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stevet
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Can they be
more specific?
What exactly is wrong with it? If it needs a front bearing, they are still readily available I am sure. The rear bearing is more problematic as it was a sleeve bearing. The centrifugal start switch may have been damaged when they took it apart but should be available somewhere ad they still use them in many motors.
Hopefully they did not make it worse than when they got it from you so maybe you will have to get it back and try a better motor shop.
more specific?
What exactly is wrong with it? If it needs a front bearing, they are still readily available I am sure. The rear bearing is more problematic as it was a sleeve bearing. The centrifugal start switch may have been damaged when they took it apart but should be available somewhere ad they still use them in many motors.
Hopefully they did not make it worse than when they got it from you so maybe you will have to get it back and try a better motor shop.
Rotor
Rotor is melted down, he said it could be repaired, rotor would be $900 to $1000.00 also need a new rewind and new bearings, shaft needs to be re-tooled. He can do everything but the rotor. His part would be about $600 to $700 dollars. He would have to send rotor out to be redone somewhere back east. That would be about $1700 dollars total. That's a lot. It would be better to start looking for another machine.
Joe
Rotor is melted down, he said it could be repaired, rotor would be $900 to $1000.00 also need a new rewind and new bearings, shaft needs to be re-tooled. He can do everything but the rotor. His part would be about $600 to $700 dollars. He would have to send rotor out to be redone somewhere back east. That would be about $1700 dollars total. That's a lot. It would be better to start looking for another machine.
Joe
stevet
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OH BOY!!
Was the motor just sitting there cooking itself? STIll sounds inconceivable. I guess it may be time to get it back and look for another machine like it out there to make one out of 2. JUST so you don't feel so bad, the newer style vertical motors commanded some incredible prices as well brand new. Well close to a grand too and these were the ones that would have fit the newer style Kitchenaids as well as the commercial UM machines.
Maybe you can scout around at some rest equipment companies who go in and dismantle restaurants and auction off the equipment. Maybe some really old donut shops may have had some really old undercounter um's like your KD10. Or even a closed down bar and grill. Many of the UM's were used as glass washers in the bars.
Hope you find something. Just don't give up hope.
Was the motor just sitting there cooking itself? STIll sounds inconceivable. I guess it may be time to get it back and look for another machine like it out there to make one out of 2. JUST so you don't feel so bad, the newer style vertical motors commanded some incredible prices as well brand new. Well close to a grand too and these were the ones that would have fit the newer style Kitchenaids as well as the commercial UM machines.
Maybe you can scout around at some rest equipment companies who go in and dismantle restaurants and auction off the equipment. Maybe some really old donut shops may have had some really old undercounter um's like your KD10. Or even a closed down bar and grill. Many of the UM's were used as glass washers in the bars.
Hope you find something. Just don't give up hope.
KD-10 KD-11 KD-12 Wanted!!!!!
I know that this is a hard question. But is there anyone sitting on a KD-10 that would be willing to sell it?
Or is there anyone willing to sell their KD-11 or Kd-12?
I know it is hard to part with our machines but I could really use your help.
If you have a KD-10 that is just sitting that you would be willing to part out. It would be cheaper to send a couple of parts at a time then to ship the whole machine.
Please let me know.
Joe
I know that this is a hard question. But is there anyone sitting on a KD-10 that would be willing to sell it?
Or is there anyone willing to sell their KD-11 or Kd-12?
I know it is hard to part with our machines but I could really use your help.
If you have a KD-10 that is just sitting that you would be willing to part out. It would be cheaper to send a couple of parts at a time then to ship the whole machine.
Please let me know.
Joe
Motor Cooked
Hey Steve,
I was running a load of dishes in the KD-10. I am always at home when I used vintage machines. It was about half way through the wash and I smelled it. I immediately went and shut it down and disconnected it. So no the motor was not just sitting there cooking itself. That is why I have have such a hard time that it is that bad.
Thanks Steve for all your help.
I would appreciate it if everyone would help me look for a donor machine motor etc..
Let me know.
Joe
Hey Steve,
I was running a load of dishes in the KD-10. I am always at home when I used vintage machines. It was about half way through the wash and I smelled it. I immediately went and shut it down and disconnected it. So no the motor was not just sitting there cooking itself. That is why I have have such a hard time that it is that bad.
Thanks Steve for all your help.
I would appreciate it if everyone would help me look for a donor machine motor etc..
Let me know.
Joe
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Somebody:
Please come to the rescue with a good or rebuildable motor for Joe!
I really think he deserves it; he's proved himself a wonderful custodian of the vintage things he already owns.
If this was someone making a first post, where they asked the impossible, I'd hold my tongue, but Joe has paid some dues.
Joe, if I had one, it would be yours already.
Please come to the rescue with a good or rebuildable motor for Joe!
I really think he deserves it; he's proved himself a wonderful custodian of the vintage things he already owns.
If this was someone making a first post, where they asked the impossible, I'd hold my tongue, but Joe has paid some dues.
Joe, if I had one, it would be yours already.
Thanks Sandy!!!!!!
