hoover525
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Hi guys, just wondering if anyone has images of Hoover 500-600 advertising, user manuals or technical info they might like to share? I'd really appreciate it 
Old Australian Hoover literature
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blackstone
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Hoover525:
Here are some sample pages from literature that I have for Blackstone model BA-520/620/720, models similar to what you have posted in your pictures. I could dig out more stuff if you want. Feel free to email me.
Here are some sample pages from literature that I have for Blackstone model BA-520/620/720, models similar to what you have posted in your pictures. I could dig out more stuff if you want. Feel free to email me.
chlorinedreams
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Tho not 600 series... Have a little on the 900 series.... Will see if I can get anything on the 600 series
chlorinedreams
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940-955 exploded diag
Got the full set for the 940-955 series.... It's interesting to see the compare to the blackstone machines...
Got the full set for the 940-955 series.... It's interesting to see the compare to the blackstone machines...
hoover525
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Thanks Blackstone and ChlorineD!
Thanks guys, much appreciated the pages of the manuals you posted up. It's really got me fascinated. The gear box is something I would love to know more about in more detail.
Old advertising is interesting for pics when they were new too. I saw one for a 560 that Mayfan69 posted up - pretty cool
Thanks guys, much appreciated the pages of the manuals you posted up. It's really got me fascinated. The gear box is something I would love to know more about in more detail.
Old advertising is interesting for pics when they were new too. I saw one for a 560 that Mayfan69 posted up - pretty cool
chlorinedreams
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Gearbox
These boxes were direction based. In wash mode (counterclockwise from top) it drives the agitator.
In spin mode the motor runs in opposite direction, which raises the whole gearbox from the brake pads (can see the lift in your video at 3:10) this is done by the clutch drive assembly 023617 - it has a screw thread bearing which presses clutch lining 026610 into driven plate 023601 which picks up the whole box.... When the motor stops, the momentum of the wash bowl screws the box back down into the brake pads 023687 bringing it to a quick stop....
It's been some time... Trying to remember how it locked agitator in spin... Last time I pulled a box apart was in the late 90s to replace the clutch pad.
Which impresses me with the 600 series.... Sitting there locked up while draining... The clutch at 100% slip the whole time
These boxes were direction based. In wash mode (counterclockwise from top) it drives the agitator.
In spin mode the motor runs in opposite direction, which raises the whole gearbox from the brake pads (can see the lift in your video at 3:10) this is done by the clutch drive assembly 023617 - it has a screw thread bearing which presses clutch lining 026610 into driven plate 023601 which picks up the whole box.... When the motor stops, the momentum of the wash bowl screws the box back down into the brake pads 023687 bringing it to a quick stop....
It's been some time... Trying to remember how it locked agitator in spin... Last time I pulled a box apart was in the late 90s to replace the clutch pad.
Which impresses me with the 600 series.... Sitting there locked up while draining... The clutch at 100% slip the whole time
hoover525
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Clutch slip
Yes it impresses me too. I read somewhere that the 700s on had a different clutch set up based on the fact that they had an electric pump, hence less give from the clutch.
I guess this means gear boxes post 700 series are not compatible with their predecessors clutch wise.
On another note, what were the intro years for the different models? I have heard the 500 started in '69, but what about the 600, 700, 800 , 900?
Yes it impresses me too. I read somewhere that the 700s on had a different clutch set up based on the fact that they had an electric pump, hence less give from the clutch.
I guess this means gear boxes post 700 series are not compatible with their predecessors clutch wise.
On another note, what were the intro years for the different models? I have heard the 500 started in '69, but what about the 600, 700, 800 , 900?
chlorinedreams
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If I get the chance I'll strip them down n post pics - kinda thing to do if replacing shaft seals and oil.... Would be interesting to see the clutch arrays side by side.... A good clutch brings the machine upto a full speed spin quicker.....
Never had to replace one yet on a 620.... Have done one on a 920
The wash cycle on these are easy to see how it runs... Con rod and segment gear driving the agitator. Shaft back and forth... Been buying up on gearbox spares (in the not so likely event I'll need to replace parts) but once. Unobtanium it's nice to have them, as i know as long as I live I won't have a newer machine.
Things to keep on hand are seals, pumps and pump hoses... A spare motor is handy to have (though these rarely fail) micro switches for the motor and timers, timers can often be the cause of motor taking out the reset button (seen them try and run the motor in high and low speed simultaneously) not good.
Will post up motor connection info (useful for testing motor and gearbox)
Never had to replace one yet on a 620.... Have done one on a 920
The wash cycle on these are easy to see how it runs... Con rod and segment gear driving the agitator. Shaft back and forth... Been buying up on gearbox spares (in the not so likely event I'll need to replace parts) but once. Unobtanium it's nice to have them, as i know as long as I live I won't have a newer machine.
Things to keep on hand are seals, pumps and pump hoses... A spare motor is handy to have (though these rarely fail) micro switches for the motor and timers, timers can often be the cause of motor taking out the reset button (seen them try and run the motor in high and low speed simultaneously) not good.
