Indeed! So, you buy a heat pump dryer to save you money and then the very thing that saves money breaks down?
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Possibly, yes. But on the other hand some airconditioners have run for a long time, so that might happen to heat pump dryers too. So far I like my heat pump dryer, I'll see how it turns out in the end.
The shirt's cycle on the Grundig, is that a cycle too that partially dries the shirts so they can be hung up?
The shirt's cycle on the Grundig, is that a cycle too that partially dries the shirts so they can be hung up?
Break down
With current rates of electricity and the prices dryers have come to, HP dryers have become the more efficent choice for most.
Let's do a quick calculation:
The cheapest 8kg condenser dryer uses 4,6kWh for a full load, and 2,6kWh for a half load. That comes down to an EU rating of 559kWh per year.
Our heatpump dryer uses 1,4kWh for a full load, 0,83kWh half loaded and on the EU label, 177kWh.
Coincidently, you only loose about 10 minutes going for the more efficent one.
Thus, you save about 380kWh per year. At 25 cents per kWh, that is about 95€.
The price difference is about 250€ (250€ vs 500€).
Thus, you'd save money while the efficent dryer still is under warranty.
Take in mind cheap A+ dryers can be had below 300€ and A++ dryers go as low as 350€, so for most smaller or light use scenarios, those are far more economic. And consider that partial loading heatpump dryers is more efficent than loading a condenser dryer just half, basicly anybody unless you are a single household should probably go HP.
With current rates of electricity and the prices dryers have come to, HP dryers have become the more efficent choice for most.
Let's do a quick calculation:
The cheapest 8kg condenser dryer uses 4,6kWh for a full load, and 2,6kWh for a half load. That comes down to an EU rating of 559kWh per year.
Our heatpump dryer uses 1,4kWh for a full load, 0,83kWh half loaded and on the EU label, 177kWh.
Coincidently, you only loose about 10 minutes going for the more efficent one.
Thus, you save about 380kWh per year. At 25 cents per kWh, that is about 95€.
The price difference is about 250€ (250€ vs 500€).
Thus, you'd save money while the efficent dryer still is under warranty.
Take in mind cheap A+ dryers can be had below 300€ and A++ dryers go as low as 350€, so for most smaller or light use scenarios, those are far more economic. And consider that partial loading heatpump dryers is more efficent than loading a condenser dryer just half, basicly anybody unless you are a single household should probably go HP.
I have a Miele heat pump dryer and I have to say the energy savings are really very noticeable when compared to a vented dryer. It has a built in energy consumption meter, so I will give you the full cost of a load of towels next time I run one.
AEG heat pump dryer
Has become super fast in this warmer weather now it saves time as well as energy. Oh and before the " its cheaper still to use the clothesline " lot start I don't have a garden just a small yard so I still use the dryer for a lot of things.
Austin
Has become super fast in this warmer weather now it saves time as well as energy. Oh and before the " its cheaper still to use the clothesline " lot start I don't have a garden just a small yard so I still use the dryer for a lot of things.
Austin
Large load of towels to "Extra dry" 0.8kWh*
(Spun out at 1600rpm)
*Sourced from 100% green energy.
CO2 output 0g
1 kWh is 14.04 Euro cents.
Cost of load 11 cents (€)
Or: (At Google's rates)
US$ 0.12 £0.09 Can$ 0.16 Aus$ 0.17
(Spun out at 1600rpm)
*Sourced from 100% green energy.
CO2 output 0g
1 kWh is 14.04 Euro cents.
Cost of load 11 cents (€)
Or: (At Google's rates)
US$ 0.12 £0.09 Can$ 0.16 Aus$ 0.17
rolls_rapide
Well-known member
@ Ozzie908:
Regarding "super fast in this warmer weather..."
Does that also mean that heatpump dryers are possibly more problematic in a cold room, in the middle of winter (eg. room temp of 9°C)?
Regarding "super fast in this warmer weather..."
Does that also mean that heatpump dryers are possibly more problematic in a cold room, in the middle of winter (eg. room temp of 9°C)?
Cold rooms
Will slow them down. Heating power is minimal, so a hot start makes far more of a difference.
Most state operating temps between 5 and 35C.
