...
Ops, i forgot i am a Brazilian too...
Somebody please give me a paper bag to put on my head.
Don't let the safety officer see this!
twintubdexter
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That would never work with me. You'd need a 40 foot ladder with a couple dozen people standing on the left side.
vacerator
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omg!
Nothing against Brazilians, but I recall when Sao Paulo had a sky scraper fire which many people died in.
I hope their building codes are better now. They are just now putting air bags in cars there also. "Not that Takata air bags actually save lives"
The photo looks like they may only be on the third floor. I hope so. Any higher is just asking for death.
I'd have paid the install fee for the unit at least to be attached to the building by a cherry picker.
Nothing against Brazilians, but I recall when Sao Paulo had a sky scraper fire which many people died in.
I hope their building codes are better now. They are just now putting air bags in cars there also. "Not that Takata air bags actually save lives"
The photo looks like they may only be on the third floor. I hope so. Any higher is just asking for death.
I'd have paid the install fee for the unit at least to be attached to the building by a cherry picker.
warmsecondrinse
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I hate to say it, but there've been times I'd've done exactly that if my a/c were on the fritz. Although I think I'd've gone with a longer ladder and three friends.
filterflo58
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i swear with just looking at pic and not scrolling down..I said to myself..Brazilians..
philr
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That's funny but...
I think this is Photoshopped! Look at the width of the tiles (more visible on the floor below)... There's not more than 6" extending from the building...
I mean, it could look like that too!
;-)
I think this is Photoshopped! Look at the width of the tiles (more visible on the floor below)... There's not more than 6" extending from the building...
I mean, it could look like that too!
;-)
Vacerator
Yes, Brazil had two skyscraper fires that were unthinkable.
Joelma building and Andrauss building, both in São Paulo and both happened withing maybe 2 or 3 years apart from each other, on early 1970s
Of course the codes changed a lot after those fires, but until today the codes in Brazil aren't that good.
Let's not forget the fire that killed hundreds aof people at Kiss night club, in Santa Maria just a few years ago.
One fo the biggest problems in Brazil is corruption. Kiss had all the inspection documents by the fire department. and guess what. the sound unsulation foam was highly flammable.
The building had no fire sprinklers because it was 1 square meter smaller than the minimum size to fire sprinklers be mandatory.
The fire exits had chains and padlocks.
When the fire started, it took almost 5 minutes for the security guards to understand the emergency. until that moment, they were forcing people to pay their tab before living the club.
When they finally started the evacuation and opened the only exit that wasn't blocked (the main entrance) a flashover happened. Everything and everybody inside the building was literally incinerated.
There is a security camera video on youtube. I won't post it here because it's too graphic and sad. The camera survived the fire and caught everything.
The Joelma and Andrauss building were even worse.
The carpet was made of wool (at that time carpet was fashion in Brazil, thank God nowadays it's nearly impossible to find carpet in brazil)
the stairs didn't have fire doors
the furniture was highly flammable
the roof finishing was sme kind of styrofoam extremely flammable
There were fire extinguishers.... ONE extinguisher for the whole building (Joelma)
The fire alarm was a ridiculous switch with a bell on the lobby.
It just needed a short circuit in the computer room air conditioner on the first floor. in 10 minutes the fire reached the top floor.
More people would have died if a f-word rich executive that had a helicopter hadn't sen the fired and decided to act like a hero. He risked his own life landing on the roof on fire to rescue people more than 50 times and taking them to the street.
If i'm not mistaken, those fires inspired the movie The Towering Inferno.
Nowadays, Joelma is considered the safest building in Brazil. with absurd 10 fire sprinkler independent pipes and sprinkler heads every maybe 10 inches and since the fire it has been used by the fire department and also by fire equipment companies to test or advertise their state of the art systems.
The codes in Brazil changed a lot after those two fires. Some points are much more strict than here in the US, for example the mandatory concrete floors and walls everywhere and drywall limited to specific lower fire risk areas while here i've seen several buildings made of wood and drywall, buildings over 25 floors must have at least 1 escape chute per floor, buildings over 50 floors must have the empty floor every 5 floors, and at least 4 external evacuation elevators (one on each face)
The sad thing is, most of these codes were created to benefit an specific company that certainly payed a lot of money under the table for politicians.
For example, the evacuation elevators. In Brazil there's only one company that installs them, called "Escape" and it's not even a Brazilian company, it's from Israel. The code doesn't require "an evacuation external elevator", it requires specificaly a "Escape" external evacuation elevador.
My building in Brazil has 4 "Escape" elevators, Bucka Spiero evacuation chutes and Ansul Piraña system in the kitchens (here in the US I've seen similar systems only in restaurant kitchens).
The three underground parking floors in my building are protected by a foam flooding system also by Ansul because the fire department simply decided to require them for our building and guess what. We had to hire Ansul here in the US.
The fire extinguishers are Kidde. (like all fire extinguishers in Brazil.)
All systems are connected with a DSC fire management system and the system computer decides what to do, where to sound the alarm first, which rafts should be automatically deployed and which elevators must be used according to the fire position in the building and the weather, winds, etc. the system there is so full of tricks that even the fire doors close automatically when the fire alarm goes off. There's some kind of magnet that keep the doors open and when the alarm goes off some kind of solenoid or wax motor push the door.
