Phosphates & Detergent Tablets (Ireland & UK market)

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MrX

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I was just looking at the ingredients of some laundry detergent in my cupboard and noticed a strange thing.

Tesco own brand Bio detergent (Powder) contains no phosphates
while Tesco own brand Bio tablets contain around 30% photphates!!!
Checked the other packs.
Tesco liquid contains no phosphates

Then had a look at persil liquitabs - contains a similar amount of phosphates. Normal persil powder doesn't..

Any ideas why?

I won't be buying tablet detergents again!
 
Phosphates

Hi MRX!
Are you sure it is phosPHATES and not phosPHONATES??
Phosphonates are environmental friendly while phosphates could evoke problems because of the eutrophication.
Ralf
 
Phosphates are still legal within the EU/UK, but are within the crosshairs and soon to be banned.

Liquid detergents rarely contain phosphates these days as it is too difficult for formulation. In powders usually phosphates replace heavy use of enzymes, but given the famously hard water found in parts of the UK, am willing to bet the phosphates are there to deal with hardwater minerals. There are chemical cocktails that can deal with hard water, but it takes two or three (or more), to do the jobs phosphates do by themselves.

L.
 
None of the powders or liquids seem to contain phosphates. Just the detergent tablets Persil and Tesco own brand.

Quite odd!
 
Sommerfeld Bio Tabs

Are also more than 30% Phosphate!!!! wonder if thats why they were reduced ti £1.47 for 48??????- maybe they are the same as Tesco ones??

Seamus

Seamus
 
Phosphates

Under these circumstances I guess they are an off-sale of left-over quantities of detergent compounds in the company that pruduces them... That would also explain the low price of them!
Here in Germany phosphates are not forbidden, but the use is restricted to protect the environment. But still most detergents for dishwashers contain more than 30% of it! Phosphates are a very good compound for cleaning and softening water in one go without producing a foaming condition! It would have been better to update the sewage centres all over the countries to take off the phosphates from the waste waters than to take them off the detergents but that would have cost a lot more than the way they handled it finally, namely to ban or restrict the amount of phosphates in them.
Phosphates have three unbeatable features: they work like a tenside, are a good water softener plus the characteristics of alkalines, namely to raise the ph-value which increases the wash-performance over again.
And better than Soda or SASil (sodium-aluminium-silicate) they are non-precipitating softeners, which means, they keep the hardness blocked and diluted in the water and not like the precipitating agents (soda and SASil), which build up small particles that appear in the water as a white residue (like milk or flour in water). To avoid residues on the washing as good as possible, sometimes to be found as white streaks on blacks and dark coloured items although, detergents need to contain much more tensides today as the old phosphate containing ones, to help to keep the particles diluted AND to keep up the wash-performance because phosphates, as just mentioned, also work as a cleaning agent!
Ralf
 
AND!!!

The current brands of Daz, Fairy Snow & Tesco Handwash & Twintub all contain between 15 - 30% PHOSPHATES....gotta love that lather, I still prefer to use Auto powder in the twinnies & top loaders just for the rinsability factor alone.

I one used the prescribed anount of Daz in the Servis Autowash twinny and was rinsing for England as well as adding Fabric Conditioner to kill the suds...

Question for Laundress, whilst there are certain parts of UK that have very hard water, do I take it that the US water is mostly soft to medium??

Cheers, Mike
 
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