What is this element for? And how does it work?
Sensi Temp Coil
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Its a UL thing:
https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-support-search-content?contentId=37448
Dumb, stupid and I can see this being nothing but a pain in the rear as the reviews are already flooding in that this element is awful and never getting hot enough.
I despise that I have to be punished for the carelessness of others. The most unequal thing of all is equal treatment of unequal people.
https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-support-search-content?contentId=37448
Dumb, stupid and I can see this being nothing but a pain in the rear as the reviews are already flooding in that this element is awful and never getting hot enough.
I despise that I have to be punished for the carelessness of others. The most unequal thing of all is equal treatment of unequal people.
Already been discussed in a previous thread, somewhere around here.
Plus it's butt ugly.
LOL, that too
Your my new friend cuffs!
Your my new friend cuffs!
New Safety Plug-In GE Sensatemp Elements
I hardly see them as ugly, they actually look very nice IMO.
These heat just as fast if used with proper cookware and will save many fires and injuries every year if the stove top is used improperly. saving all of us money on insurance medical costs etc.
Actually this type of product rewards the responsible people in society, there is no down side to responsible users, any of us can fall asleep with a stove turned on etc.
Now of course if your oven does not even have a thermostat you are certainly not concerned with safety, life liberty or even happiness, so why worry about burning your house down killing your family etc.
John
I hardly see them as ugly, they actually look very nice IMO.
These heat just as fast if used with proper cookware and will save many fires and injuries every year if the stove top is used improperly. saving all of us money on insurance medical costs etc.
Actually this type of product rewards the responsible people in society, there is no down side to responsible users, any of us can fall asleep with a stove turned on etc.
Now of course if your oven does not even have a thermostat you are certainly not concerned with safety, life liberty or even happiness, so why worry about burning your house down killing your family etc.
John
I would love to see this technology *expanded* -- I know that previous generations of Sensi-Temp-like burners were often unreliable but I still think that if we have good-enough technology presently to sense the temperature and let the user select the desired temperature, it would be a huge improvement.
In fact, people who had such technology back when it was a luxury item used to love it when and while it worked, particularly for making delicate sauces or frying.
In fact, people who had such technology back when it was a luxury item used to love it when and while it worked, particularly for making delicate sauces or frying.
The reviews are contradicting that however. The majority of them are negative. So they are indeed punishing the user due to the carelessness of others.
People get drunk and drive but we don't restrict cars to 20MPH, we haven't banned candles, space heaters or outdoor grills nor should we do so. All of those are misused and have lead to fires and deaths.
Perhaps a good idea is that UL is requiring portable generators to have low carbon monoxide output and monoxide cutoffs- but that still won't stop people from trying to use them indoors.
If you really want to save life and property have all new homes be equipped with fire sprinklers. Its actually mandated in the building code, amended out locally and no one seems to care.
And as I said- if the oven is wattage limited it won't go over 550*F. So I do care about life and property.
People get drunk and drive but we don't restrict cars to 20MPH, we haven't banned candles, space heaters or outdoor grills nor should we do so. All of those are misused and have lead to fires and deaths.
Perhaps a good idea is that UL is requiring portable generators to have low carbon monoxide output and monoxide cutoffs- but that still won't stop people from trying to use them indoors.
If you really want to save life and property have all new homes be equipped with fire sprinklers. Its actually mandated in the building code, amended out locally and no one seems to care.
And as I said- if the oven is wattage limited it won't go over 550*F. So I do care about life and property.
@Earthling: this however is just a high limit cutoff, not something that actually keeps a stable temp set by the user.
norgeway
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If you cant use a range
You don't need one!!! Im sure this mess would cause me to take one of those stoves out in the yard and use a sledge hammer on it, The original Sensi Temp WAS a good idea But in my 53 years I never saw even one that worked, NOT ONE,,It was very unreliable, this While different would make a range useless for canning etc You need hi heat for long periods to boil a big canner and keep up the pressure.
You don't need one!!! Im sure this mess would cause me to take one of those stoves out in the yard and use a sledge hammer on it, The original Sensi Temp WAS a good idea But in my 53 years I never saw even one that worked, NOT ONE,,It was very unreliable, this While different would make a range useless for canning etc You need hi heat for long periods to boil a big canner and keep up the pressure.
I understand that there are good ideas that are badly implemented and bad ideas that are well implemented, and the results are not always guaranteed to be what they are supposed to be in theory.
*However*, I wanna point out that regulations are not always bad, and manufacturers sometimes try to sabotage a good idea in the hopes that users will complain and remove the laws. This has happened to toilets, for example, instead of redesigning the toilets to use 1.6 gal/flush, they just lowered the water in the tank. Newsflash, I have Toto toilets that use even *less* than 1.6 gal/flush, mine use 1.2 gal/flush and have flushed every single time since they were installed in 2013, to the point that we put the plungers (that we needed every single day with the older 1.6 thingy) in the basement and one of them fell apart and the other one is well on the way to falling apart, with a very thick layer of dust on it, we have never needed them.
