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whats going on??
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yehaw! steam!
yehaw! steam!
What gives?
I'm watching this thread closely. I wish I was in a position to install a 1-pipe steam system in the house where I live.
Screw forced air,
Dave
I'm watching this thread closely. I wish I was in a position to install a 1-pipe steam system in the house where I live.
Screw forced air,
Dave
Well well well. There are now two heating zones from one steam-generating central-heating gas-fired Burnham brand boiler.
The dead-men are proud of your installer!
Lovely Hartford Loop (no girls it is NOT an effective I.U.D.)
The dead-men are proud of your installer!
Lovely Hartford Loop (no girls it is NOT an effective I.U.D.)
Two steam risers (supply pipes) coming out of the boiler to feed the main header tells us it is a relatively large capacity boiler!
Mazel-tov!
What are those 1/2 inch (3/4"?) copper tubes/pipes? Do you have a zone of hydronic(hot-water) heat as well?
In my prior house I had a zone of hydronic heat in the basement. The hot water was sucked out of the bottom of the boiler by a circulator (pump), then circulated through the baseboard-style radiators (convectors technically/actually) and returned to the boiler from near the top.
Mazel-tov!
What are those 1/2 inch (3/4"?) copper tubes/pipes? Do you have a zone of hydronic(hot-water) heat as well?
In my prior house I had a zone of hydronic heat in the basement. The hot water was sucked out of the bottom of the boiler by a circulator (pump), then circulated through the baseboard-style radiators (convectors technically/actually) and returned to the boiler from near the top.
The "T"s just after the zone valves allow the condensate to get back to the boiler even when the zone-valves are closed.
Of course this prevents huge and loud banging noises (if there were a build-up of water hitting a head of steam) when those valves re-open upon a call for heat.
When are the electric motorized "heads" going to be installed for those valves?
Of course this prevents huge and loud banging noises (if there were a build-up of water hitting a head of steam) when those valves re-open upon a call for heat.
When are the electric motorized "heads" going to be installed for those valves?
Why isn't this in Imperial?
excellent Steve!
You saw the hydronic circuit too! That heats runtal's which were installed later and above a concrete floor, I was not a fan of running steam inside a concrete floor over rock ledge. The piping on the hydronic side is all new, as we had an old tankless heating tank, heating the water ,now we draw direct from the boiler. The 3/4 copper you see is to temper that water from the boiler so its not 212 but more towards 180 when the boiler is steaming.
The motors for the zone valves have not been installed yet. We wanted to test the system as it was originally to see if there was a banging problem and it is absolutely SILENT Steam!
Now as doctrine states on page 194 of St Holohan- when you zone off the boiler from the supply you will need to install a vacuum break on the boiler because you are now isolating the boiler from atmosphere. That has yet to be completed.
But Steve - and here's the next clue- we are also going to install vacuum breaks out at the ends of both mains---why? You have 30 minutes.
Oh and here is a picture of the zone valves and controls just for fun.
Greg you will be slapped yet again!
You saw the hydronic circuit too! That heats runtal's which were installed later and above a concrete floor, I was not a fan of running steam inside a concrete floor over rock ledge. The piping on the hydronic side is all new, as we had an old tankless heating tank, heating the water ,now we draw direct from the boiler. The 3/4 copper you see is to temper that water from the boiler so its not 212 but more towards 180 when the boiler is steaming.
The motors for the zone valves have not been installed yet. We wanted to test the system as it was originally to see if there was a banging problem and it is absolutely SILENT Steam!
Now as doctrine states on page 194 of St Holohan- when you zone off the boiler from the supply you will need to install a vacuum break on the boiler because you are now isolating the boiler from atmosphere. That has yet to be completed.
But Steve - and here's the next clue- we are also going to install vacuum breaks out at the ends of both mains---why? You have 30 minutes.
Oh and here is a picture of the zone valves and controls just for fun.
Greg you will be slapped yet again!
money shots
inside baby, its a globe valve, a big honkin plunger seals down onto a round seal inside, you can't quite see that it was hard to get the flash in there. Its not a positive valve but it seals well enough. The big access nut on the bottom allows the seal to be changed if it ever goes bad, see the factory tag around the nut, you're not supposed to remover that unless your changing out the seal.
inside baby, its a globe valve, a big honkin plunger seals down onto a round seal inside, you can't quite see that it was hard to get the flash in there. Its not a positive valve but it seals well enough. The big access nut on the bottom allows the seal to be changed if it ever goes bad, see the factory tag around the nut, you're not supposed to remover that unless your changing out the seal.
here is the synchronous motor control
its honkin too!
its honkin too!
oh its a Utica Boiler
NICE HOME STATE BOILER! Upstate is Upstate, Downstate is well - below!
the rating is 150,000 BTU input 120,000 BTU output and that covers 275 sq ft EDR of steam. The old boiler was a W-McClain rated at 180,000 BTU input!!!
In the house I have 274 sq EDR installed. So is the boiler sized correctly Steve?? Whats my pick up factor? You have 30 minutes!
NICE HOME STATE BOILER! Upstate is Upstate, Downstate is well - below!
the rating is 150,000 BTU input 120,000 BTU output and that covers 275 sq ft EDR of steam. The old boiler was a W-McClain rated at 180,000 BTU input!!!
In the house I have 274 sq EDR installed. So is the boiler sized correctly Steve?? Whats my pick up factor? You have 30 minutes!
to answer all your questions Steve
the 1/2 inch copper is the supply to the boiler from the gas hot water tank, its fed to the hartford loop to avoid low temp water hitting a hot crown sheet inside the boiler.
the 1/2 inch copper is the supply to the boiler from the gas hot water tank, its fed to the hartford loop to avoid low temp water hitting a hot crown sheet inside the boiler.
Dave you're absolutely right
scortched air systems are for the birds. Have you ever looked into hydronic heating with Burnham cast iron baseboard?? Its almost the same thing.
scortched air systems are for the birds. Have you ever looked into hydronic heating with Burnham cast iron baseboard?? Its almost the same thing.
Greg
I think it belongs in Deluxe, after all it's new!
I think it belongs in Deluxe, after all it's new!
Yes Louis it is new!
oh Mister webmaster yooohooo..
oh Mister webmaster yooohooo..
But hang on...
Didn't you already have another thread going about that thing...?
Webmaster indeed!!
CROSSPOSTING!!!!!
Didn't you already have another thread going about that thing...?
Webmaster indeed!!
CROSSPOSTING!!!!!
Baseboard?
Are you nuts? Why would I profane my home with baseboards when I could have beautiful radiators?
And yes, I am a fan of the Patron Saint of Steam Heating himself, Mr. Holohan,
Dave
Glad your system is silent and warm.
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Are you nuts? Why would I profane my home with baseboards when I could have beautiful radiators?
And yes, I am a fan of the Patron Saint of Steam Heating himself, Mr. Holohan,
Dave
Glad your system is silent and warm.
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Well----
Pardon me for living but I just fell out of a hearse!
I was referring to CAST IRON baseboard since you were wingeing on about the expense of installing steam with radiators. just a suggestion not a designated life path or anything.
BTW thanks for the link, I have been wanting a copy of "The Greening Of Steam"
Radiators like this>>>>
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Pardon me for living but I just fell out of a hearse!
I was referring to CAST IRON baseboard since you were wingeing on about the expense of installing steam with radiators. just a suggestion not a designated life path or anything.
BTW thanks for the link, I have been wanting a copy of "The Greening Of Steam"
Radiators like this>>>>
[this post was last edited: 11/3/2011-08:07]
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