So it's just
a matter to time now to see if Dyson has dropped the ball on this concept?
a matter to time now to see if Dyson has dropped the ball on this concept?
Dyson Launches The Ball in New York
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That dyson, I would like to see demonstrated, but im just not ready for that thing. someone i think westy mentioned the fantom, our local big lots had about 3 pallets of their uprights last summer, all refurbished of course, but i wasnt impressed. alr2903
That dyson, I would like to see demonstrated, but im just not ready for that thing. someone i think westy mentioned the fantom, our local big lots had about 3 pallets of their uprights last summer, all refurbished of course, but i wasnt impressed. alr2903
westytoploader
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Forgot to mention that you can remove the Hoover Convertible's motor in less than 5 minutes to access/clean the fan chamber...
Yes,thats what I like about the royals,Hoovers,Eurekas,Kirbys,and the list goes on-you can replace the belts and roller brushes yourself.The Dysson does have a wimpy roller brush in the older versions-the DC15"Ball" is supposed to have a larger diameter brush and a metal floor shoe.this is an improvement over the nasty plastic ones.Also the Dysons have a Ratchet device to protect the belt and motor if the roller brush ingests the sock under the bed.It would then make a loud "ratchet" sound alerting the user the brush is jammed.The Dyson has a cogged belt-I don't know what it is about vac builders and cogged belts that they insist that they replace the belt rather than you-its still a belt.By the time the roller brush is worn-so is the cogged belt.the Royal Powercast also has a cogged belt that they insist that a Royal servcecenter replace it and the roller brush strips.
veg-o-matic
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Riddle me this, Batman...
Not to stray too far off the topic, but why on earth would anyone want a bagless vacuum? They're all over the place now, and next to "continuous cleaning" ovens, got to be the stupidest idea ever.
Bagged vac: Remove full bag. Put in trash. Replace.
Bagless vacuum: Remove full container. Don't breath dust. Find place to dump it. Find a place outside to dump it. Dump it. Don't breathe dust. Wipe out container. Wait, go back inside to get a rag. Wipe out container. Should have used a paper towel. Shake out rag. Note to self: next time, stand upwind. Clean filter. Don't breathe dust. How to clean filter? Find owner's manual. Decide it's too much work. Go back inside. Replace filter and container.
By the time the bagless folks are done, I've got my machine put away and have my feet up with a martini in one hand and a cigarette in the other.
Okay, so you have to buy the replacement bags, but even I don't think that's going to break the bank, and I'm the World's Biggest Cheapskate.
veg, who doesn't vacuum often. Obviously.
Not to stray too far off the topic, but why on earth would anyone want a bagless vacuum? They're all over the place now, and next to "continuous cleaning" ovens, got to be the stupidest idea ever.
Bagged vac: Remove full bag. Put in trash. Replace.
Bagless vacuum: Remove full container. Don't breath dust. Find place to dump it. Find a place outside to dump it. Dump it. Don't breathe dust. Wipe out container. Wait, go back inside to get a rag. Wipe out container. Should have used a paper towel. Shake out rag. Note to self: next time, stand upwind. Clean filter. Don't breathe dust. How to clean filter? Find owner's manual. Decide it's too much work. Go back inside. Replace filter and container.
By the time the bagless folks are done, I've got my machine put away and have my feet up with a martini in one hand and a cigarette in the other.
Okay, so you have to buy the replacement bags, but even I don't think that's going to break the bank, and I'm the World's Biggest Cheapskate.
veg, who doesn't vacuum often. Obviously.
I can also go along with veg-o-matic-whats the point of the bagless machine-just a new variation of the cloth dump bag vacuum-in fact think those are less work-Its actually easier to dump the cloth bag than mess with the nasty filters.I too think the paper bag is less work-and may end up being less expensive after all.Those bagless vac filters can be more expensive than the bags.The Hoover windtunnel bagless filters you needed an air compresser as a blower to clean the filters and cough-cough.The bagged Windtunnel is better.
It's all a fad
and I think most folks will tire of them (bagless) eventually for many of the reasons above. No way am I going outside to empty a vac. For the most part with my bag vacs I just grab a grocery bag, slide it over the full bag in the machine and pop it out, no muss or fuss. With bagless you have to empty it into what? A trash "bag" of some sort regardless and end up with some cleaning up of the container and parts, most people probably forgo doing that in reality.
and I think most folks will tire of them (bagless) eventually for many of the reasons above. No way am I going outside to empty a vac. For the most part with my bag vacs I just grab a grocery bag, slide it over the full bag in the machine and pop it out, no muss or fuss. With bagless you have to empty it into what? A trash "bag" of some sort regardless and end up with some cleaning up of the container and parts, most people probably forgo doing that in reality.
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Bagless=messy??
^^^Exactly. If the Dyson vacuums indeed use a filter, then their advertising is horribly misleading, IMHO. We had a GE Bagless upright until early last year; it was a PITA to empty, and that FILTER...I would have to scrub it and put it in the dishwasher before it would ever get clean. No matter how many times I cleaned the filter, that vacuum was always in a perpetual state of suction loss and seemed weaker each time I used it. Same with a Euro-Pro "Shark" canister and a Eureka Mighty Mite, which had probably the dumbest accessory ever...a wand-mounted dirt cup! Needless to say none of them cleaned worth a s*** and met a quick demise in the trash. That pretty much sealed it for me--no more new plastic vacuums! I can change a top or bottom-fill bag on my uprights in less than a minute...really no time saved emptying and cleaning that damn filter/bin assembly, plus it's less messy and doesn't have to be done after each use! I also recently bought a vintage Simpson-Sears (Canada) canister (sidenote: weighs half as much as that Oreck XL yet is twice as powerful). With this machine, you twist the front cover to "unlock" it and remove the cloth bag. Again, no mess!