Thanks Sandy,
Your the best!!! I believe I have some friends on this site and I do believe in the goodness of humankind.
I think we can work on this together and somehow someway it will all workout. I am not ready to throw in the towel.
Something will come up.
Joe
Thanks Sandy,
Your the best!!! I believe I have some friends on this site and I do believe in the goodness of humankind.
I think we can work on this together and somehow someway it will all workout. I am not ready to throw in the towel.
Something will come up.
Joe
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Yep!
"....somehow someway it will all work out."
You already have the most important factors in solving this - acceptance and patience.
Could it be that a certain Packard taught you about those things, LOL?
"....somehow someway it will all work out."
You already have the most important factors in solving this - acceptance and patience.
Could it be that a certain Packard taught you about those things, LOL?
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Rallying the Troops:
Here ya go - we're asking everybody:
Here ya go - we're asking everybody:
This is bad news... But I wish you luck in your search for a replacement motor for your ailing KD-10. How strange that something that seemed so simple could amount to so much: Perhaps the issues with the motor were developing and something lost enough tolerance to cause the complete failure.
A fair warning for all members here with vintage machines: Care for your machines, and pay attention to the sounds they make. Most importantly, it might be prudent to remove the motor and have components repaired BEFORE they go bad.
BUT: I hope this song is a appropriate and keeps your spirits high during your search:
Lyrics linked below, if you need help deciphering the song
http://artists.letssingit.com/the-seekers-lyrics-keep-a-dream-in-your-pocket-s6w4mrn
A fair warning for all members here with vintage machines: Care for your machines, and pay attention to the sounds they make. Most importantly, it might be prudent to remove the motor and have components repaired BEFORE they go bad.
BUT: I hope this song is a appropriate and keeps your spirits high during your search:
Lyrics linked below, if you need help deciphering the song
http://artists.letssingit.com/the-seekers-lyrics-keep-a-dream-in-your-pocket-s6w4mrn
firedome
Well-known member
KA-10/11/12s
seem to pop up on a semi-regular basis, I'm sure everyone here will keep their eyes peeled! As a former Packard owner (2 '56s) myself, you know quality...just "Ask the Man Who Owns One!"
seem to pop up on a semi-regular basis, I'm sure everyone here will keep their eyes peeled! As a former Packard owner (2 '56s) myself, you know quality...just "Ask the Man Who Owns One!"
danemodsandy
Well-known member
This Is a Job For....
STEVET!
Here's what I'm wondering, and I think stevet could help more than anyone else with the question:
First, what is the part number for the motor? And,
Second, does it cross over to anything Hobart? Remember that KitchenAid began as Hobart's "residential" line, based on their commercial stuff, and that the farther back you go, the more parts-sharing there was between the two brands.
So, if stevet could chime in here, I think it would be helpful. Even if we don't find that Hobart repair centers have an off-the-shelf replacement, it might be that we find that something of Hobart's used the same motor, and we could find a rebuildable core that way.
STEVET!
Here's what I'm wondering, and I think stevet could help more than anyone else with the question:
First, what is the part number for the motor? And,
Second, does it cross over to anything Hobart? Remember that KitchenAid began as Hobart's "residential" line, based on their commercial stuff, and that the farther back you go, the more parts-sharing there was between the two brands.
So, if stevet could chime in here, I think it would be helpful. Even if we don't find that Hobart repair centers have an off-the-shelf replacement, it might be that we find that something of Hobart's used the same motor, and we could find a rebuildable core that way.
stevet
Well-known member
Out Of Luck, My Friends!
Let's start by saying that the 10 series had a nice production run but was replaced in the early 50's and keeping with the Hobart policy of keeping spare parts available for 15 years, the parts for that series would have been obsolete by 1969 or so with whatever remaining inventory that was left, not being replenished after that time. This series may have had an extended period of availability due to how many of the commercial UM's were still out there.
And yes, many parts that were used in the commercial machines made their way to the domestic machines as well which allowed them to enjoy additional time for replacement parts. That is, there were plenty of Vertical motor UM's out there well into the late 80's and 90's and I remember some into the very early 2000's.
These machines had a replenishment date of 1994 so the parts began to disappear soon thereafter.
Take into account the sale to Whirlpool in 86 and their discontinuance of replacement parts for the older series as we have all seen and you can see why it has become nearly impossible to find spares for our beloved machines.
The last motor for a KD10 I saw was back in like 1980 or 81 when I had probably one of the last ones available in my hands in the parts room in the NY Hobart office. It was a hefty motor for sure, about as big and heavy as the vertical motors we know from the 12 and 14 series.
I had the sad duty to take it out back and toss it into a dumpster as we were writing off all the obsolete parts at that time. No demand and no machines to support meant it had to be scrapped. Even if I had foreseen the future and managed to save it from the scrap heap, I surely would have thrown it away as I had done with all the parts I had accumulated for the 12 and 14 series machines thru the years. Once the last family member tossed his KDS14 (built in '62)to the curb in 1996, I saw no reason to keep the parts for it. I actually had a complete KD14 motor sealed in a box which I wound up selling to an exporter to go to his customer in the Middle East.
