Hey all...I have to say that the Briva is really a great addition to the kitchen. Steve, you are right, the Briva patent was from an 1940's 1950's DW that has been updated and become the Briva. Cost aside I have to say that this thing is really the "tits" <insert evil grin>. My cabinet would not hold the large 42" unit so I have the 36" unit that has the DW that holds 5 place settings or when the rack is re-configured it holds LARGE pots / pans. The DW side can be used as a regular very large sink. The rack is of course easily removed allowing for the sink to be used. The downside is the cost and the installation. Ken insisted that we have the small aux hot water unit that came to the tune of 350.00 and the DW was around 1500. In my book that is ALOT of money for a very simple machine. This is of course there was a problem when service was needed, there simply are not many of these things around. The rep from KAid quickly let me know that these are selling well in ...Palm Beach..I should be so lucky. All in all It really is nice to be able to cook and place a bowl, utensil, pan in the Briva and 3 minutes later it is rinsed and ready to use again. The regular cycle is only 20 minutes and man it cleans!....I have a full size KA that I rarely used and its cycles are much longer. As for the noise, it is about like a newer model Whirlpool, not silent but not obnoxious.