Will post up motor connection info (useful for testing motor and gearbox)
chlorinedreams
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SPD-1 Motor connections
Terminals 1 & 4 Start Winding
Terminal 7 - Low Speed connection (6 pole winding)
Terminal 3 - High Speed connection (4 pole winding)
Terminal 2 - Neutral
Operation... The SPD-1 is s 2 speed Split Phase motor. Starting is achieved by the the start winding and main 4 pole winding... Once run speed is sufficient, the centrifugal switch lowers switching the start and run microswitches - switching off start winding and switches from 4 to 6 pole windings (if connected to terminal 7)
To test low speed (gentle) spin connect ACTIVE to terminals 7 and 1. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 4.
High speed (normal) spin ACTIVE to terminals 3 and 1... NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 4
Gentle Wash - ACTIVE to terminals 7 and 4. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 1
Normal wash ACTIVE to terminals 3 and 4. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 1
Terminals 1 & 4 Start Winding
Terminal 7 - Low Speed connection (6 pole winding)
Terminal 3 - High Speed connection (4 pole winding)
Terminal 2 - Neutral
Operation... The SPD-1 is s 2 speed Split Phase motor. Starting is achieved by the the start winding and main 4 pole winding... Once run speed is sufficient, the centrifugal switch lowers switching the start and run microswitches - switching off start winding and switches from 4 to 6 pole windings (if connected to terminal 7)
To test low speed (gentle) spin connect ACTIVE to terminals 7 and 1. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 4.
High speed (normal) spin ACTIVE to terminals 3 and 1... NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 4
Gentle Wash - ACTIVE to terminals 7 and 4. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 1
Normal wash ACTIVE to terminals 3 and 4. NEUTRAL to terminals 2 and 1
hoover525
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Thanks for the technical info!
I have started buying seals and belts off eBay from a guy called All Fix Electrical. I just received part H013, the shaft seal just under the agitator cap. I also got a static pump pawl (part HA057) and a new belt for the mechanical pump.
Seeing you know a bit about parts, do you mind if I ask if you know what the part numbers are for the main seal on the metal drum under the wash bowl is. I can't really be sure from the research I've done.
What I'd really love is access to the technical manual for the 600 series. I bet they were all scrapped years ago
Where did you get the info on the 900 series you posted up earlier? I'm on the hunt for any info like this and any help would be greatly appreciated !!
I have started buying seals and belts off eBay from a guy called All Fix Electrical. I just received part H013, the shaft seal just under the agitator cap. I also got a static pump pawl (part HA057) and a new belt for the mechanical pump.
Seeing you know a bit about parts, do you mind if I ask if you know what the part numbers are for the main seal on the metal drum under the wash bowl is. I can't really be sure from the research I've done.
What I'd really love is access to the technical manual for the 600 series. I bet they were all scrapped years ago
Where did you get the info on the 900 series you posted up earlier? I'm on the hunt for any info like this and any help would be greatly appreciated !!
chlorinedreams
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Wish I could get the 600 series info.... Remember reading the 620 service manual in 1990. That place closed in the late 90s.... As far as I know those manuals are unobtanium...also can't seem to find any exploded diagram on the 620 (A6004) either....
If I had to replace a 620 seal I'd look for markings on it, if that yields nothing I would get out the vernier set and measure the diameters. A lot of industrial gearbox/pump seals are ordered by the diameters and thickness...
If I do come across anything, I will post it here.
Regards Baily
If I had to replace a 620 seal I'd look for markings on it, if that yields nothing I would get out the vernier set and measure the diameters. A lot of industrial gearbox/pump seals are ordered by the diameters and thickness...
If I do come across anything, I will post it here.
Regards Baily
chlorinedreams
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Hoover ads 600, 700, 800 900 series
Has anyone got anything on the 600 to the elite 900 series?
Remember in the mid 80s seeing cool laminated ad sheets depicting the internal build qualities of the 900 series...
Also does anyone have much about the Meadowbank factory?
Has anyone got anything on the 600 to the elite 900 series?
Remember in the mid 80s seeing cool laminated ad sheets depicting the internal build qualities of the 900 series...
Also does anyone have much about the Meadowbank factory?
hoover525
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Meadowbank factory
How cool would it have been to go in there before demolition. I bet there would have been heaps of miscellaneous parts scattered around, along with historical signs, stickers etc.
I don't live that far away from the site so I can go and see what it looks like these days; apparently it's all new units. Damn. Wonder when it was derelict ... probably not that long ago.
What about technical journals? Maybe we could find some info there? I'm close to the State Library NSW so am able to go in ... actually, you can do it all online now anyway.
I think mayfan 69 has some info at least in the 500 series.
How cool would it have been to go in there before demolition. I bet there would have been heaps of miscellaneous parts scattered around, along with historical signs, stickers etc.
