you have to think.. most people u ask if the machine has an up and down agitator or not do not know what the heck ur talking about, i wouldn't be surprised if the owner never saw this machine washing with the lid open once!! people used tho think i was weird for watching washers with the lid open. there are a lot of people who could care less about washing machines and agitation, which is sad, they don't know what they are missing! i find it relaxing and therapuetic, when my grandma and uncle died, i was so upset, i just went downstairs and watched my filter flo through 2 loads, made me feel a LOT better.