Last Saturday I brought home Miele triplets!

[revvinkevin]

But not just any Miele’s...... these are 7 year old (2013), TOL “Professional” W6065 Plus (Little Giant?) washers! I picked them up in Hollywood Saturday morning. They came out of the home of an extremely wealthy family who apparently owns A LOT of property on and around Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood (including a 1923 - 7450 sq. ft., 6 bed 4 bath mansion, on 1.26 acres of prime Hollywood real estate). The sellers were a couple guys who do the maintenance on their various properties. I was told “they” decided to replace these washers with newer models “just because”. It must be nice!

I downloaded and looked through the owners manual, then after changing the power cord (had the wrong type of plug for my use) I was able to hook one up and test it out. I have seen mention of a Miele “Little Giant” before, but OMG I had NO IDEA what these little beasts are capable of, WOW! Allow me to bore you with some of the options I discovered while scrolling through the “supervisors menu” in the washer.

First, these require a 240V, 30 amp circuit, unlike other US market Miele residential washers, which are 120V, since 2007. OK, here we go, you have the ability to change the parameters of a number of the wash programs, for example:

*adjust wash temp in 5° increments up to 200°F (depending on cycle)
*select the pre-wash temp (hot/cold)
*select the rinse temp (hot/cold)
*adjust spin speeds in 100 RPM steps up to 1400 RPM
*program up to a total of 5 rinses (default is 2)
*program certain cycles with one of 4 different water levels for the wash (rinse levels are always higher)
*program up to 2 pre-rinses for certain cycles
*add more wash time (+3, 6 or 12 mins) independently from the “intensive“ wash option etc.

Aside from all this, the heater in this machine must be nuclear powered because it heats the wash water CRAZY FAST! I washed some towels on Sunday (pic 3) and it raised the wash temp by 50°F in 12 minutes (pics 4 & 5). Cycle times are shorter as well. A similar cycle in my W1215 (also 240V) takes 30 mins longer.

The best part is I was able to buy them for a VERY small fraction of the original $4200 (each!) price!

 

[launderess]

Congrats!

You're becoming quite the Miele laundry appliance hoarder aren't you? *LOL*

If you come across any older Miele washers in your travels give us a shout please. Am still searching for a timer to my W1070. Hahaha

Where are you going to put all three of these washers? You've got two or three Miele washing machines already no?

As you've discovered main reason for these washers drawing so much current is they are professional/commercial units that don't mess about with heating. Then of course you've all those customized cycle variations.

Many of those washers can't be given away due to power requirements. Have seen them sit on eBay or CL for ages without so much as a nibble.

 

[chachp]

Love them!!

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Congrats Kevin.  My Miele wants to come visit his big brothers!!</span>

 

[chestermikeuk]

Miele Professional

Hi Kevin, great story and quite a haul there with the triplets , yal be opening a Miele Launderama at this rate ...yes those do heat fast usually multiple heaters for the job.

Looking forward to seeing them wash

 

[ozzie908]

PW6065

Nice machines and extremely versatile. If you decide you don't want it to heat so fast you can remove a heater from the relay and thus reduce your amperage.

Had the exact model myself a few years ago before replacing it with a new power wash 2 in hindsight I wish I had kept it as it just did what it had to and always gave excellent results.

Sold it to a friend who had an Inn and produced a lot of laundry so the Miele was wired to the wall and the 2nd heater put back in the mix and it sat next to a Speed Queen top loader....

Austin

 

[thomasortega]

Wow, I'm in love with them

Kevin, if (eventually) you want to get rid of one of those SS 120v miele, let me know first hand.

 

[combo52]

Miele Little Giant

Wow quite the haul Kevin, You can open a laundry in your home when you retire, I assume you are looking into adding Solar Panels to your home to run these.

 

As I am redoing my home laundry room I have left a space for one compact FL washer for my occasional smaller loads, I am not sure which one I will use yet, we do have some older Miele 240 volt FL machines around.

 

I was lured into picking up a really cute 2006 18" Miele DW on the scrap pile last week, its in great shape except the door latch handle is broken and of course it is NLA and there are none to be found on E bay etc, I guess I see why they got rid of it, LOL

 

John L.

 

[foraloysius]

Blimey! Someone wanted to spend on laundry equipment! IIRC those came overhere with a heating capacity of 6000 Watts, not sure though. Great haul! Enjoy them.

 

[cam2s]

Great find!

Absolute dream machine for me! I’ll have to start saving my pennies so I can have one in my next laundry room. Going to be saving a lot of pennies unless I find a steal like that! Happy washing with those beasts!

 

[cam2s]

Also regarding the nuclear powered heater...I thought I read somewhere that it could complete a full boil wash cycle in under an hour. At 4 degrees of temperature raise a minute it’s certainly feasible.

 

[henene4]

The standard cycle times on these were given as 49min for a 140F wash on a hot connection, 59min for cold only.

I think they weren't 6kw but 5kw, not sure though.
A boilwash was a little over an hour when connected to hot (about 2C per minute rise, makes for 30C rise 15min of heating).
Though any temp below 60C stayed the same. These usually do not do a wash timed by target temp but just pure time. Mainwash should be around 20min as standard, a little more maybe.
After sensing that is which is about 4 odd minutes IIRC.
Load sensing was present and cut time if for example cold water was selected in the set up but water was warm anyways.

So on the normal cottons you had any temp over 60C was - I think - listed as 1h04min, anything below that at 49min.
And 10min added for cold fill if selected.
Prewashes were pretty short by default (10min I think, if not only 5).

