I have no comment to make on this video I stumbled upon on Facebook, except are getting 3 lemon near BOL appliances possible?
Does 3 Major Appliance Lemons make a Pie?
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It's definitely a race to the bottom with appliance manufactures these days. Make it as cheap as possible commanding max pricing, limited lifespan, a short warranty, then obsolete the parts a few years after production so the customer gets to experience that miserable process again.
Someone needs to make a T-shirt that says "Save the Vintage Appliances"
Someone needs to make a T-shirt that says "Save the Vintage Appliances"
cfz2882
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Normal for younger generations...
I know a couple,mid 1990s born-full on Millennials,bought new a WP fridge,Roper W/D,BOL FD dishwasher,and all became defective before 2 yrs:they thought the fridge should have lasted better,but no complaints about the dishwasher or W/D set...They gave me the defective appliances:door latch on the DW,compressor on the fridge,W/D not checked yet-placed these into storage for later checkout/repair.
I know a couple,mid 1990s born-full on Millennials,bought new a WP fridge,Roper W/D,BOL FD dishwasher,and all became defective before 2 yrs:they thought the fridge should have lasted better,but no complaints about the dishwasher or W/D set...They gave me the defective appliances:door latch on the DW,compressor on the fridge,W/D not checked yet-placed these into storage for later checkout/repair.
<blockquote>Someone needs to make a T-shirt that says "Save the Vintage Appliances"</blockquote> I recall there was a t-shirt available at the 2001 convention, referencing an early name of the group "The Society for the Restoration of Vintage Automatic Appliances" ... SRVAA. I'm sure I obtained one but currently cannot find it.
fan-of-fans
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It won’t matter in the future, because nobody will be able to afford to own their own property and this need to buy appliances.
They’ll be at the mercy of whatever junk the landlord puts in, and if it breaks, it’s on them to buy more crap junk to replace it.
Me thinks the future of appliances is probably going to be all white or all stainless steel and very BOL, since it’s all going to be garbage to go into rentals. The cheapest rentals will get white BOL, the more expensive will get stainless steel BOL just to appear to be higher end.
Except for the top stuff like Sub-Zero, Miele, Thermador, Viking, etc for those that can afford high end homes will still afford to buy. Lower end properties than that will all eventually be rentals.
They’ll be at the mercy of whatever junk the landlord puts in, and if it breaks, it’s on them to buy more crap junk to replace it.
Me thinks the future of appliances is probably going to be all white or all stainless steel and very BOL, since it’s all going to be garbage to go into rentals. The cheapest rentals will get white BOL, the more expensive will get stainless steel BOL just to appear to be higher end.
Except for the top stuff like Sub-Zero, Miele, Thermador, Viking, etc for those that can afford high end homes will still afford to buy. Lower end properties than that will all eventually be rentals.
I still have that SRVAA t-shirt 
So.....is Bosch still mentioning buying WP?
How can we expect a tiny reed relay to handle the many kilowatts of power a 240V heating coil in an oven is going to need?or the 3rd-half hp motor is a dishwasher or washer?The reed relays would be OK to control larger hardwire relays of the large power components.Also its a bad prectice to have board traces handling high power 240V loads!-a fire just asking to happen!!!Bad engineering and to a bottom line cost.
This is the t-shirt. Pardon the creases. 
Three broken whirlpool appliances within two years
First of all the reviewer is a total idiot. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Let’s take the refrigerator first, his comments about the fill tube for the icemaker being a bad design are ridiculous. Every icemaker has been made like that since the 1950s and do not have trouble with the tube freezing up Unless there is a water flow problem caused by a bad water connection at the household plumbing. I’m glad he’s not engineering products, lol.
It does appear the refrigerator has a problem running all the time if it’s freezing all the food he did not mention what was done to address the problem, but obviously they must have a goofball repair company too if they’re putting up with frozen foodthat could be a stuck relay on the control board for example and yes, it does appear that the evaporator fan motor may have failed. That’s pretty darn unusual in a refrigerator that knew. Next. That could be a stuck relay on the control board for example and yes, it does appear that the evaporator fan motor may have failed. That’s pretty darn unusual in a refrigerator that new.
The dishwasher it’s hard to say what caused the failure of the membrane for the controls. He wasn’t very pacific. They could’ve been damaged by sloppy use and getting enough stuff spilled in it. I suppose the steam from the dishwasher does not affect them, and the so-called Noisi drain pump was probably a piece of broken glass in it. Whirlpool uses the same drain pumps that everybody else from Bosch to Meile there’s no great problem with drain pumps.
