Fisher & Paykel FabricSmart Steam FL
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I believe the two experts are only involved with top loaders. I'm curious about these two new front loaders also. I don't think F&P actually produces these though.
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Haier aquired F&P.
As they had no own FL platform or dryer platform, Haier just used that chance to make more money out of the F&P brand.
The TL redesign happend around the same time, which I suppose was made so that Haier could produce the contols on their production lines. Haier controls are pretty decent, and luckily, they did not touch the TL wash system (much).
F&P and Haier were cooperating on their direct drive (only true Smart Drive) designs for years already AFAIK.
The FL is a platform sold around the earth, literally, and is a pretty decent performer, while generally durability is questionabel.
One great thing is the flexibility, speed and performance of the cycles. Every cycle has its right to exist (no copy-paste cycles here), and most of them are verry usable.
Plenty of options avaible on plenty of cycles.
Quick cycle times (most anything can be done in a hour) and the Vortex wash does a pretty decent job at what this washer needs.
Good extraction and (for a 24" machine) decently sized drum.
The main culprit however is that the tub is a direct clone from most other standard depth Haier machines and these are known to have bearing issues pretty early and pretty frequently.
I don't think the tub is actually welded together, but parts are beyond expensive and Haiers service is VERRY BAD.
There are several videos up; I can high recomand Daean's washer video channel (see link).
The dryers are verry "meh": The vented and condenser versions run way to hot, and the heatpum versions are slow AF.
Haier aquired F&P.
As they had no own FL platform or dryer platform, Haier just used that chance to make more money out of the F&P brand.
The TL redesign happend around the same time, which I suppose was made so that Haier could produce the contols on their production lines. Haier controls are pretty decent, and luckily, they did not touch the TL wash system (much).
F&P and Haier were cooperating on their direct drive (only true Smart Drive) designs for years already AFAIK.
The FL is a platform sold around the earth, literally, and is a pretty decent performer, while generally durability is questionabel.
One great thing is the flexibility, speed and performance of the cycles. Every cycle has its right to exist (no copy-paste cycles here), and most of them are verry usable.
Plenty of options avaible on plenty of cycles.
Quick cycle times (most anything can be done in a hour) and the Vortex wash does a pretty decent job at what this washer needs.
Good extraction and (for a 24" machine) decently sized drum.
The main culprit however is that the tub is a direct clone from most other standard depth Haier machines and these are known to have bearing issues pretty early and pretty frequently.
I don't think the tub is actually welded together, but parts are beyond expensive and Haiers service is VERRY BAD.
There are several videos up; I can high recomand Daean's washer video channel (see link).
The dryers are verry "meh": The vented and condenser versions run way to hot, and the heatpum versions are slow AF.
joeypete
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Yeah I don't know much about their FL's...but there are a few videos on YT showing their operation.
Their "normal" dryers seems quite nice. They are made by GE, and were even before Haier acquired GE appliances.
Their "normal" dryers seems quite nice. They are made by GE, and were even before Haier acquired GE appliances.
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