Will slow them down. Heating power is minimal, so a hot start makes far more of a difference.
Most state operating temps between 5 and 35C.
rolls_rapide
Well-known member
Thanks for that Henene4.
My kitchen is always cold in winter, even more so if the 'Beast from the East' (Siberian freezing gales) is in action. The kitchen radiator doesn't have much effect.
So my quandary is: do I eventually buy a heatpump dryer which might work marvellously during the summer when I least need it, but perhaps not be effective during the winter months when I do need it? And costly to buy, but cheap to run.
Or do I just get another conventional condenser (or vented for that matter) which would be a heat generator during summer when I don't really use it often, yet work splendidly during winter? Cheap to buy, but costly to run.
I hate to say it, but conventional machines appear to be more suited to my particular environment. However, the rising cost of electricity is pulling me the other way too.
Decisions, decisions.
My kitchen is always cold in winter, even more so if the 'Beast from the East' (Siberian freezing gales) is in action. The kitchen radiator doesn't have much effect.
So my quandary is: do I eventually buy a heatpump dryer which might work marvellously during the summer when I least need it, but perhaps not be effective during the winter months when I do need it? And costly to buy, but cheap to run.
Or do I just get another conventional condenser (or vented for that matter) which would be a heat generator during summer when I don't really use it often, yet work splendidly during winter? Cheap to buy, but costly to run.
I hate to say it, but conventional machines appear to be more suited to my particular environment. However, the rising cost of electricity is pulling me the other way too.
Decisions, decisions.
Our dryer back home is in a unheated, but frost free basement. In deepest winter, on huge loads, from cold, it might take a maximum of 30 minutes longer, somewhere around 2 1/2h max for a full 7kg load spun at 1400rpm.
As long as it is above 5C, it's fine. One great impact in winter is the laundry temperature being far cooler.
Price is a concern but easy to calculate if it is worth it.
From a laundry care perspective it is vastly superior. Uncomparable IMO.
If you are super concerned about speed in winter, there is a new speed dry model serries by Arcelik (Beko) which A+++ but has a speed dry option that uses a built in conventional heater while sacrificeing efficency.
As long as it is above 5C, it's fine. One great impact in winter is the laundry temperature being far cooler.
Price is a concern but easy to calculate if it is worth it.
From a laundry care perspective it is vastly superior. Uncomparable IMO.
If you are super concerned about speed in winter, there is a new speed dry model serries by Arcelik (Beko) which A+++ but has a speed dry option that uses a built in conventional heater while sacrificeing efficency.
My next
One will be a heatpump.
I currently have a Blomberg condenser, it makes the house SO unbearably hot (that is possibly more down to the fact the house is brand new (well 2015), and the builders went stupidly overboard on insulation), my Gas bill in the first year was £29 for the year: I can’t say what the electric was, it’s shameful.
Although the Blomberg has needed a service call in the past and the Blomberg call centre was adamant that the appliance was a washer going of the model number on the appliance, even the Engineer who turned up thought he was coming to fix a washer, looked a bit confused when I directed him to the linen cupboard
One will be a heatpump.
I currently have a Blomberg condenser, it makes the house SO unbearably hot (that is possibly more down to the fact the house is brand new (well 2015), and the builders went stupidly overboard on insulation), my Gas bill in the first year was £29 for the year: I can’t say what the electric was, it’s shameful.
Although the Blomberg has needed a service call in the past and the Blomberg call centre was adamant that the appliance was a washer going of the model number on the appliance, even the Engineer who turned up thought he was coming to fix a washer, looked a bit confused when I directed him to the linen cupboard
rolls_rapide
Well-known member
Again, thanks.
I did see 'in the flesh' recently, a Blomberg 'hybrid heatpump' machine, at about £500. I presume it was that variant?
"Blomberg call centre was adamant that the appliance was a washer..."
What was the outcome of that? Seems odd they can't tell apart their apples from their onions. Somebody must have goofed up the Blomberg database.
Gas bill of £29?! I wish!
I did see 'in the flesh' recently, a Blomberg 'hybrid heatpump' machine, at about £500. I presume it was that variant?
"Blomberg call centre was adamant that the appliance was a washer..."
