liberatordeluxe
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Am sure there has been a mention of phthalates on here somewhere before but just curious to know if they get rinsed out of clothing? If you can't smell any perfume then I assume there are no phthalates present?
Phthalates
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Interesting question
Since Phthalates are derived from petroleum and may be present in detergent formulas for more than just scent, my guess would be no.
Just because you can't smell the scent dose not mean there all gone.
Water conditions would play a part in this, as well as your machines operations.
Looking at a ingredient list, or even a MSDS can be challenging because substances like this are often hidden in another part of the total formula.
Laundress may stop by and have more info on the subject, let see!
Is there a reason that your concerned?
Since Phthalates are derived from petroleum and may be present in detergent formulas for more than just scent, my guess would be no.
Just because you can't smell the scent dose not mean there all gone.
Water conditions would play a part in this, as well as your machines operations.
Looking at a ingredient list, or even a MSDS can be challenging because substances like this are often hidden in another part of the total formula.
Laundress may stop by and have more info on the subject, let see!
Is there a reason that your concerned?
arbilab
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OH EMM GEE
ANOTHER harmful chemical ubiquitous in the foodchain and environment. Thanks for making me look it up. I think. I thought my only problem was perfluorooctanoic acid, the use of which is being discouraged.
There are roughly 2 dozen phthalates, some more harmful and invasive than others. Thanks to our friends (HIGH sarcasm) in the chemical lobby, phthalates do not fall under any labelling regulations. They are "plausible endocrine disruptors". "Plausible" because it is obviously unethical to expose people to suspected toxins for testing purposes. They're suspected of causing everything from low birth weight, shortened anogenital distance, and emasculation of males.
The "new car smell" is largely phthalates. So is the smell of new vinyl. But no, though they are esters you can't necessarily smell them. Skin/body care products are swimming in them, they can absorb through the skin as well as leach from food containers, and they can be inhaled.
Glimpse this link. Skim past the unfathomable technospeak to what it's in and what it does. Both US and EU have restrictions but they are not as comprehensive as you'd like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate
ANOTHER harmful chemical ubiquitous in the foodchain and environment. Thanks for making me look it up. I think. I thought my only problem was perfluorooctanoic acid, the use of which is being discouraged.
There are roughly 2 dozen phthalates, some more harmful and invasive than others. Thanks to our friends (HIGH sarcasm) in the chemical lobby, phthalates do not fall under any labelling regulations. They are "plausible endocrine disruptors". "Plausible" because it is obviously unethical to expose people to suspected toxins for testing purposes. They're suspected of causing everything from low birth weight, shortened anogenital distance, and emasculation of males.
The "new car smell" is largely phthalates. So is the smell of new vinyl. But no, though they are esters you can't necessarily smell them. Skin/body care products are swimming in them, they can absorb through the skin as well as leach from food containers, and they can be inhaled.
Glimpse this link. Skim past the unfathomable technospeak to what it's in and what it does. Both US and EU have restrictions but they are not as comprehensive as you'd like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate
Thanks Arbilab
for stoping by. Always enjoy your posts. And thanks for the link.
Question is do they rinse out of laundry?
for stoping by. Always enjoy your posts. And thanks for the link.
Question is do they rinse out of laundry?
arbilab
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I couldn't find a clear reference to which phthalate is in detergent or softener or for what purpose. So I couldn't look closer at the characteristics of that particular phthalate. If it's in the scent and you can smell it, it didn't rinse out.
The group is characterized as "plasticizers". Other than perhaps some treatment of permpress, why would anyone want 'plasticizer' in their laundry? And since it's a highly questionable substance to bring into contact with one's self, in order to sell it Big Chem has lobbied for no labelling. So you can't reliably avoid it.
Perhaps (with a HUGE 'P') the customer service line on the bottle could tell you. Most likely they would just read a placation from a script. Phone answerers almost never 'know' anything, they just enter keywords and read what the screen says. Not satisfied? Ask for a supervisor. Oh, in a meeting eh? Thought so.
Whuzzabout 1-4 dioxane? You don't want that either, and it's most everywhere. Google 'phthalate free detergent'. Somebody knows what it is, there are 5.6 million links talking about it. How many are lying?
Jon could tell you if there are phthalates in Rosalie's, I'd rather think not.
The group is characterized as "plasticizers". Other than perhaps some treatment of permpress, why would anyone want 'plasticizer' in their laundry? And since it's a highly questionable substance to bring into contact with one's self, in order to sell it Big Chem has lobbied for no labelling. So you can't reliably avoid it.
Perhaps (with a HUGE 'P') the customer service line on the bottle could tell you. Most likely they would just read a placation from a script. Phone answerers almost never 'know' anything, they just enter keywords and read what the screen says. Not satisfied? Ask for a supervisor. Oh, in a meeting eh? Thought so.
Whuzzabout 1-4 dioxane? You don't want that either, and it's most everywhere. Google 'phthalate free detergent'. Somebody knows what it is, there are 5.6 million links talking about it. How many are lying?
Jon could tell you if there are phthalates in Rosalie's, I'd rather think not.
launderess
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Phthalates
My unscientific testing for phthalates and how well they are removed from laundry involves P&G's highly scented detergents and fabric softeners. If the door boot of the washer, dispenser drawer/tray and all other plastic parts that come into contact with these products even when mixed with water, and the scent remains then they are laden with phthalates. What is more long as you can still smell the fragrance then the aforementioned chemicals are still there.
The whole purpose of phthalates is to prolong fragrance on or in whatever the perfume comes into contact with, so if you can still smell that "lavender fresh" two weeks after laundry day, worse it sill lingers after subsequent washes, then IMHO the phthalates are still there doing their job.
My unscientific testing for phthalates and how well they are removed from laundry involves P&G's highly scented detergents and fabric softeners. If the door boot of the washer, dispenser drawer/tray and all other plastic parts that come into contact with these products even when mixed with water, and the scent remains then they are laden with phthalates. What is more long as you can still smell the fragrance then the aforementioned chemicals are still there.
The whole purpose of phthalates is to prolong fragrance on or in whatever the perfume comes into contact with, so if you can still smell that "lavender fresh" two weeks after laundry day, worse it sill lingers after subsequent washes, then IMHO the phthalates are still there doing their job.
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