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gizmo

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Here are some pics of my new car. It is only the second time ever I have bought a brand new car, so I'm pretty excited.
It is a Peugeot 307 XS Hdi Touring.
That means it is a small diesel wagon, 1.6 litres, manual trans.

Chris

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Very nice . . .

and I hope you enjoy it thoroughly! Nice that you were able to find a manual trans too . . . in my experience dealers only want to stock automatics and manuals can be hard to come by.

I really wish Peugeots were still sold here in the US. I'll always hold against them what they did with Citroen, but on the other hand the Peugoets my parents had (two 505s) were good, comfortable and reliable cars. When I bought my VW TDI five years ago VWs were the only diesel cars available here in the US (everything else diesel was a truck) and I just liked the efficiency of the engine relative to gas engines. Had a Peugeot been available, I certainly wouldn't have bought the VW.
 
I like the peugeot's and the citroëns ... my parents have a french car (was peugeot is now citroën) and a german car (OPEL is GM). And I like to drive them both but still the french cars have better suspension systems (ever heard the story of the citroën V2) and they drive more softer... but yeah a car is a car but still prefer les français
 
Beautiful car, and practical too.

Too bad Peugeots and Citroens are not available new in the USA anymore (or at least the last time I checked). Heck, you can't even buy a diesel car in California any more. Not until the emissions are cleaned up some more.

When I rented a car in Ireland, about 10 years ago, it came with a manual transmission - automatic not available. I ground the gears a bit, but managed. It was very strange shifting with left hand, but I suppose one can get used to anything ;-).
 
I had a Peugeot 405, one of the last ones sold in North America. It had the most comfortable seats of any car ever...had to give up on it after about 140,000 miles but I wished there was some way to put the seats in my new car!

Congrats on your purchase!
 
What a very nice car, Gizmo! Enjoy in good health. I think our Mike in the UK may have a Peugeot if I remember correctly; I'm pretty sure it was a brand you can't get here. I think I only ever saw one Peugeot here.

LOL Suds I always think about that left hand shifting too, I suppose you get used to it like anything. Sometimes I try picturing in my mind driving with that opposite configuration...interesting! I love the gauges in metric.

Hydralique, interestingly enough at least when I was in England, manual transmissions FAR outnumber automatic, it's completely different from here. It became a game after a while that I'd look in parked cars to see, I just thought it was interesting.
 
French Cars In U.S.

I doubt you'll see Renault, Peugeot, or Citroen here again any time soon. The French keep coming into this market, then disappearing when they feel like it, leaving owners with reduced resale and tricky parts availability. I cannot remember the last time I saw a Peugeot or an Alliance on the road, and both were reasonably popular cars when new. Renault behaved especially badly. They were supposed to be the saving of American Motors. Instead, they broke up the company, selling Jeep to Chrysler and forcing Chrysler to take Eagle if they wanted Jeep. Alliance owners and Eagle Premier owners soon found their cars unmaintainable due to parts non-availability from Chrysler. Peugeot just plain disappeared. Citroen hasn't been in America in so long that very few people here know what one is.

I seriously doubt that the French could re-enter the American market with any success; too many people got burned on the Renault debacle. At that, it wasn't the first go-round for Renault; they'd been over here with a car called the Dauphine in the late '50s and early '60s, and pulled out of America then, too, leaving owners high and dry on that occasion as well.

I wish I knew the French for "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Don't get me wrong; I'm not a Francophobe. I love the country, and the people. I just wouldn't buy a car from them. My '89 Eagle Premier was enough.
 
As I understand it, the Eagle premier was a very good car, and it was somewhat trend setting for being a four wheel drive sedan. Chrysler continued the Eagle name and logo for a while, slapping it on the Eagle version of the Dodge LH/Intrepid. I liked the styling and the logo of the Eagle. But they dropped the marque for the 2nd generation LH line.

I have a friend who's into French and Italian cars. At one time he had a Citroen DS6. A fun car, but a bit underpowered and of course high maintenance. He also had an SM, another fun but high maintenance vehicle. I always enjoyed watching the car rise up on its hydraulic shocks when the motor started. Another friend had a 60's Deux Cheveau. Way underpowered, but oozes charm. And the ride is quite supple (designed to be able to carry a basket of eggs across a plowed field without breaking any, or so they say).
 
Eagle Premier:

Lovely car when it was working right, but parts and service were problematic, because Chrysler got dragged into the deal kicking and screaming. The deal was that Chrysler had to make the Premier for at least five years, if they wanted Jeep. Being Chrysler, they did the absolute bare minimum to keep their share of the bargain.

Parts availability was so bad that emissions parts were often unobtainable- on cars still within Federal emissions warranty.

BTW, the car wasn't AWD, just FWD. Very solid, smooth-riding, eerily quiet car, highly reminiscent of Lexus. If it had been supported better, it might have done very well. There was also a Dodge-badged sibling called the Monaco, basically identical except for the grille. It was no better supported than the Premier, as my sister could tell you. She made Chrysler buy hers back under lemon laws, which is NOT easy to do.
 
I have the feeling that the French cars aren't seen as competitive with the German high-end cars. A lot of people in this country hate the French with a passion, and the car companies over there probably figure the Chinese would lowball them out of the economy/subcompact market anyway (and I would tend to agree with that).

Would anybody here buy a Chinese-made Peugeot?

I would, especially if the price is right.
 
