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I didn't want to hijack Maytagbear's thread since this is landlord/tenant issues but is totally different. I hope that how I describe this situation doesn't make it sound petty or inconsequential because it really is a huge deal to me there have been alot of hurt feelings and at least one lost friendship over it.
I own two homes. One of which is my parents old home which I was raised in. The other is a 3 bedroom 2 bath home which I built on 10 acres that my parents gave me in 1999. The new home I turned into a licensed adult foster care home in 2002. After running it for 2 years there were some large assisted living centers built around us that took most of the business and I ended up closing my home. My partner and I went to Charleston S.C. for a year and worked for a Hospitality Management Company troubleshooting at a hotel there. We came back in the Spring of 2005 and moved back into the new home. As fall and the colder weather came we decided to move into the older home which is quite a bit smaller and easier to heat. We hadn't been able to find jobs yet and were only drawing unemployment. I had planned on winterizing the new home and just letting it sit vacant for the winter and eventually relicensing it and giving the care home another try. Then one day my life long (since 5th grade) friend called and asked if her and her b/f could rent it for a couple of months. She said all they could pay was 600 per month. Now I know that rents vary all around the country but 600 per month here is very cheap for a home. Also, all my things both personal and professional were still in that home. We only brought what we needed to the old home because we didn't plan on staying there. Plus, all the appliances in the new home were brand new, new side by side maytag fridge, new T/L Neptune Washer and Matching dryer, New Maytag tall tub dishwasher and also a Amana upright freezer the largest that I could buy. After, talking it over with my partner we decided that even though it wasn't what it was worth we could use the income. So, I agreed to rent it for 2 months. That was 2 years ago. Last summer I finally had enough and told my friend that our agreement was only for 2 years and I wanted at least 850 per month for the house or they would have to leave. Per her own words she said fine that she would pay the extra 250 and her b/f could continue to pay the rest. That lasted one month. Then the next month she broke the doorhandle on the dishwasher. 107 to install a new handle so she deducted that from her portion of the rent because she had it repaired. I told her I didn't feel that a dishwasher was a necessity and that all of the appliances were new when they moved in. I made it very clear to her that I would not repair anymore appliances that they wear out or ruin. I would only be responsible for the heat and plumbing and electrical and other normal maintenance. If one of the appliances broke they would either have it fixed at their expense or else get new ones and remove mine. I think this is fair...Am I wrong? To be honest I'm so pissed at her over the whole thing that I just want them both gone. My partner says that she knew when she moved in that it was going to be until I got pissed and threw them out. I don't know. I'm too trusting and way too naive sometimes but I try and see the best in everyone and all I could think about was what good friends we were as kids and that she needed me now. Please let me know what you all think. I'm very open to suggestions. This whole situation has broken my heart.
Signed,
Sucker in Michigan.
P.S. Sorry this is so long
P.P.S. Sorry I forgot the whole point of the story...I cannot pay the mortgage, taxes and insurance on that home for what they're paying in rent. It's coming out of my pocket every month which is getting very very shallow.
 
Sorry to hear about your problems but you really really really need to read up on Michigans Landlord/tenant policies. You may be stuck between a rock and a hard place and have to follow those guidelines to get them out. Friendship or falling out of friendship has nothing to do with it regarding tenancy laws. You are the landlord and she is the tenant, that is all that will be considered in any legal dispute. Not your good intentions.
 
Well it's spilled milk now in this instance but if you do start over with another tenant make absolutely sure everything is spelled out on the rental/lease form. There's probably a fairly standard Michigan one available. As a landlord you pretty much have to know the guidelines inside out and upside down.
 
I rent houses in California, and I have it written in the lease agreement that the tenant is responsible for repairs to the refrigerator, washer and dryer. I am responsible for repairs for built-in appliances (such as the dishwasher), and the range. I have appliances in perfect working order when tenants move in. In California, the landlord is responsible for repairing appliances that need repairs that result from ordinary wear and tear unless otherwise specified in the lease agreement. Repairs that resulted from tenant abuse would be the tenant's responsibility. I am sorry that this has been such a trial for you. It is terrible to lose a friend of so many years.
 
Unless your tenant signed a lease and it sounds to me that she didnt....I would give her 30 days to get out. When there is no lease she is an "at will" tenant. Some states differ from one another as far as laws go. We have a situation where we let my partner's friend move into the apartment downstairs. As they say never rent to friends especially a nosy queen at that. He loves to run his mouth and loves to see how much crap he can stir up. Stuff that isnt there. I have bit my tongue many times but I have had enough and when I have had it with someone they need to get out of dodge.
If I knew then what I know now I would have said Hell NO he aint movin in. I think we all have something like that happen to us at one time or another.
 