^^^Exactly. If the Dyson vacuums indeed use a filter, then their advertising is horribly misleading, IMHO. We had a GE Bagless upright until early last year; it was a PITA to empty, and that FILTER...I would have to scrub it and put it in the dishwasher before it would ever get clean. No matter how many times I cleaned the filter, that vacuum was always in a perpetual state of suction loss and seemed weaker each time I used it. Same with a Euro-Pro "Shark" canister and a Eureka Mighty Mite, which had probably the dumbest accessory ever...a wand-mounted dirt cup! Needless to say none of them cleaned worth a s*** and met a quick demise in the trash. That pretty much sealed it for me--no more new plastic vacuums! I can change a top or bottom-fill bag on my uprights in less than a minute...really no time saved emptying and cleaning that damn filter/bin assembly, plus it's less messy and doesn't have to be done after each use! I also recently bought a vintage Simpson-Sears (Canada) canister (sidenote: weighs half as much as that Oreck XL yet is twice as powerful). With this machine, you twist the front cover to "unlock" it and remove the cloth bag. Again, no mess!
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Boy, you gys hit it right on the head! When Bagless first came out, I thought "What a DUMB idea" a big step BACKWARDS. The whole point of bags in the first place was to elminate all the disadvantages noted. Yes, one has to buy them, and know where to get the correct ones, but if you're halfway orgainzed, that's not a big deal. The bagless thing is obviously for people who don't have their act together. And I hate to think what that clear plastic tank is going to look like after a while with all that abrasive dirt swirling around in it.
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I got a bagless last Christmas (cheap, Eureka Boss,$55) and I would have to agree it's not easy to clean the dirt container. Definately takes more effort than changing a bag. I have to be so carefull not to make a big mess. And I have to do it before each use. I'm sure the better ones (like the Dyson) can run longer before loosing power but it's a real pain. It's purpose wasn't to replace our regular vac but I ended up using it that way for a few months. I do have to say that there is something very satisfying about seeing how much dirt you actually pick up as you go. I have to agree with Venus, I havn't spent more than $100 on a vacuum since 1988 when I bought a Concept One ($200) so $400+ for a Dyson just doesn't seem right. BTW, for the vac experts; someone gave me an old Kirby Generation 3. They said it goes throught too many belts. I can see the problem is that the brush roller is too tight. Is it worth buying a new roller? How good is this machine? I think it's about 15 years old.
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Plastic dirt containers
That's another good point above about what is the bin going to look like after dirt swirling around inside like sandpaper. Not good at all, scratched and cloudy to the point of now being opaque rather than clear.
That's another good point above about what is the bin going to look like after dirt swirling around inside like sandpaper. Not good at all, scratched and cloudy to the point of now being opaque rather than clear.
At the Best Buy near me-there is two Dysom vacs returned-their dust cups are now translucent rather than clear.You wonder if the store staff cleaned or replaced the filter.Could be pretty nasty.and they wanted close to the price of a new one!
On the Kirby G3-probably as others say-hair or strings wrapped around the roller brush endsif you can clean these out may be OK-if not than the peice of hair or string got into the brush roll bearings-at that point you would need to replace it.A new brush roll is about $22-its worth it-the G3 is a good, compentent machine.If you can try to get the brush from a vac dealer-if you try a Kirby dealer-he may try to sell you a new machine.They are trained to do that.
On the Kirby G3-probably as others say-hair or strings wrapped around the roller brush endsif you can clean these out may be OK-if not than the peice of hair or string got into the brush roll bearings-at that point you would need to replace it.A new brush roll is about $22-its worth it-the G3 is a good, compentent machine.If you can try to get the brush from a vac dealer-if you try a Kirby dealer-he may try to sell you a new machine.They are trained to do that.
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Living in an area with naturally sandy soil, that's one of the main things I pick up when I vacuum, so having either a canister, clean-air upright, or an upright with a sturdy fan helps. The GE's container did indeed become a little scratched up inside after 2 years of picking up sand, but nothing too terrible, really. The Mighty Mite and Shark didn't fare so well in that aspect...
I also live in an area with sandy soil.Have found the direct air-fan first machines are still the best in getting it up-as well as stiff roller brush bristles and or metal beater bars.Brush stiffeners(Royal and Kirby Diamond G) help a lot.The sand wears out plastic fans fast here-esp Sanitaire lexan fans.Kirby ones hold up a little longer.The Dirt cups in Dysons and other bagless machines cloud up quickly.the really find sad here clogs the bagless filters quickly.
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bagless? no way
I quite pleased with my two vintage estate-sale Electrolux machines, which cost a combined total of $35.00 and came with two boxes of factory bags....(I have hardwood and in the basement, vinyl; so I don't need an upright)
I quite pleased with my two vintage estate-sale Electrolux machines, which cost a combined total of $35.00 and came with two boxes of factory bags....(I have hardwood and in the basement, vinyl; so I don't need an upright)
