michael
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I was in Savers today and saw this Ariel laundry cleanser, similar to Dettols, added to the fabric condioner compartment.. i bought some but wondered if anyone has tried it...
Ariel laundry cleanser
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Have some, too from Savers (it would be, it's exclusive to them). Seems ok and very much the same as Dettols save the scent. Seems the difference is with this you can add alongside softener, whereas others I think is in place of (could be wrong).
Although for anyone unawares, this is not manufactured by P&G, it is manufactured under licence from them by Star Brands (known for the Stardrops range of cleaners, along with the Wizz range and I think the infamous Zoflora is theirs too among others); this is the same as the Fairy range of stain remover powders and sprays and Fairy handwash detergent for delicates.
The Ariel range is available in stain remover powder, trigger spray and this liquid you have (I think the powder stain remover is exclusive to B&M, like the liquid is to Savers).
Seems after the not long lived Ariel range of stain removers from a few years ago, P&G have now licensed out the brands for use by other companies who are willing to take a stab.
Have some, too from Savers (it would be, it's exclusive to them). Seems ok and very much the same as Dettols save the scent. Seems the difference is with this you can add alongside softener, whereas others I think is in place of (could be wrong).
Although for anyone unawares, this is not manufactured by P&G, it is manufactured under licence from them by Star Brands (known for the Stardrops range of cleaners, along with the Wizz range and I think the infamous Zoflora is theirs too among others); this is the same as the Fairy range of stain remover powders and sprays and Fairy handwash detergent for delicates.
The Ariel range is available in stain remover powder, trigger spray and this liquid you have (I think the powder stain remover is exclusive to B&M, like the liquid is to Savers).
Seems after the not long lived Ariel range of stain removers from a few years ago, P&G have now licensed out the brands for use by other companies who are willing to take a stab.
I think in theory any of those hygiene rinses are compatible with FS because both products are cationic surfactant based.
Practically it may be difficult to combine them because most hygiene rinses require a much larger dose than this Ariel product and would leave hardly any room in the FS compartement for FS. Suppose some manufacturers discourage the combination of both because they fear siphoning it out prematurely into the anionic washsolution which is indeed incompatible with it.
Practically it may be difficult to combine them because most hygiene rinses require a much larger dose than this Ariel product and would leave hardly any room in the FS compartement for FS. Suppose some manufacturers discourage the combination of both because they fear siphoning it out prematurely into the anionic washsolution which is indeed incompatible with it.
Cannot speak to other products, but Persil Hygienespuloer is a quat based disinfectant.
AQUA (WATER)
DIDECYLDIMONIUM CHLORIDE
C12-18 FATTY ALCOHOL 7 EO
ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL
POLYACRYLAT KATIONISCH
PARFUM
COLORANT
Quats are not the benign chemical many make it out to be..
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AQUA (WATER)
DIDECYLDIMONIUM CHLORIDE
C12-18 FATTY ALCOHOL 7 EO
ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL
POLYACRYLAT KATIONISCH
PARFUM
COLORANT
Quats are not the benign chemical many make it out to be..
Disinfectant Pros and Cons: Hydrogen Peroxide vs. Quats
Disinfectants are created with one purpose: to kill microbes and pathogens.However, some active ingredients are safer for human health and the environment than others.Which disinfectant is right for your operation?
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rolls_rapide
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The fact they've launched that speaks volumes.
The standard Ariel powder must now be thoroughly incompetent at sanitising the load alone.
Either that, or they're playing on folks' fears.
The standard Ariel powder must now be thoroughly incompetent at sanitising the load alone.
Either that, or they're playing on folks' fears.
We have been down this path before...
Persil, Dettol, Lysol, Sagrotan, etc... the lot of these various in wash disinfectants or sanitizers have increased in number in response to "turning down the dial". That and several other factors which now make up wash day across Europe and much of North America.
Lower wash temperatures, rise of liquid detergents (that cannot contain oxygen bleaching systmes), and or not using any sort of bleach for various reasons all have one main draw back. Less germs are killed/removed from the wash.
Never fear because now Henkel, P&G, and the rest now are flogging these disinfectants and separate oxygen bleaches that do what powdered detergents and hot or every warm water did in past.
Commercial laundries long have used quat based bactericides in final rinses. Usually for things like diapers, infant laundry, towels, etc.. As an added assurance of sanitation and or to help prevent things getting a whiff while in storage.
Problem with using quats is same for any other disinfectant or sanitizer; you need to achieve a certain ratio of product to water liquor, and allow minimum contact time (usually ten minutes) for the things to work. Yes, there are products that claim (and have been tested to do so) kill germs "on contact", but these laundry products aren't on that page.
Find me a modern domestic washing machine that has a ten minute final rinse....
Laundering at 60 C or 70 C (with reached temp held for at least 15 minutes), along with drying in a moderately hot tumble dryer (average temp of 78°C) for about twenty minutes will provide all the disinfection required for most laundry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4229498/
Of course now we don't have washing machines that reach anywhere near boil wash temps, much less hold it for fifteen minutes. This along with rise of heat pump dryers means getting a machine that will get "hot" is also going way of the Dodo, and there you are.
What our grandmothers once achieved using nothing more than Persil with a hot or boil wash, followed by a hot dryer or maybe ironing (the latter has same germ killing effect as tumble drying), we now have to drench our wash with chemicals to achieve. All of which not only ends up on skin, but is flushed down drains into eventually bodies of water. Someone please explain to me how "green" this works out to be.