Same thing with the temp "limiters". I have a portable induction burner that has a very limited version of this, it lets me select about 10 different temps plus the max limit. One of them, for example, is 250F, which is *perfect* for pressure cookers, it drives the induction at max power until 250F then it throttles down the power and cuts in and out when necessary to use the pressure cooker, it's the best thing ever, much better than *any* other burner I've had for pressure cooking including the free-standing induction range I use every day.
A burner with a max temp of 450F is *way* more than adequate, _as long as_ it lets the user select whatever power they want and cuts off only when it reaches 450F. Canning never uses water at more than 250F, for example, and even frying and other activities will be well below that. At 451F paper (and a lot of other stuff) catches fire, and most foods would burn instead of cooking. Wok cooking is one of the few things that need very high temp and, honestly, you should be using a different burner than the standard coil anyway, because a very small portion of a wok makes contact with the burner.
I think you folks complaining about this don't realize you are falling prey to the manufacturers who want a huge crowd to be outraged about this so they can save a few pennies, because this should make absolutely *no* difference to most people *unless* the sensor is broken from day one from being misdesigned, in which case the manufacturer should be fined/punished for doing so on purpose.
Think about it, you rarely hear of people complaining about the max temp limiters causing trouble with the smoothtop or the cast-iron burners. The *thing* that causes trouble with those burners are pots and pans which are not straight/smooth on the bottom, and that has always been bad even for coil burners too.
Me, until we have someone who we *know* and *trust* saying that the new stuff they released is absolutely bad, I won't just trust random folks on the internet posting crap to troll us, sorry.
*However*, I wanna point out that regulations are not always bad, and manufacturers sometimes try to sabotage a good idea in the hopes that users will complain and remove the laws. This has happened to toilets, for example, instead of redesigning the toilets to use 1.6 gal/flush, they just lowered the water in the tank. Newsflash, I have Toto toilets that use even *less* than 1.6 gal/flush, mine use 1.2 gal/flush and have flushed every single time since they were installed in 2013, to the point that we put the plungers (that we needed every single day with the older 1.6 thingy) in the basement and one of them fell apart and the other one is well on the way to falling apart, with a very thick layer of dust on it, we have never needed them.
Same thing with the temp "limiters". I have a portable induction burner that has a very limited version of this, it lets me select about 10 different temps plus the max limit. One of them, for example, is 250F, which is *perfect* for pressure cookers, it drives the induction at max power until 250F then it throttles down the power and cuts in and out when necessary to use the pressure cooker, it's the best thing ever, much better than *any* other burner I've had for pressure cooking including the free-standing induction range I use every day.
A burner with a max temp of 450F is *way* more than adequate, _as long as_ it lets the user select whatever power they want and cuts off only when it reaches 450F. Canning never uses water at more than 250F, for example, and even frying and other activities will be well below that. At 451F paper (and a lot of other stuff) catches fire, and most foods would burn instead of cooking. Wok cooking is one of the few things that need very high temp and, honestly, you should be using a different burner than the standard coil anyway, because a very small portion of a wok makes contact with the burner.
I think you folks complaining about this don't realize you are falling prey to the manufacturers who want a huge crowd to be outraged about this so they can save a few pennies, because this should make absolutely *no* difference to most people *unless* the sensor is broken from day one from being misdesigned, in which case the manufacturer should be fined/punished for doing so on purpose.
Think about it, you rarely hear of people complaining about the max temp limiters causing trouble with the smoothtop or the cast-iron burners. The *thing* that causes trouble with those burners are pots and pans which are not straight/smooth on the bottom, and that has always been bad even for coil burners too.
Me, until we have someone who we *know* and *trust* saying that the new stuff they released is absolutely bad, I won't just trust random folks on the internet posting crap to troll us, sorry.
Don't think all those people posting negative stuff on the net about these burners are doing it to troll. I'm sure they have a genuine reason for not liking sensi-temps.
Granted I have never tried one, but unlike years past any new law/mandates in the name of safety have me a bit skeptical.
Granted I have never tried one, but unlike years past any new law/mandates in the name of safety have me a bit skeptical.
Each person has their specialty. I know next to nothing about medicine, dentistry, accounting etc.
I grew up with a father who spent his life as a professor of mechanical engineering, one of my brothers is a Mech. Eng. too (works in manufacturing) and many of my relatives are electronic engineers etc.
Me, I am a computer geek, and most of my friends work in fields that deal with security, anti-malware etc.
So, to sum up, two main ideas: one, the sensi-temp stuff we've seen prior to 1980's used different technologies (one of them used mercury, I think) and the other one which tried to use a thermocouple did not enjoy the technology we currently have for electronics or microprocessors. If the current sensi-temp this burner uses is a simple thermostat, it should present absolutely *no* problems, it's no different than any thermostats we've been using for decades, temp reaches 450F it switches off, temp falls under 450 it switches on.
