Thank you, Launderess. I looked at the drive (3.5 hrs each way) and decided to order another box of the 90 load Persil from Amazon before there is no trade with Germany. I am looking forward to Jetcone restarting the Rosalie's ZeroSuds machine, but don't know when that will be. I use the measure he provided, 13cc or about a tablespoon to measure out the SA8 for a load in the front loaders. It takes twice that amount or two tablespoons of Persil, but it is a little over half the cost and the money does not go to MAGA. Be well and thank you, again.