Persil, Dettol, Lysol, Sagrotan, etc... the lot of these various in wash disinfectants or sanitizers have increased in number in response to "turning down the dial". That and several other factors which now make up wash day across Europe and much of North America.
Lower wash temperatures, rise of liquid detergents (that cannot contain oxygen bleaching systmes), and or not using any sort of bleach for various reasons all have one main draw back. Less germs are killed/removed from the wash.
Never fear because now Henkel, P&G, and the rest now are flogging these disinfectants and separate oxygen bleaches that do what powdered detergents and hot or every warm water did in past.
Commercial laundries long have used quat based bactericides in final rinses. Usually for things like diapers, infant laundry, towels, etc.. As an added assurance of sanitation and or to help prevent things getting a whiff while in storage.
Problem with using quats is same for any other disinfectant or sanitizer; you need to achieve a certain ratio of product to water liquor, and allow minimum contact time (usually ten minutes) for the things to work. Yes, there are products that claim (and have been tested to do so) kill germs "on contact", but these laundry products aren't on that page.
Find me a modern domestic washing machine that has a ten minute final rinse....
Laundering at 60 C or 70 C (with reached temp held for at least 15 minutes), along with drying in a moderately hot tumble dryer (average temp of 78°C) for about twenty minutes will provide all the disinfection required for most laundry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4229498/
Of course now we don't have washing machines that reach anywhere near boil wash temps, much less hold it for fifteen minutes. This along with rise of heat pump dryers means getting a machine that will get "hot" is also going way of the Dodo, and there you are.
What our grandmothers once achieved using nothing more than Persil with a hot or boil wash, followed by a hot dryer or maybe ironing (the latter has same germ killing effect as tumble drying), we now have to drench our wash with chemicals to achieve. All of which not only ends up on skin, but is flushed down drains into eventually bodies of water. Someone please explain to me how "green" this works out to be.
And the fact that people are washing clothes in water that is slightly too warm for goldfish and too cold for tropical fish.
The reality is that a decent modern detergent and particularly one with enzymes will in all likelihood remove Coronavirus and most other pathogens anyway. This virus isn’t all that hardy and is just few RNA strands in a lipid (fat) envelope. That’s why it’s so easy to remove it by just washing your hands or using alcohol based hand sanitisers.
The main thing to avoid is doing short, overloaded washes. I’ve seen people do towels on the 15 minute super fast wash, intended to freshen up a few shirts that are very lightly soiled.
Use the right cycles and dose detergent correctly and you shouldn’t have any issues with pathogens on your laundry.
If you’ve something like perhaps a risk of exposure to something hard to shift like MSRA or clostridium difficile, then maybe consider using high temperatures or appropriate sanitisers, but for coronavirus, flu, common colds, and most viruses actually, normal laundry processes are more than capable of leaving them very safely cleaned.
The main thing to avoid is doing short, overloaded washes. I’ve seen people do towels on the 15 minute super fast wash, intended to freshen up a few shirts that are very lightly soiled.
Use the right cycles and dose detergent correctly and you shouldn’t have any issues with pathogens on your laundry.
If you’ve something like perhaps a risk of exposure to something hard to shift like MSRA or clostridium difficile, then maybe consider using high temperatures or appropriate sanitisers, but for coronavirus, flu, common colds, and most viruses actually, normal laundry processes are more than capable of leaving them very safely cleaned.
liberatordeluxe
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I have tried Napsian which contains peracetic acid and found that is better than the rinses as you add it to the wash and not the last rinse cycle. Though i feel these add on's are just a gimmick and something else to be flushed down the drain. I gave up using branded laundry detergents and use Tesco or Sainsbury's Bio powder which for me smells and cleans as good as the top brands.
60°C Is Usually More Than Sufficient.
For taking care of most germs in laundry. One can go up to 70°C if wished, but the important thing is to tumble dry things afterwards in a hot dryer.
It is the heat of drying that finishes off large numbers of remaining germs. Ironing either after tumble drying or straight from wash also kills off more bugs.
Air drying OTOH simply allows growth of another type (gram negative) bugs, which sort of defeats purpose of "boil washing" in first place.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4229498/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2448418/Laundry-washed-40c-14-fewer-germs.html
Of course turning the dial down has nothing to do with getting one's wash clean really, but overall society savings on energy use. This is something governments worry about, thus hatch out policies aimed to reduce electricity usage.
www.thisismoney.co.uk
For taking care of most germs in laundry. One can go up to 70°C if wished, but the important thing is to tumble dry things afterwards in a hot dryer.
It is the heat of drying that finishes off large numbers of remaining germs. Ironing either after tumble drying or straight from wash also kills off more bugs.
Air drying OTOH simply allows growth of another type (gram negative) bugs, which sort of defeats purpose of "boil washing" in first place.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4229498/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2448418/Laundry-washed-40c-14-fewer-germs.html
Of course turning the dial down has nothing to do with getting one's wash clean really, but overall society savings on energy use. This is something governments worry about, thus hatch out policies aimed to reduce electricity usage.
Should I now wash my clothes at 60 degrees to help beat coronavirus?
Someone told me the other day that I should now be washing all clothes at 60 degrees to kill viruses such as coronavirus. Should I wash at 60? And if I do, how much extra would this cost?