I just hope i never have to use a fire chute again. I've done that twice (during a fire and during a drill) and it's scary to know that your're sliding down a huge hose that is thin like paper, almost like a snake swallowing a rat, and if something goes wrong you'll be like a pancake on the ground.
Oh, before i forget, People say that Joelma building is also haunted and there are dozens of stories about ghosts in there.
Yes, Brazil had two skyscraper fires that were unthinkable.
Joelma building and Andrauss building, both in São Paulo and both happened withing maybe 2 or 3 years apart from each other, on early 1970s
Of course the codes changed a lot after those fires, but until today the codes in Brazil aren't that good.
Let's not forget the fire that killed hundreds aof people at Kiss night club, in Santa Maria just a few years ago.
One fo the biggest problems in Brazil is corruption. Kiss had all the inspection documents by the fire department. and guess what. the sound unsulation foam was highly flammable.
The building had no fire sprinklers because it was 1 square meter smaller than the minimum size to fire sprinklers be mandatory.
The fire exits had chains and padlocks.
When the fire started, it took almost 5 minutes for the security guards to understand the emergency. until that moment, they were forcing people to pay their tab before living the club.
When they finally started the evacuation and opened the only exit that wasn't blocked (the main entrance) a flashover happened. Everything and everybody inside the building was literally incinerated.
There is a security camera video on youtube. I won't post it here because it's too graphic and sad. The camera survived the fire and caught everything.
The Joelma and Andrauss building were even worse.
The carpet was made of wool (at that time carpet was fashion in Brazil, thank God nowadays it's nearly impossible to find carpet in brazil)
the stairs didn't have fire doors
the furniture was highly flammable
the roof finishing was sme kind of styrofoam extremely flammable
There were fire extinguishers.... ONE extinguisher for the whole building (Joelma)
The fire alarm was a ridiculous switch with a bell on the lobby.
It just needed a short circuit in the computer room air conditioner on the first floor. in 10 minutes the fire reached the top floor.
More people would have died if a f-word rich executive that had a helicopter hadn't sen the fired and decided to act like a hero. He risked his own life landing on the roof on fire to rescue people more than 50 times and taking them to the street.
If i'm not mistaken, those fires inspired the movie The Towering Inferno.
Nowadays, Joelma is considered the safest building in Brazil. with absurd 10 fire sprinkler independent pipes and sprinkler heads every maybe 10 inches and since the fire it has been used by the fire department and also by fire equipment companies to test or advertise their state of the art systems.
The codes in Brazil changed a lot after those two fires. Some points are much more strict than here in the US, for example the mandatory concrete floors and walls everywhere and drywall limited to specific lower fire risk areas while here i've seen several buildings made of wood and drywall, buildings over 25 floors must have at least 1 escape chute per floor, buildings over 50 floors must have the empty floor every 5 floors, and at least 4 external evacuation elevators (one on each face)
The sad thing is, most of these codes were created to benefit an specific company that certainly payed a lot of money under the table for politicians.
For example, the evacuation elevators. In Brazil there's only one company that installs them, called "Escape" and it's not even a Brazilian company, it's from Israel. The code doesn't require "an evacuation external elevator", it requires specificaly a "Escape" external evacuation elevador.
My building in Brazil has 4 "Escape" elevators, Bucka Spiero evacuation chutes and Ansul Piraña system in the kitchens (here in the US I've seen similar systems only in restaurant kitchens).
The three underground parking floors in my building are protected by a foam flooding system also by Ansul because the fire department simply decided to require them for our building and guess what. We had to hire Ansul here in the US.
The fire extinguishers are Kidde. (like all fire extinguishers in Brazil.)
All systems are connected with a DSC fire management system and the system computer decides what to do, where to sound the alarm first, which rafts should be automatically deployed and which elevators must be used according to the fire position in the building and the weather, winds, etc. the system there is so full of tricks that even the fire doors close automatically when the fire alarm goes off. There's some kind of magnet that keep the doors open and when the alarm goes off some kind of solenoid or wax motor push the door.
I just hope i never have to use a fire chute again. I've done that twice (during a fire and during a drill) and it's scary to know that your're sliding down a huge hose that is thin like paper, almost like a snake swallowing a rat, and if something goes wrong you'll be like a pancake on the ground.
Oh, before i forget, People say that Joelma building is also haunted and there are dozens of stories about ghosts in there.
warmsecondrinse
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Google "Coconut Grove", "New Year's", and "Boston". That fire wasn't so different from some of the ones you mention.
The story I got --my grand uncle was supposed to have gone to that party but had gotten sick-- was that Boston's response was to enact what was by far the most strict fire safety codes in the U.S.. Those codes soon spread to the rest of the Commonwealth and supposedly became the model for the rest of the country.
Jim
The story I got --my grand uncle was supposed to have gone to that party but had gotten sick-- was that Boston's response was to enact what was by far the most strict fire safety codes in the U.S.. Those codes soon spread to the rest of the Commonwealth and supposedly became the model for the rest of the country.
Jim
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