Anybody read Turkish? Serbian?

[bajaespuma]

Turns out there's a beautiful new Turkish supermarket near me in West Haven CT. After buying rice, shekerpare, string cheese and halvah, I came to the last isle and found a whole bunch of Turkish market cleaning supplies including two different types of Ariel.

 

[bajaespuma]

One was for dark colors and I chose this one that seems like an all-purpose enzyme product. Expensive, but cheaper than Persil and only a little higher than Tide in this area.

I think I read something that looked like "phosphate" on an ingredient panel, but if anybody can translate any of this I would be interested

 

[foraloysius]

It's a bit hard to read on my tablet, but it looks like there are phosphonates in it, not phosphates. I also see zeolite mentioned, which is a clue this is phosphate free detergent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphonate

 

[gorenje]

If you want I can translate you, but as Louis said there are phosphonates in it and not phosphates.
This is the previous version of Ariel sold here. But it's already for a while that there are no more phosphates in it.

Ingemar

 

[dixan]

I have to tell you that this is definitely not Turkish Ariel. I live in Bulgaria and we have a lot of products imported from Turkey here. The package of the Turkish Ariel (and Persil) is entirely in Turkish language. On this package there isn't a single word in Turkish. Also Turkish packages don't have the top part with the three holes.
This product is intended for Serbian market.
Anyway, this Ariel doesn't contain phosphates. The ingredients are:

5-15% anionic surfactants, oxygen based bleaching agents;
<5% nonionic surfactants, phosphonates, polycarboxylates, soap, zeolites;
additionally: enzymes, optical brighteners, perfume (butylphenyl methylpropional).

 

[kenmoreguy89]

This is Eastern european ariel.....
So meant for albanian, macedonian, serbian and so forth...
Not Turkish, as previously stated, also no phosphates but phosphonates, as also mentioned before...you'll hardly find phosphates in laundry products in these areas, even more if you thought it was Turkish as Turkey being a member of the EU cannot per regulation contain them... While dishwasher products can still contain them differently than the US, laundey products cannot, this of course within the EC and EU just like it is in the US...ans that's from pretty long now...
However, as for Eastern European Tide, detergents seems to be sold in the same form and multilingual packets through different countries, from Croatia to Romania, to Serbia...etc..
Infact, there is the tendency in eastern europe to have the same packages, but multilingual, this is because of greater exchanges of products among them both if UE members or not, ,while differently, in the rest of Europe, every country do have their own packages with their own language.
You will have CE and or UE member countries being forced in banning phosphates, other non members that *may * still allow in laundry products as non regulated by country laws or CE/ EU's laws not being the countries part of it, however...the formula will be the same to match all regulations in all different countries where the same package and product is meant to and will be sold..
Example: the same package will be sold in Romania (EU member since 2007) but also in Montenegro, or Albania while Montenegro Albania, whatever non UE may still allow phosphates, Romania won't, so the product will not contain them anyway..

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[dixan]

Turkey is not a member of the EU.
Many Turkish detergents contain phosphates but recently they started to replace them with more Eco-friendly alternatives.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Ops...you're right! i confused! Sorry! It's just a candidate...Hope they won't for their sake!

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Anyway, yes I see how in Turkey they have their Turkish made brand ones with phosphates, phosphates are indeed more popular in those countries like still are very much in Arabian countries, this is indeed the example of the speech I was doing, it appears infact that over there in Turkey, you find products and brands shared in EU member eastern europe countries, such as Fax for example .....that does not have phosphates.

 

[dixan]

Well, you are not completely right. It's not the same product for all Eastern European countries and not the same formula.
The P&G plant is in Romania but it manufactures two types of detergents - non-compact and compact.
The one on the pictures above is non-compact for Serbia, FYROM, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina etc. The dose is 150 g per wash so 3 kg are enough for 20 washes.

And now I will show you the compact detergent made in the same plant. It's intended for Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Croatia, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary. The dose is 100 g or 2 kg for 20 washes.
Persil is even more compacted - 80 g per wash. It's made in Serbia, but for the Serbian market Persil is non-compact (150 g per wash).