I don't live that far away from the site so I can go and see what it looks like these days; apparently it's all new units. Damn. Wonder when it was derelict ... probably not that long ago.
What about technical journals? Maybe we could find some info there? I'm close to the State Library NSW so am able to go in ... actually, you can do it all online now anyway.
I think mayfan 69 has some info at least in the 500 series.
chlorinedreams
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Apparently there was some book on Hoover Meadowbank factory... Think the library has it over there... Tried here in WA to the usual fruitless outcome
It's a pity that a once thriving factory that made products that were in homes all around Australia is now shadows and dust
It's a pity that a once thriving factory that made products that were in homes all around Australia is now shadows and dust
chlorinedreams
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500-700. Seals
Been looking about and it seems that the main seal assembly is H002 and H003 - effectively the cup/seal and bush bearing.... And it seems unobtanium. (Well H002) And to complicate it the usual g/box/pump seals won't hack it, as the centrifugal weight of the box, wash bowl and washing are exerted on this....
I would look into automotive water pump bearings or a bearing with a seal on top and either a really tight grommet surround or fabricate a bearing holder to centre it all securely...
The 800/900 dodges this as the bush is centred on a spider that is over the box, but under the seal of the outer tub.
Hopefully we find an answer, as it would be tragic to see this put the good older machines out of use
Been looking about and it seems that the main seal assembly is H002 and H003 - effectively the cup/seal and bush bearing.... And it seems unobtanium. (Well H002) And to complicate it the usual g/box/pump seals won't hack it, as the centrifugal weight of the box, wash bowl and washing are exerted on this....
I would look into automotive water pump bearings or a bearing with a seal on top and either a really tight grommet surround or fabricate a bearing holder to centre it all securely...
The 800/900 dodges this as the bush is centred on a spider that is over the box, but under the seal of the outer tub.
Hopefully we find an answer, as it would be tragic to see this put the good older machines out of use
hoover525
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thanks Baily
yep let's keep looking into this. Another option is to have the part used to manufacture a new replacement part.
here is the Hoover item from the State Library of NSW
yep let's keep looking into this. Another option is to have the part used to manufacture a new replacement part.
here is the Hoover item from the State Library of NSW
chlorinedreams
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That's what I saw online.... Tried to see if I could get it here but the local library said they couldn't get that here... Would love to see it though.
I'd love to have been able to see Meadowbank in its hey day.... Would have been awesome seeing the machines being built.
Yeah it's possible to get one manufactured.. Maybe NOK (that make a majority of seals) could come up with a solution... Probably will cost a pretty penny unless they have something equivalent in production
I'd love to have been able to see Meadowbank in its hey day.... Would have been awesome seeing the machines being built.
Yeah it's possible to get one manufactured.. Maybe NOK (that make a majority of seals) could come up with a solution... Probably will cost a pretty penny unless they have something equivalent in production
chlorinedreams
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Clutches
Was having a talk to Allfix electrical... It's good talking to someone who worked with these machines in depth.... As I was younger I saw the last of these machines then the new non blackstone setups....
Was talking about the clutch packs ... They are all the same, though it turns out the materials used in the earlier clutches seemed to be of a higher quality - These did not often cause issues. He like myself replaced a number in later machines.
The plague of unobtanium is looming with more and more parts succumbing to its wake....
To my fellow Aussie enthusiasts I'd recommend checking in with him for parts and or useful info.
Regards Baily
Was having a talk to Allfix electrical... It's good talking to someone who worked with these machines in depth.... As I was younger I saw the last of these machines then the new non blackstone setups....
Was talking about the clutch packs ... They are all the same, though it turns out the materials used in the earlier clutches seemed to be of a higher quality - These did not often cause issues. He like myself replaced a number in later machines.
The plague of unobtanium is looming with more and more parts succumbing to its wake....
To my fellow Aussie enthusiasts I'd recommend checking in with him for parts and or useful info.
Regards Baily
hoover525
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Thanks Baily!!
Ta for all your helpful info. I'm impressed with your gearbox knowledge and agree, that static pump out with clutch at 100% slip is amazing. Surprised it's lasted so long.
Actually I don't think the 620 I've got had seen much use. The inside of the cabinet was almost spotless when I got it and now it's sprayed with transmission oil from spinning. Do you think I should check the bolts on the tranny for tightness?
Also the pump has started to squeal and seize up. Am planning to take it apart to investigate/line it.
Still have to get into town to look at that book on the Hoover factory. Will try to get in there today.
Erik
Ta for all your helpful info. I'm impressed with your gearbox knowledge and agree, that static pump out with clutch at 100% slip is amazing. Surprised it's lasted so long.
Actually I don't think the 620 I've got had seen much use. The inside of the cabinet was almost spotless when I got it and now it's sprayed with transmission oil from spinning. Do you think I should check the bolts on the tranny for tightness?
Also the pump has started to squeal and seize up. Am planning to take it apart to investigate/line it.
Still have to get into town to look at that book on the Hoover factory. Will try to get in there today.
Erik