What was the outcome of that? Seems odd they can't tell apart their apples from their onions. Somebody must have goofed up the Blomberg database.
Gas bill of £29?! I wish!
Variant
Yes, Acrelik makes a lot of stuff today...
Yes, Acrelik makes a lot of stuff today...
Rolls
Sorry for delay in reply, been on long shifts this week.
I think it’s either that one you saw, or possibly the one below (It was £379, with £30 cash back, which the applicance dealer took off the price there and then (so don’t know why it was offered as a “cash back” really))
I’ve put the one I *think* it is in the link, but could be slightly out on the model number (will check for you later), it does state “with heat pump technology” but I can’t see how mine is a HP machine in any way, it looks the same as any condenser I’ve had and it runs so blooming warm!!!
Re Blomberg insisting it was a washer, the only outcome of that was a delay on the repair, as the engineer thought he was coming to fix washer, he didn’t have any idea of any parts that were going to be needed to fix dryer fault, so didn’t have any in advanced, so on first visit said he needed to order a capacitor I think, and then went away,
Which has actually just made me remember the other issue, after a 2 week window had passed and no revisit, I called the call centre to be told the engineer had cancelled the job!! Anyway a few days later when he came back, he was very sheepish (I think he thought we were going to have a go at him, don’t know why as we wouldn’t have) and explained he hadn’t cancelled the job, but that the office hadn’t sent the part to him/or reassigned the job back to him.
So yes a few issues with Blomberg service and a repair that took 3 or so weeks, whilst not the worst service I’ve had surprisingly, it’s still not ideal, and whilst I know they operate as their own business, they still come under the Beko umbrella
Sorry for delay in reply, been on long shifts this week.
I think it’s either that one you saw, or possibly the one below (It was £379, with £30 cash back, which the applicance dealer took off the price there and then (so don’t know why it was offered as a “cash back” really))
I’ve put the one I *think* it is in the link, but could be slightly out on the model number (will check for you later), it does state “with heat pump technology” but I can’t see how mine is a HP machine in any way, it looks the same as any condenser I’ve had and it runs so blooming warm!!!
Re Blomberg insisting it was a washer, the only outcome of that was a delay on the repair, as the engineer thought he was coming to fix washer, he didn’t have any idea of any parts that were going to be needed to fix dryer fault, so didn’t have any in advanced, so on first visit said he needed to order a capacitor I think, and then went away,
Which has actually just made me remember the other issue, after a 2 week window had passed and no revisit, I called the call centre to be told the engineer had cancelled the job!! Anyway a few days later when he came back, he was very sheepish (I think he thought we were going to have a go at him, don’t know why as we wouldn’t have) and explained he hadn’t cancelled the job, but that the office hadn’t sent the part to him/or reassigned the job back to him.
So yes a few issues with Blomberg service and a repair that took 3 or so weeks, whilst not the worst service I’ve had surprisingly, it’s still not ideal, and whilst I know they operate as their own business, they still come under the Beko umbrella
@Rolls Rapide
In winter the shower room where the washer and dryer reside is slightly cooler than the rest of the house but not by much and it never goes down anywhere near 5c as I have read they don't work too well in really cold places.
It must be affected by warmer rinse water too as it must knock a good 20 mins off the drying time I only notice its shorter when I realise the dryer is doing its anti crease bit much sooner than I am used to.
I also have a vented dryer in the shed for doing dog bedding as the hairs in the inside machines drives me nuts so have a separate one its an old Zanussi from 2001 - 2002 still going strong.
Prefer the gentleness of the HP on clothing though as why wash warm and cook to dry
In winter the shower room where the washer and dryer reside is slightly cooler than the rest of the house but not by much and it never goes down anywhere near 5c as I have read they don't work too well in really cold places.
It must be affected by warmer rinse water too as it must knock a good 20 mins off the drying time I only notice its shorter when I realise the dryer is doing its anti crease bit much sooner than I am used to.
I also have a vented dryer in the shed for doing dog bedding as the hairs in the inside machines drives me nuts so have a separate one its an old Zanussi from 2001 - 2002 still going strong.
Prefer the gentleness of the HP on clothing though as why wash warm and cook to dry
