Miele and AEG tumbling observation

[foraloysius]

Right now I am using both my AEG and Miele frontloader. While I was watching them I noticed one thing. For a while (until the timer of the AEG turned further) they tumbled simultaneously. Except that the Miele tumbled for 11 seconds and took a 4 seconds pause then tumbled the other way around and took another 4 seconds pause (times are estimates). In that same time the AEG tumbled only one way for 24 seconds and took a 6 seconds pause. While I always thought the pauses of the AEG were quite long the Miele pauses twice as much which means the Miele pauses longer in total than the AEG. I'm not really a detail man, but I noticed this just because they started tumbling exactly at the same moment and kept on doing that for a while. Very funny to watch!

 

[toggleswitch]

so Louis, how long it the tumble and the pause in each machine's "Gentle" cycle?

I know that in my Frid-Ge-More the KNITS/DELICATES cycle/programme has very Very long pauses and only a few seconds of tumbling. It is, in fact, SO delicate that I never use it.

 

[agiflow]

I thought FL washers were supposed to be inherently easier on laundry to begin with? Why the need for delicate tumbling?

( Ducks and runs quickly)

 

[robm]

AEG 2200 and a Miele Premier Novo

I have both the above next to each other and they were washing at the same time at the weekend. Although, I didn't time them they both had different tumbling times.

I loved watching them together, it was like being in the Lauderette as a child.

My Miele (and I'm sure this is univeral) can be set to wash more gently as a default. I love this feature and it can be used for all sorts of things, memory of last prog, soak time, water level etc. I set mine to deep level rinses and gentle action (the Miele normal action is very rough).

The AEG has a good wash action but is far more basic. I notice however, my Hotpoint/Merloni is very gentle.

Rob

 

[gadgetgary]

My original Maytag Neptune

Has two buttons for Hand Washables and Delicates....seems to me the tumbling is very minimal at those settings....wonder if they are ever used by anyone else who has(had) a Neptune.

I mostly use the Cotton/Sturdy cycle, and occasionally use the Easy Care/Permanent Press cycle.

I believe 'Max Extract' only works on the Cotton/Sturdy cycle.

 

[toggleswitch]

I thought FL washers were supposed to be inherently easier on laundry to begin with? Why the need for delicate tumbling?

My point exactly.

(Watch it Pat. LOL ROLF wink, wink).

 

[panthera]

wool

Agiflow, over here in Europe - the origin of most US front loaders in the last years - clothes are pretty much 100% natural fibers or, if blended, then only minimally.
Delicate or hand wash cycles over here tend, therefore, to be extremely gentle in order to keep wollens from "felting" and rayons (technically a non-synthetic fiber, if man-made) from being damaged (rayon is easily destroyed when wet).
My last Miele set to delicate would fill with lots of water, rotate the drom 1/4 turn to the right, pause a long time, then 1/4 turn to the left and so on. It would then rinse about a million times, spin up very very slowly to 600rpm (extremely slow for European machines) and slow down very slowly, finishing with a "Lockerungsprogramm" which really did untangle everything.
My current LG is similar, except it is even more restrained in its mechanical action.
Hmm, does that mean you folks like it swishier than we do?
(ducks and stays running)

 

[chrisbsuk]

hmmmm.... see this video of my machine doing a standard cycle. the action seems pretty tough but the amount of water in there seems to cushion the blow to the fabric. the real gentle cycles just dont clean at all

 

[toggleswitch]

Q~ Hmm, does that mean you folks like it swishier than we do?

A~ *LOL*. Yes we are more used to it. WORK that agitator, baby!

 

[agiflow]

Absolutely Panthera! The swishier the better ;-)

 

[launderess]

My Miele, and think for many other models/makes the difference between "Wool" and "Silk/Delicate/Handwash" programmes is the amount of water and amount of agitation/spinning.

My W770 uses high water for delicates, and extra high for wool. Tumbling is about 1/4 with pauses for delicates, and barely a turn with longer pauses for wool. Wool is felted by a combination of agitation and heat, thus it is possible to wash wool at high temps long as the fabric is not moved about. The "high water levels" of these programs mean wash action is very gentle because items are basically floating in water, thus cushioned. Three rinses,but no spins between for either program, with a graduated spin for delicates, but only a 30 sec spin for woolens.

Wool actually can be spun at 1100 rpms with no damage, in fact it is better to spin wool at high rpms thus it emerges almost dry from the washer,thus requiring less time lying about to dry. I simply reset my Miele to "high spin" and let it rip for about 1-2 mins.

My washer also has what Miele calls an "extended pre-soak" with variable temps, that uses the same cycle as the wool program. Machine fills with highest amount of water and gently tumbles every now and then. Cycle stops after about 30 mins with water still in machine. One must set the machine to "drain" or "spin" to complete the cycle.

L.

 

[peterh770]

Miele 1918

Delicate cycle - high water level and normal tumbling patterns. (Quite brisk and very splashy. The delicate action is provided by the high water level that cushions the load instead of slapping it on the tub. Best cycle for jeans and for loads that you don't want to wait 1 hour and 47 minutes for.)

Wool cycle - very low water level and slow "turnover" tub roll with extended pausing between rolls. (The tub turns a bit more than 360 degrees with about 20 seconds rest in between.)

"Gentle Action" option button - changes the washing patter on all cycles to about 5 seconds of abrieviated washing pattern and 10 seconds of rest. (I was disappointed that this didn't actually reduce drum speed. I almost never use this button; I use it in smaller loads to help prevent oversudsing.)

 

[launderess]

One great thing I LOVE about my mechanical timer driven W770 is the ability to adjust cycles as needed. If one does not wish to wait ages for even "Cottons Short" to finish, simply stop the machine after several minutes of wash time, and reset to start rinsing. For small loads and or lightly soiled, can skip a rinse (there are five in Cottons and PP). Can also take a bit of this and bit of that to make a custom cycle.

Find the "delicate" cycle cleans quite well, especially if one is using a good detergent. Use it for badly soiled/stained table linens with lace and or embroidery, everything comes out clean and stain free.

My Miele manual states for certian cycles such as the "Extended Pre-Soak" that vigourous wash action is not needed as the detergent/enzymes will do the work. If that was true back when this unit was produced (last model years 1980's), the certianly today's top shelf detergents like Persil or Tide would have no probelm "soaking" laundry clean.

L.

 

[foraloysius]

Anyone else noticed the difference between the AEG and Miele tumbling?

Agiflow, as soon as you have studied European frontloaders as much as I studied American toploaders I'm sure you will be able to answer that question yourself.

Now give me that slap, I can take it! LOL

 

[agiflow]

"Agiflow, as soon as you have studied European frontloaders as much as I studied American toploaders I'm sure you will be able to answer that question yourself."

"Now give me that slap, I can take it! LOL"

Touche Louis..that was a good one..LOL!