I quickly read thru the Michigan tenancy laws and you are in a bit of a pickle. With no signed lease or rental agreement page 4, you entered into what is called a periodic or a tenancy at will. It also states that such agreements shall not exceed 12 months at which time a written and signed lease must be made out. You could be in trouble for that so downplay it, be nice and try and get her out amicably Any which way you cannot just evict her you have to follow the eviction guidelines by giving her proper written notification. If I were you I wouldn't argue over the broken dishwasher or deduction she made in the rent and just give her the eviction notice and hope she just goes peacefully and be done with it. Lesson learned for next time.
Don't rent to anyone without a lease!!!
 
Bill

Check your laws. If you state that you or another blood
relation needs to move in , it might make it easier for
you to evict. Just make sure you don't get caught trying
to refurbish the house and rent it for more, (there my be
a period of time that you have to live in the place , and then
may legally do that) a tenant could easily win a settlement
if that is proven to be the circumstance.
Of course you could sit down and write her a letter telling her what a rotten snot she is for treating a life long friendhip so poorly.
 
Thanks to all of you...

Thank You all so much for taking the time to read this and give your opinions. I'm usually a very rational person but when you get emotions involved it's not so easy. I haven't decided just yet how I'm going to handle it. But, I certainly appreciate your responses...You guys are great!
Thanks again
Bill
 
Yea we NEVER rent to friends at all.I live in Tennessee and my Parents own two Trailer Parks(LOL)Yea Redneck as hell but they make a Killen.We take care of the Heat/Air and the Dishwasher,Plumbing but the rest is there Problem.We also collect rent by the week cause here if you collect by the week you can give them a week to get out otherwise if the pay by the month you haved to give them 30Days.My Dad always told me Never Rent to friends or sell a car to friends and he is right it can ruin a friendship bad.You are in a tough spot I have been there by renting out a trailer not telling my Parents I knew them well it went BAD real BAD.Its hard to be a friend and a Landlord.
 
It works, when friends are friends...

of course, if this woman were really a "friend", you wouldn't be having these problems...
At this point, it is probably best to cut your losses and legally evict them. A visit to a lawyer is guaranteed to be cheaper than having a judge explain the laws against you later.
My personal experiences with friends have been positive, so I guess I will have to disagree with many of the above statements. I've rented to friends, shared cars with friends...never had any trouble. I have always been very clear and upfront...and I guess my definition of "friend" is pretty tightly drawn. Since I live between two countries, I make my apartment in Munich available to out-of-town friends. I'd much rather have neighbors see people coming and going than an empty place for several months. Things occasionally get broken or spilled on...but they've always been replaced, repaired or paid for.
Which is more than I can say for most of my family...
 
Hi Bill

Sounds like the home should be rented for 1600.00 a month if you ask me.

I would tell her that your really in a money crunch and have to rent it to someone else. That you have a offer for that or something and that they want to move in soon. If you make yourself look like the bad guy hopefully things won't get torn up. Make her feel sorry for you but, tell her that you don't have a choice.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
 
Update

I spoke with the boyfriend yesterday....apparently I'm not the only one who's skin she's gotten under. He asked me would I still rent to him if he kicked her out... I just told him that I would prefer not to rent that house at all. That if that happened I may consider renting the house that I'm currently living in. He told me that he felt really bad about the way she handled things and that he would sign a lease and be responsible for repairs and damages in this house. Also, yesterday the Neptune top loader quit draining during a load. This is the first time it has happened. He asked me if I minded if he took a look at it. I told him not at all. He took the pump out and cleaned a huge slug of lint and pet hair out of it and put it back together and it works fine now. Needless to say that made a huge impression on me whether or not to rent to him in the future.
Bethann I like the way you think...and yes I had thought of that too.
Once again thanks for the links, support and advice. I may not post often but I'm here daily listening to everyones thoughts.
 
My approach would be to make her WANT to move.

Make it as miserable as you can within the law for her to be there and she'll want to move. Then it's unlikely she'll want to take you to court.

For example, is there anything you have been doing for her that you don't have to do? If so, quit doing it. Who does the lawn and shovels the snow? Whatever it is make it more painful for her to stay than to go. As long as you do it within the law it is a strategy that could work.

I used to have a boss who would always say if he had someone who he wanted out he'd let the headhunters know the person was interested in making a change. The rest happened on its own.
 

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