How old would this Cascade be?

[rpms]

I was painting a house for a lady and her kitchen was being gutted.
I saw this box go into the garbage and I thought it was from the 70's? After getting a good look it is much earlir than than. Would it be from the 80s or 90s?
The granuels have a slight green colour to them and it smells nice.
No mention on the package anywhere about phosphates.

 

[rpms]

How old would this Cascade be?

Has paper over box.

 

[rpms]

How old would this Cascade be?

I asked her if I could have it and she wanted to know if I had a dishwasher? I told her I had 4.
The look of horror on her face! She said, take the dishwasher too. It is brand new and I have never used it, hate them.
Would this dishwasher be as old as the detergent?

 

[rpms]

How old is this Cascade?

Inside.

 

[mich]

This isn't an American...

version of Cascade, but instead, a formula for other regions. It should have about 30 to 42.5% phosphorus by weight, so, it's loaded with Phosphates  

 

Because some countries don't have the same, chemical disclosure, or "hazardous chemical acts" your probably not going to find much information, if any at all on that box. However, I can tell you it's from the very early 1990's, and isn't an American Marketed Box. 

 

I'd imagine, it's a Chlorinated Detergent (as was all early Cascade Formulas), and uses Phosphates as the main builder. 

 

[joe_in_philly]

The inside of that machine looks like mint condition!

 

[washer111]

If that detergent is as old as the dishwasher, then I'm guessing it would probably contain a "decent amount" of phosphates. I would't worry too much about the age, so long as it hasn't started to break down as a result of exposure to moisture. 

 

And by the way, that dishwasher certainly looks superb. A nice score. I think these machines actually have the porcelain interior as opposed to the "PermaTuf" tub that G.E. were using in the same time period. Depending on the presence of a multi-orbit wash-arm and self-cleaning filter, this machine is probably equivalent to a 900 series Potscrubber by G.E. 

Link below is for another user who picked up a similar machine:

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?34227
 

Do you think we could get some more pictures of that dishwasher?

 

[rpms]

How old is this Cascade?

Dishwasher

 

[rpms]

How old is this cascade?

Couldn't wait to try it! Dishwasher is all loaded up. During the wash cycle I could smell Cascade, almost like Aunt Doris's Kenmore from the 70s.

 

[rpms]

How old is this Cascade?

Verdict...ewwww.
I have overloaded this dishwasher for 18 years and I have never seen dishes as dirty as this. Everything is back in with a Finish Powerball.

 

[rpms]

How old is this Cascade?

Dang, maybe it is just too old?
Maybe just use it as a pre-wash to get the scent? It was a brand new box.

 

[mich]

Could you post...

The Caution, information?

 

[mich]

Well, would you look at this



Looks like the packaging is the same

 

[washer111]

Perhaps:

The detergent's 'Tips' sections tells users that they should be using very hot water (60ºC/140ºF) to do the washing. Perhaps your dishwasher just runs too cold for this to be an effectively-performing dishwasher detergent?

 

I would advise against using this detergent in the Pre-Wash, considering its Chlorine content. Simply because the enzymes in your Finish Powerball may be killed off by residual detergent going into the Main-Wash, especially if the machine does a Pre-Wash -> Wash -> Rinse -> Rinse sequence of water changes. 

 

[laundromat]

The dishwasher looks like a White Westinghouse .

 

[mich]

Have you ever thought?

That maybe you simply overloaded the appliance? One generally wants everything, nice and well organized, so the water spray reaches the Dishes really well.

 

[washer111]

@mich

Considering "rpms" explained he normally gets perfect results with his regular detergent, I don't think this is really a problem. 

 

The biggest issue here would have to be the age and condition of the detergent as a whole. Considering it could be 20 years old, the stuff is likely to have been exposed to a lot of moisture, which will have broken down the Chlorine-Bleach, Phosphates and fillers added. Then again, if the kitchen still stank of bleach afterwards.... 

 

[mich]

@washer111

I've ran into a lot of very old Cascade Boxes. Generally, the old, old boxes, are well foil lined enough, that the stuff tends to stay free flowing. While I can't say, I know it's full strength, it sure does, seem to preform very well.

Chlorine itself, in Dishwasher Detergent, has never been able, to fully dissolve food. Chlorine, breaks down protein very slowly, unlike Enzymes which can preform in a faster cycle. While one generally can't compare the stuff, apples to apples, Chlorine has some power. It will, dissolve and leave most things shiny (in newer, two hour machines), but in quicker, water using dishwashers, that sand blast plates, it's simply no comparison.

One thing, that would show, (if most of the content, had been destroyed) is the Box. Because of the Chlorine content, the top of the box would start to look very faded. The Chlorine would literately remove a decent bit of the dye, which, doesn't look like it's happened.

I'd bet that it's near full strength, as all the Old Cascade Boxes, I have found. It just doesn't have enough time to do it's job.

 

[mich]

@rpms..

Considering this Cascade Formula, probably averages about, 3-4% Chlorine. (Almost the same amount, old strength Clorox) I probably wouldn't use it, in the Pre-Wash. The chlorine content, could kill off the Enzymes, in your current detergent, messing up the performance.

I would keep it around though, as it's nice to have a Bleach laden detergent, when you feel the need to disinfect something The stuff is also nice, to keep around, should you need to wash any fine china. It shouldn't damage them.

 

[rpms]

I tried the Cascade again today. The dishwasher wasn't as full and the dishes were not as dirty.

 

[rpms]

I used the hi temp wash and the final rinse is heated.

 

[rpms]

The dishes were fairly clean. The mugs still had faint stains on them. The silverware wasn't clean at all and had granuels stuck all over.
I wonder if running the Cascade through a food processor would help it dissolve?