Except for a design issue on the first few gens where there was a sealing issue between display and electronics so that water vapour could get in there over time and cause that to fail, these are quite literally the definition of "tank".

Though the new generation has touch displays, so that might be what they wanted to get.

And it has somewhat bigger drums and even higher spin speeds on offer.

 

[appnut]

Wow Kevin.  Congratulations!!  Although I'm a bit green with envy due to the LiGis.  

 

[whirlykenmore78]

Fantastic haul Kevin:

These are the BEST compact washers available. Enjoy them in good health.
WK78.

 

[gansky1]

Awesome haul, Kevin.  My Miele gets used constantly,  faster heating would be a delightful leap in its performance.  Congrats!

 

 

 

[askolover]

I wish I could find something like that around here.  Although I did recently see an Asko on close out from $1500 down to $700 brand new....tempting...

 

[jerrod_six]

These times remind me of my W1986. 49 minutes for a 120F wash, 52 min for a 190F wash. I still have my 240-volt connection in my laundry too.

 

[anyandevery]

ooooo man i want...

those are sweet!

 

[golittlesport]

Yay Kev! You find the best deals!

Thomas, grab all your laundry and I'll grab mine and meet you at Kevin's!!

 

[thomasortega]

I'd love to, but I'm still during the honeymoon with my Frigidaire 1-18 so....

Wait, did you mention laundry? Do you want a free laundry service? Bring it HERE! As much as possible, s'il vous plait.

 

[thomasortega]

The way I love FS, I doubt Kevin would ever let me even think about doing my laundry in one of his machines. And Miele's dispenser is too small for 3 or 4... gallons! LOL

 

[mieleman]

Kevin, we also have 1215/1415 set in stainless as our daily machines.. got them from a pal who was selling a condo for super cheap. Been flawless for 2 yrs, but haven't tinkered with displays/options much to find out quantity of loads run, variations in temps, rinses, etc.

Do you have any information about that for those machines? Some of the cycles are still a bit of a mystery also... like 'sturdy' ?

 

[ozzie908]

Not sure if yours is the same as mine was

If memory serves the code to get into the settings is 0000 and the options you can find there are brilliant you can change all sorts of stuff like cycle times hot and cold fill or just cold extra rinses etc

Have fun

Austin

 

[revvinkevin]

Update?

 

Thank you all for your comments!

 

Launderess, "Moi" a Miele laundry appliance hoarder?  Umm...... possibly as I might just have 2 or 3!  

  

 

Austin, I should send you a private message so we can discuss disconnecting one of the heating elements.  Oh the code to get into the other menu is 000.

 

John, yes I certainly have enough machines to open my own launderette, not sure if I actually will tho, LOL.  Oh and yes I recently had 22 solar panels installed and the system was switched on just over a month ago! (pic 3)

 

Barry, as you can see I have umm, just a few Miele's including a W1215 I use every week, as well as a W1213 (white).  Yours look to be in as new condition, very nice!  Not sure if you saw the thread I posted in "Deluxe" on 9/27/20, but I have a Miele combi steam oven as well!  Plus picked up a Miele vacuum about 3 months ago.  Gee, maybe MY screen name should be "MieleMan"!  LOL

 

On to the update:  Well, turns out they didn't replace the machines "just because".  I connected and tested one washer last weekend and the other two today.

 

Washer #1 Seems to do everything it's supposed to, but leaks from inside the cabinet somewhere. I haven't checked into it yet.

 

Washer #2 The menu reverted back to "spanish" 4 times as I was going through the menu and trying different programs.  The tub light doesn't work, the cold water intake is slow, the inlet valve seems to be restricted or not opening fully.  The bigger problem is something is going on with the sump, pump or...?  I washed 5 dress shirts and on the first spin, it suds locked!!  When draining it takes the pump a few seconds to start pumping, but when it does the flow seems fine.  I opened the pump filter / clean out thing and it was clean, nothing in it.

 

Washer #3 Does<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> everything it's supposed to, but the tub light doesn't work.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Otherwise they all sound good and are very quiet when spinning @ 1400 rpm.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Kevin</span>

 

 

[henene4]

Drainage issue

I think these have a kind of vent pipe between the pump and the drawer that prevents the pump from air locking.

That can get clogged due to low temperature washing and certain liquid detergents.

Easy enough clean up, just have to get into the machine and check that hose.

 

[brisnat81]

I’ve had the issue that Henrik mentions, there is a vent hose on top of the pump, that goes up to a Y connector under the detergent dispenser.

Mine was blocked with bean bag beans.

Essentially, it would drain at the start until the sump cleared and then air got in there. Then when the spins started, it would struggle to clear whatever came out during the start of the spin.

Once I got it unblocked, it went back to normal.

Mine was on a 3000 series machine, which would be the same era as these.

 

[revvinkevin]

Henrik and Nathan, THANK YOU that is a really great tip! I will check that as soon as I get the chance.

Nathan, what you described is EXACTLY what it’s doing, in fact one time the pump was running, nothing draining, but some water was still visible in the drum.

 

[henene4]

Yeah

That hose is there so air can get out of the pump.

Something about that pump design causes an air pocket around the impeller to form, thus it can't "grab" onto the water.

Once something moves and it grabs the water everything starts to flow.

But once it sucks air again (right after drain) there is air around there again.

Then the spin starts but it can't drain due to the air buildup.
Thus, sudslocking, even with next to no load.

While the repair is relatively easy it's just kinda annoying since you have get the front of, remove the hose there, remove it from the dispenser area, get it out of there, clean that long narrow thing and then get that all back in there.

Not that few machines got trashed because of that issue over here.