Danemod is right: the Premier and Monaco are front wheel drive cars, not four wheel drive. All of them had the German made ZF four speed automatic transaxle - nice smooth shifting but not durable at all, and very expensive to fix when broken. It should be remembered that although the Premier had French design content - the suspension was based on the large Renaults and the engine was the French made PRV V-6, the car wasn't a French car at all. It was made exclusively in Canada, and every single one was made under the corporate umbrella of Chrysler. From my family's experience, the French parts (like the engine) were very good, but the North American built parts were terrible, and often had to be replaced repeatedly (wiper switches, fuel guage sending units, alternators etc.). Parts supply, even under warranty, was just appalling, and I can guanrantee nobody in my family will ever, ever buy any Chrysler product because it is a complete crapshoot as to whether or not they will support your car once it rolls off the dealer's lot.

Sudsmaster - your friend's DS would have been either a DS19 or DS21 if sold new in the US. There were also DS20 and DS23 variants not sold here. By the standards of the day, those cars weren't particularly high maintenance, and boy were they tough and long-lived. The SM is mostly the same except for the engine. The Maserati V6 which is unique to the SM and Maserati Merak is very, very picky about maintenance indeed. A DS can have lots of stuff slightly out of whack and still run pretty well, but if everything on the SM engine isn't spot on (like all three carburettors synchronized both left to right and to each other, both sets of points synchronized as well, all four camshafts dailed into the proper timing) you will know it instantly by the spastic idle.
 
hydraulique:

"Danemod is right: the Premier and Monaco are front wheel drive cars, not four wheel drive."

There was a lot of confusion about that, confusion that lasts to this day. The reason is that AMC used the Eagle designation on an AWD variant of the Hornet/Concord wagon and sedan, then dropped that car and made Eagle a whole model lineup in I think, '87 or '88, when the Premier debuted. There was also Eagle Medallion (can't remember who made it, but I think Mitsu), and Eagle Talon, which was definitely Mitsu. The Talon was actually very popular there for a while, at least until the car's owners got a taste of Chrysler's idea of warranty service. Word does get around...
 
You're right

The four wheel drive Eagle was the "AMC Eagle", and later, under Chrysler ownership, the "Eagle Talon", and there was nothing French about either one. The AMC Eagle was all North-American, and the 4WD Talon was Mitsubishi.

As the first mass-produced American passenger car with 4-wheel-drive of any type (much less with a system as advanced as the Eagle's was), automotive industry analysts were taken by surprise at the fact that AMC, a company most had deemed past its ability to produce competitive vehicles, turned the best of what they had into a revolutionary, novel, and all-around competent vehicle. In doing so, the small American manufacturer was seen as having cleverly pioneered a new market segment - one that would grow wildly over the next 25 years and beyond, as evinced by Four Wheeler magazine's conclusion in 1980 that the new AMC Eagle was, indeed, "The beginning of a new generation of cars."[2] Indeed, the Eagle's basic concept - that of a station wagon with AWD, raised ground clearance, and rough-road capability - has inspired vehicles like the Subaru Outback line, the Audi Allroad, the Volvo XC range, and many others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Eagle
 
Eagle Medallion . . .

This was not a Mitsubishi like the Talon and Summit, but the only real French built Renault sold under the Eagle name. It was basically a Renault 21 with some minor trim differences, and the 2.2 liter four cylinder engine. They were only sold in '88 and '89. I knew one guy who had one and he liked it quite well. I suspect Chrysler could build one of their own cars in this mid-size range cheaper than importing the Medallion and so axed it.
 
French brands disappearing and reappearing in AU

French brands have come and gone in AU too, except for Peugeot who have never left. Currently Peugeot are the most popular French car by a large margin, Citroen have surged ahead due to strong support for the model by the importers, and Renault are in a desperately poor position. They are still sold here after reappearing on the AU market in 2001, but sales slumped due to very poor support of the market by Renault. The cars are good, fantastic to drive, but there is a very small model range, dwindling each year, as Renault in France seem reluctant to build small quantities of cars to suit Australia's unique design rules, and we only tend to get new Renault models when they have been on sale overseas for a few years.
Renault were popular here in the seventies when they were assembled in Melbourne, mainly from French parts with some local content. Interestingly, they also assembled their arch-rival, Peugeot. So in AU only, there were joint Renault-Peugeot dealers. In the seventies Government policy changed, the idea was to force companies who assembled cars from imported components to change to full manufacture. (Renault, VW). This was done by legislating a 75% minimum local content, otherwise a hefty extra tax was added. Of course it had the opposite effect - small volume assemblers who couldn't justify the cost of setting up a full manufacturing plant, closed their assembly operations and became importers, costing hundreds of Aussie jobs. Their cars were then heavily taxed which meant they had to try to move upmarket to justify their higher price. Aussie buyers didn't go for it, and by 1982 Renault and VW had quit the Aussie market. Renault were handled by an importer in 1985 for a couple of years, but only one model, the Fuego, then disappeared again. Renault came back in the late 80s with the 19, imported by Volvo dealers. Renault and Volvo split after a few years and Renault disappeared again. They reappeared in 2001 with much fanfare but have dwindled each year since, though they seem to be trying harder this year and are improving again.
Citroen were only assembled here in the early 60s, by the 70s they were a very low volume import operation, only a few hundred cars a year. I'm not sure of the years but they came and went a few times through the 80s and 90s, but their volumes were so low nobody really noticed. They reapppeared in about 2002 or 2003, impported by a reasonably large Aussie company who also import Fiat, Alfa-Romeo and Kia. They have gone from strength to strength, though they are still a small player - Citroen will always be held back by their reputation for complicated funny French cars. I loved them when they made those cars, but they never made any money and Peugeot saved the brand from extinction, though Citroens are now basically Peugeots with a bit more flair. At least the larger Citroens, C5 and C6, still have the famous Citroen hydropneumatic suspension.
Peugeot have been sold here continuously for over 50 years, and have reaped the rewards from their loyalty to the AU market. They are still low volume compared to Ford or Gm but are one of the biggest European brands here - they used to be the highest but now overtaken by VW who are booming.

Chris
 
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