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smokey2367

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I am staring the process of putting back together my 1970 Maytag A206 washer--the biggest job was taking apart the transmission, cleaning it out and replacing the oil. I could not have managed that without this website. Found lots of excellent posts that even a mechanically challenged person like me could follow. I did a test wash this past weekend, even though the machine is not totally put back together. It washes just like it used to except there is a clicking or knocking sound that is coming from the transmission. At first I thought is was the spin tub going back & forth, but I held the tub and the noise persisted. I didn't try to take out the agitator shaft in the transmission (got the impression that was not recommended). Did I do something wrong or is this just the result of taking the trans apart?
Thanks -- Doug
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Noisey MT Washer Transmission

It does sorta sound like there may be something wrong inside the transmission, you can either keep running it and see what happens or tear it apart again.

 

I would generally recommend that one should not rebuild a washers transmission on ANY brand washer any more than most of us should be rebuilding the engine in your car. There are plenty of good used transmissions for MT washers out there plus you can still get the better NEW orbital style transmission and load sensor agitator for this washer. It really all depends how much time and money you want to spend working on your washer, Good Luck.
 
I'll just leave it for now. I won't be using this washer on a regular basis anyway. It's been sitting in my garage for the last 10 years and I didn't want to throw it out, so I thought I'd try to fix it up. I didn't think the old style transmissions could still be purchased; the newer Maytag I'm using now has the orbital style transmission, but I still like to slower-stroke machines. Thanks for your input.

Doug
 
Clicking Sound

Hey Doug,

John's right. If one could find a NOS trans. setting around somewhere in town or not too far away, I'd go for it, but unfortunately one doesn't find these old style "Newton trans." setting around in boxes very often. I'd jump on one in a min. if I found it, but they're usually to far away or the owner wants too much money for it. I believe John probably ment to scavenge a nice one out of an older (maybe mid '80's) BOL machine that nobody wants and use it for yours. It's a great idea and I have one out back that I'm gonna do the same thing with. Who knows, I may try and sell some of the other parts to a member just for shipping, if anyone wants them. There's tons of old parts and machines out there. But some parts are specific to certain types of machines and if I can help someone out I would be happy.

I commend you on trying to rebuild your machine. It's quite a feat and satisfying when it turns out right. I take it from your first post that you held the tub to stop the tub from indexing and hitting the brake. That is usually a lower thumping sound. It may be that when tightening the mounting stem set screw you accidentally tightened it into one of the three water relief grooves on the trans. neck and during agitation the screw is striking the side of the groove. If this is the case, eventually the screw will sheer off and score the side of the neck and ruin it.

If that happens the tub and the trans. will no longer be locked together and during agitation the tub will index severely and during spin the trans. will take off, but the the tub will set still. The agitator would probably try to spin in a tub full of water and clothes. I've never seen it happen, but I imagine the agitator would throw out some water and the fins might break off and shred the clothes. There would probably be some strange noises, maybe a water leak, I don't know. It might happen over time as the set screw slowly made it's groove around the trans. neck. After the groove is complete I don't know what would happen. Probably the above. Others who have seen this, please comment. I would personally like to know what it looks like, but I don't want it to happen to me. It sounds very unpleasant.

Anyway, Doug, that higher pitched knocking sound I hear from you video sounds like it could be the old set screw in the groove problem, assuming the rest of your trans. looked in good shape when it was disassembled and you put it back together properly. I don't hear any of that high pitched whine during agitation that usually comes from worn bushings in the gear case cover. That's good. Out of curiosity, what kind of gear oil did you use?

I trust that you did a leak test w/o the agitator in place? You could try and take the agitator out, let the machine fill, and let it run with no load on the drive shaft. If the sound leaves, then you could reach down in the machine with something to protect your hands and try to stop the agitator shaft while it's turning to see if the sound returns. That might lead you to something. Or you could take the water level hose off the switch, blow into it until it clicks and clamp it with a pair of vice-grips. You'll have an empty run that way. That's an interesting thing to do.

Let us/me know what happens. :)
 
Hi beekeyknee,

Thanks for the tips -- I can also thank you for the post you did when you transferred an old-style transmission into a newer Maytag machine -- that's what I followed when I worked on my trans and it was an excellent guide. I've always wanted to see the inter-workings of a washer. I got the gear oil from Napa Auto Parts store; it wasn't the same brand name that you used; it was call Napa Premium Gear Oil and it had the same code SAE 85W90.

I think you're right about the mounting stem screw; I took the agitator & tub back out and I didn't hear the knocking when I ran the machine empty. I don't know if you can hear it that well in this video. Will I be able to use the same mounting stem over again or will removing it again mess it up?

Thanks again for all your help! Doug

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Hi Doug,

You should be able to use it over again. If it were me, I'd wipe off the mating surfaces of the mounting stem and boot seal with a clean, lint-free cloth, put a little zoom-spout on the carbon face of the boot seal and put the mounting stem back in. Put the tub back in, center it well, put your mounting stem cover and spanner nut back in and do another dry run in. If the tub is centered and balanced well you should be able to do the run in with the tub cover off. Then you can pour in some water to check for leaks. That way if you do have a leak, you won't have to take the whole machine apart again. It's bad enough just taking that wash basket and mounting stem in and out of there twice. Hope everything works out alright for you.

Brian
 
Hi Brian,

Thanks for all the tips; I'll give it a try this weekend & see what happens. If you ever come across any of the old style "chubby" tub bearings I would be interested in buying a couple. I bought one of the new kind before I started this project; the 42 year old one in my machine was a way better quality than the new one. I'd like to have a couple of the better ones on hand in case my main machine has a problem.

Anyway, thanks for your time & help!

Doug
 
The one I have was in good shape -- I just tend to like to have a spare in case something goes wrong. I've checked around a salvage yard close by, but I'll I saw were newer machines. They probably squash good Maytags as soon as they come in since they are heavy metal.

Doug
 
Look for an older BOL model you wouldn't mind scavenging for parts. You might even be able to sell the parts you don't want and/or start a collection of spares in case of a break down. Sometimes machines can be had cheaply on C/L.

Usually a quick way to tell the condition of an older machine is to reach in an try to pull the agitator off. It can be done in a snap with hardly a person noticing. You might want to take out the fabric softener dispenser first so it doesn't go flying.
 
I'll keep checking at the scrap yard. One day there may be nothing and another day just what I'm looking for. I'll just take my tool box & ninja clothes and see what happens.
 
Well, I got to work on the Maytag again this weekend. I removed the tub and check the mounting stem. It looks like the set screw wasn't in the water relief groove. I put a label marking where the screw was and I think I can see a dimple from the screw. Apparently my hair is falling out as well, I didn't see that until I uploaded the picture onto my computer.

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There is still a knocking sound but I don't think it is as constant as it was before. I had a really hard time getting the old agitator back off again so I tried the one from my inside machine. Also, I wanted to see how well it washed compared to the old one. Not as good, but better than I thought. This video is longer than it should be, I was trying to capture the knocking sound going and coming back.

 
Here's a shorter one with the old agitator back on. The sound seems more constant in the video, but when I was standing there it also seemed to come and go. Any ideas?

Thanks -- Doug

 

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