The idea I proposed (expanding the sensi-temp to selectable temps) is reliable and being used for at least 2 decades by many high-end stovetops, and it's been inexpensive enough to be used in under $50 portable induction burners.
Second main idea, day in and day out, my friends and I have been observing thousands of *people* who are paid heavily by folks who do not have good intentions to create botnets with hundreds, sometimes thousands of computers infected by malware that spend a lot of time infecting *other* computers to enlarge the botnet, but, mainly, they spend 24x7 trolling and posting disinformation. A lot of them, posting "reviews" on Amazon, Lowe's, HomeDepot etc, extolling some products and excoriating competitors' products.
Unless this new sensi-temp was specifically designed to malfunction to drive folks to smooth tops or gas stovetops, they should work just as well as *any* other thermostats. And until someone I trust comes here on this site and gives a bad review, I will take everything else with a grain of salt.
We do not know the *reason* for those bad reviews. Is it a group of people who hate coil burners and want them banned? Is it some other manufacturer which has not managed to come out with something reliable and time is running out for them to comply with new regulations? Is it people who just love to cause trouble and want to see the whole industry go to shambles so they can buy it for pennies on the dollar?
We do not know.
Just give it a little time, and we will.
I am willing to bet that when regulations forced manufactures to get rid of exposed resistors in favor of either cast-iron burners or Calrod burners, people bitched about it too, and, if we had social networks back then, it would be teeming with folks crying about it too. And, in retrospect, I don't think there is a single thing we miss from those stupid burners which kept failing and putting users in danger.
I don't think we have changed much in just a hundred years. The flies changed, the crap is still the same, if you pardon me my French.
I grew up with a father who spent his life as a professor of mechanical engineering, one of my brothers is a Mech. Eng. too (works in manufacturing) and many of my relatives are electronic engineers etc.
Me, I am a computer geek, and most of my friends work in fields that deal with security, anti-malware etc.
So, to sum up, two main ideas: one, the sensi-temp stuff we've seen prior to 1980's used different technologies (one of them used mercury, I think) and the other one which tried to use a thermocouple did not enjoy the technology we currently have for electronics or microprocessors. If the current sensi-temp this burner uses is a simple thermostat, it should present absolutely *no* problems, it's no different than any thermostats we've been using for decades, temp reaches 450F it switches off, temp falls under 450 it switches on.
The idea I proposed (expanding the sensi-temp to selectable temps) is reliable and being used for at least 2 decades by many high-end stovetops, and it's been inexpensive enough to be used in under $50 portable induction burners.
Second main idea, day in and day out, my friends and I have been observing thousands of *people* who are paid heavily by folks who do not have good intentions to create botnets with hundreds, sometimes thousands of computers infected by malware that spend a lot of time infecting *other* computers to enlarge the botnet, but, mainly, they spend 24x7 trolling and posting disinformation. A lot of them, posting "reviews" on Amazon, Lowe's, HomeDepot etc, extolling some products and excoriating competitors' products.
Unless this new sensi-temp was specifically designed to malfunction to drive folks to smooth tops or gas stovetops, they should work just as well as *any* other thermostats. And until someone I trust comes here on this site and gives a bad review, I will take everything else with a grain of salt.
We do not know the *reason* for those bad reviews. Is it a group of people who hate coil burners and want them banned? Is it some other manufacturer which has not managed to come out with something reliable and time is running out for them to comply with new regulations? Is it people who just love to cause trouble and want to see the whole industry go to shambles so they can buy it for pennies on the dollar?
We do not know.
Just give it a little time, and we will.
I am willing to bet that when regulations forced manufactures to get rid of exposed resistors in favor of either cast-iron burners or Calrod burners, people bitched about it too, and, if we had social networks back then, it would be teeming with folks crying about it too. And, in retrospect, I don't think there is a single thing we miss from those stupid burners which kept failing and putting users in danger.
I don't think we have changed much in just a hundred years. The flies changed, the crap is still the same, if you pardon me my French.
I'll give you credit for calling out the bots. I've actually heard stories from friends that people are paid to troll and post disinformation from their home.
This story was sent to me two years ago:
http://www.managingcommunities.com/2013/01/14/i-was-a-paid-internet-shill/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...g1+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Not sure of its validity, but I can believe it.
Me, I'm no troll which is why I am less then perfect. I'm the real deal and the hiccups that comes with it.
With that said did you know Hillary Clinton is pro thermostat? I have computer tech friend who works for the government and they actually have her server- no joke.
This story was sent to me two years ago:
http://www.managingcommunities.com/2013/01/14/i-was-a-paid-internet-shill/
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...g1+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Not sure of its validity, but I can believe it.
Me, I'm no troll which is why I am less then perfect. I'm the real deal and the hiccups that comes with it.
With that said did you know Hillary Clinton is pro thermostat? I have computer tech friend who works for the government and they actually have her server- no joke.