A few years ago I checked on the availability of the UM-4 motor which would not accommodate the drain pump for the K/A series machines and it was well over $1000 bucks. At what point is a vintage machine not worth fixing?
I checked for the motor number listed above just for the heck of it and it doesn't even come up as an active part number anymore. So I have nothing more to offer in that search.
I did find a source for the shaft seal and have noted it in the other thread on this machine. That and maybe the top motor bearing is about all you would be able to get now.
Let's start by saying that the 10 series had a nice production run but was replaced in the early 50's and keeping with the Hobart policy of keeping spare parts available for 15 years, the parts for that series would have been obsolete by 1969 or so with whatever remaining inventory that was left, not being replenished after that time. This series may have had an extended period of availability due to how many of the commercial UM's were still out there.
And yes, many parts that were used in the commercial machines made their way to the domestic machines as well which allowed them to enjoy additional time for replacement parts. That is, there were plenty of Vertical motor UM's out there well into the late 80's and 90's and I remember some into the very early 2000's.
These machines had a replenishment date of 1994 so the parts began to disappear soon thereafter.
Take into account the sale to Whirlpool in 86 and their discontinuance of replacement parts for the older series as we have all seen and you can see why it has become nearly impossible to find spares for our beloved machines.
The last motor for a KD10 I saw was back in like 1980 or 81 when I had probably one of the last ones available in my hands in the parts room in the NY Hobart office. It was a hefty motor for sure, about as big and heavy as the vertical motors we know from the 12 and 14 series.
I had the sad duty to take it out back and toss it into a dumpster as we were writing off all the obsolete parts at that time. No demand and no machines to support meant it had to be scrapped. Even if I had foreseen the future and managed to save it from the scrap heap, I surely would have thrown it away as I had done with all the parts I had accumulated for the 12 and 14 series machines thru the years. Once the last family member tossed his KDS14 (built in '62)to the curb in 1996, I saw no reason to keep the parts for it. I actually had a complete KD14 motor sealed in a box which I wound up selling to an exporter to go to his customer in the Middle East.
A few years ago I checked on the availability of the UM-4 motor which would not accommodate the drain pump for the K/A series machines and it was well over $1000 bucks. At what point is a vintage machine not worth fixing?
I checked for the motor number listed above just for the heck of it and it doesn't even come up as an active part number anymore. So I have nothing more to offer in that search.
I did find a source for the shaft seal and have noted it in the other thread on this machine. That and maybe the top motor bearing is about all you would be able to get now.
KD-10 Motor
Hi Joe, I sent you an Message yesterday saying that I still have the parts we had talked about last year, including a good main motor for your DW, I tested it for over an hour and you can hardly hear it run, call or message me if you still need it.
John L.
Hi Joe, I sent you an Message yesterday saying that I still have the parts we had talked about last year, including a good main motor for your DW, I tested it for over an hour and you can hardly hear it run, call or message me if you still need it.
John L.
danemodsandy
Well-known member
John:
I wanted to say "thanks" for coming up with a motor for this machine. Joe has a very well-cared-for vintage kitchen stocked with lots of goodies, and the KD-10 was intended to be one of the "crown jewels" of his collection. He's had some disappointment, so bad that we all feel it, so your offer is a terrific thing to see.
Joe, I am glad something is breaking loose for you. I know this thread has a lot of ups and downs in it, so kudos for hanging in there. I would not mind having a KD-10 myself one of these days, so you're teaching me things as you go along.
I wanted to say "thanks" for coming up with a motor for this machine. Joe has a very well-cared-for vintage kitchen stocked with lots of goodies, and the KD-10 was intended to be one of the "crown jewels" of his collection. He's had some disappointment, so bad that we all feel it, so your offer is a terrific thing to see.
Joe, I am glad something is breaking loose for you. I know this thread has a lot of ups and downs in it, so kudos for hanging in there. I would not mind having a KD-10 myself one of these days, so you're teaching me things as you go along.
stevet
Well-known member
See.. Miracles do happen!
John,
Something told me that you might have a motor hanging around your shop. Glad we can keep that unit going for another 50 years!
John,
Something told me that you might have a motor hanging around your shop. Glad we can keep that unit going for another 50 years!
Yes
Yes John I want it!!!!!
How much for the motor and how much for shipping?
Joe Sanchez
431 7th Ave
Sweet Home, Oregon 97386
Thanks so much!!!!!
Joe
What is your phone number?
Mine is 541-367-5037
I am home today, Please call!!
Yes John I want it!!!!!
How much for the motor and how much for shipping?
Joe Sanchez
431 7th Ave
Sweet Home, Oregon 97386
Thanks so much!!!!!
Joe
What is your phone number?
Mine is 541-367-5037
I am home today, Please call!!
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Joe:
Might be a good idea to message John through the AW message system as well. He won't see your post here unless he remembers to come back to this thread, and he's a busy guy. The message system will put an alert on the home page - when he visits AW again, he'll see it.
Might be a good idea to message John through the AW message system as well. He won't see your post here unless he remembers to come back to this thread, and he's a busy guy. The message system will put an alert on the home page - when he visits AW again, he'll see it.
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