The range did indeed seem to have a stuck or welded contact on the broil relay the type of relays that are used in this range or the same as every other range made today it is not a bad design. They do not have only a 10,000 activation life cycle.
He’s very wrong when he said that the relay cycle on and off several minutes every time the oven is on, the bake relay stays on until the oven gets to 350. The broil relay is cycled on and off about once per minute to add a little bit of top heat, so it’s not surprising that the broil relay would be more likely to fail, it’s possible this house was struck with a voltage surge which ruined the relay in both the range and the refrigerator.
He’s a complete idiot when he looks at the board and said they put an eight-year-old part in it that’s the copyright date of when that board was designed that he was looking at right next to it. You’ll see that the board was actually made the 30th week of 2022.
I do fault, whirlpool for not offering more assistance to customers who have problems early with their appliances the amount of damage people like this due to their reputation is considerable, but none of these are considered low end or troublesome appliances, buying more expensive brands would only increase the risk of problems like these.
John L
First of all the reviewer is a total idiot. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Let’s take the refrigerator first, his comments about the fill tube for the icemaker being a bad design are ridiculous. Every icemaker has been made like that since the 1950s and do not have trouble with the tube freezing up Unless there is a water flow problem caused by a bad water connection at the household plumbing. I’m glad he’s not engineering products, lol.
It does appear the refrigerator has a problem running all the time if it’s freezing all the food he did not mention what was done to address the problem, but obviously they must have a goofball repair company too if they’re putting up with frozen foodthat could be a stuck relay on the control board for example and yes, it does appear that the evaporator fan motor may have failed. That’s pretty darn unusual in a refrigerator that knew. Next. That could be a stuck relay on the control board for example and yes, it does appear that the evaporator fan motor may have failed. That’s pretty darn unusual in a refrigerator that new.
The dishwasher it’s hard to say what caused the failure of the membrane for the controls. He wasn’t very pacific. They could’ve been damaged by sloppy use and getting enough stuff spilled in it. I suppose the steam from the dishwasher does not affect them, and the so-called Noisi drain pump was probably a piece of broken glass in it. Whirlpool uses the same drain pumps that everybody else from Bosch to Meile there’s no great problem with drain pumps.
The range did indeed seem to have a stuck or welded contact on the broil relay the type of relays that are used in this range or the same as every other range made today it is not a bad design. They do not have only a 10,000 activation life cycle.
He’s very wrong when he said that the relay cycle on and off several minutes every time the oven is on, the bake relay stays on until the oven gets to 350. The broil relay is cycled on and off about once per minute to add a little bit of top heat, so it’s not surprising that the broil relay would be more likely to fail, it’s possible this house was struck with a voltage surge which ruined the relay in both the range and the refrigerator.
He’s a complete idiot when he looks at the board and said they put an eight-year-old part in it that’s the copyright date of when that board was designed that he was looking at right next to it. You’ll see that the board was actually made the 30th week of 2022.
I do fault, whirlpool for not offering more assistance to customers who have problems early with their appliances the amount of damage people like this due to their reputation is considerable, but none of these are considered low end or troublesome appliances, buying more expensive brands would only increase the risk of problems like these.
John L
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When I hear about electronics failing in rapid succession I think the possibility of an open service neutral. That would explain why relays are pulling in when they aren't supposed to. The guy did mention the dishwasher had to have the drain pump replaced, it is possible the electronic control was also running the drain pump continuously to the point it overheated. The water valve in the icemaker may be being intermittently pulsed causing drops of water to freeze.
I wouldn't call the guy a total idiot, an open service neutral, especially if intermittent, isn't the first thing that crosses most people's minds.
When I hear about electronics failing in rapid succession I think the possibility of an open service neutral. That would explain why relays are pulling in when they aren't supposed to. The guy did mention the dishwasher had to have the drain pump replaced, it is possible the electronic control was also running the drain pump continuously to the point it overheated. The water valve in the icemaker may be being intermittently pulsed causing drops of water to freeze.
I wouldn't call the guy a total idiot, an open service neutral, especially if intermittent, isn't the first thing that crosses most people's minds.
cheap appliances
I cannot stand cheaply built appliances. Everything's made to break, no matter if you bought the so-called premium end. And when they do work, they don't perform properly.
I cannot stand cheaply built appliances. Everything's made to break, no matter if you bought the so-called premium end. And when they do work, they don't perform properly.
Ahh Luigi, such fond memories. Thank you for posting a pic of your T Shirt. I still have mine. Wear it rarely, want to presserve it.
Neither do I wear it very often, hence the creases. ;-)