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Look that I didn't mean all the eastern europe!
I have to admit that I didn't know about the different formulas though, but you sure living in Bulgaria know more than I do as you're more near these than I am, actually also, I never ever cared much about to, except for the Tide Automat I wanted to try...
But that explains why I could see packages stating more per load and weighting differently, I thought it being just because of a new formula more concentrated... So you confirm that they change from country to country?
All I know about detergents over there is due to informations I came across online from time to time and what I could see behind a computer screen, all what I could use personally was some Tide from Serbia that I could see from the languages on the packet was the same meant for Romania, Serbia market and also a some others countries non UE...
As for the package of Ariel in question, you can see it does have in the bottom all a list of countries, including Romania, Czech Republic and Turkey... I thought it would be the same...sold all over UE or non UE in eastern europe and occasionally in Turkey...
Again, my knowledge about them, that has evidently many points to bs corrected about, it's all passive, from what I could occasionally come by here and there on the web...not deep researches I made on purpose on my own...
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[dixan]

I don't mean to insult you. It's great you know so much about our market but I just wanted give you some more information.

„As for the package of Ariel in question, you can see it does have in the bottom all a list of countries, including Romania, Czech Republic and Turkey...“

This is about where the product is made. The translation is "Manufacturer: see the code, stamped on the package".
There are 3 plants in these 3 countries. And next to the expiry date, there is a code - RO for Romania, TR - for Turkey and CZ - for Czech Republic. Oh, and we have N for Russia, but usually we don't have Russian detergents here.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

No no no...I know you didn't mean to insult, and don't feel insulted at all! Why then? I I apreciate you making me aware of it, that's out of discussion, as I told you, what I know is just thanks to what I could come across occasionally during the time... you giving me these info, gives me the possibility to correct what I erroneously thought it was.
You know, I do pretty well the spanish as third language , I can understand well the portoguese, the french, something of romanian as they all resemble the italian and the german resembling the english, , but when it comes to other languages from eastern europe...well...let's say I get very little of what it's wrote/said or anyway only what resembles others languages and something by vocally hearing ones using different characters.,.
Not to mention southern europe such as Turkish....the Greek!
So I couldn't really catch the thing of production plants, just always thought they were customer services or offices, I don't know if you know, but at least for what concerns Italy, Germany and Spain, France and UK on packages of P&G products as for the Henkel ones you will rather find offices addresses and toll free numbers, to ask info and dosing cups, rather than production plant of manufacturing that is not actually mentioned, it was back then, but now not anymore, so thought they were offices to be called for customer care and info about the product...and could find little sense in mentioning that if it was not meant for those countries, but now I see...

 

[dixan]

So you don't know where your wonderful Dash is manufactured? In France, I think.

And Western detergents don't even have production/expiry date but ours here always do. I don't know why. Laws.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Dash powder....

It used to state being manufactured in Pomezia, near Rome, same factory where used to be manufactured Tide (when it was stiil sold) in the past, but now who knows? If it's still made there? if not I would have guessed Belgium, but actually have no clue....
About Henkel, Dixan and so forth, it used to be made in Ferentino, province of Frosinone, the plant is actually specialized in powders....it seems it is still in operation...
I guess some comes from Ferentino, others from Germany...

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Accoding to P&G websites, it says the plant of Pomezia is still in activity...but actually, with the very high cost of energy and incredible taxation in this country, I think that now they have them made elsewhere for the most part..,.
http://www.pg.com/it_IT/azienda/le-sedi-in-italia.shtml

 

[dixan]

Well, that's sad. It's always better to buy products made in your own country. Not for me, of course, I buy detergents from everywhere.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

And so do I, I like to try them all from everywhere, what catches my interest then I gotta buy it, and vintage are on the top, see it, like it, grab it....and so does other people on here..
Welcome into the club! [this post was last edited: 6/5/2014-17:38]