tecnopolis
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Sexy Black KitchenAid Dishwasher with aqua interior for sale. Worth Saving?
Sexy Black KitchenAid Dishwasher with aqua interior for sale. Worth Saving?
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tecnopolis
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..the money
Completely Worth saving.
Looks to be a KUDS-22 Superba. These were very good DW's.
Looks to be a KUDS-22 Superba. These were very good DW's.
stevet
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KUDS23
This is a 23 series Superba with the Whirlpool Power Module pump in it. You can tell by the large coarse strainer that straddles the complete sump opening and the flo thru drying duct is not porecelain but heat resistant plastic.
This has the same cycles as the 22 did but instead of the "rinsed only" light on the control panel, it has the "please wait" light that glows when you hit cancel so you know not to interrupt the rapid advance timer. I once called it a gimmick and someone from Whirlpool chastised me for it! Said it was to inform the user of what was going on!
This is a 23 series Superba with the Whirlpool Power Module pump in it. You can tell by the large coarse strainer that straddles the complete sump opening and the flo thru drying duct is not porecelain but heat resistant plastic.
This has the same cycles as the 22 did but instead of the "rinsed only" light on the control panel, it has the "please wait" light that glows when you hit cancel so you know not to interrupt the rapid advance timer. I once called it a gimmick and someone from Whirlpool chastised me for it! Said it was to inform the user of what was going on!
stevet
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DIFFERENT LOWER RACK TOO!
The left section of the rack is removable so large and bulky items can be placed on that side and then the rest of the dishes will go in the right side.
I personally prefer the standard rack. Never had a problem loading anything large and if you only have one pot or pan and then have space left over, you can still put dishes on the left side too.
I guess it could prevent some wear and tear on the tines.
The left section of the rack is removable so large and bulky items can be placed on that side and then the rest of the dishes will go in the right side.
I personally prefer the standard rack. Never had a problem loading anything large and if you only have one pot or pan and then have space left over, you can still put dishes on the left side too.
I guess it could prevent some wear and tear on the tines.
My KUDS220T4 had/has the same lower rack with removable plate section at the left side.
tecnopolis
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Seller wants $100
that circular screen looks a little warped.....take a look at it in person, and try to offer a lower price.....it is a very nice machine....
Between the door gasket and the lower rack tines pointing in all directions, combined with the warpage, the machine may have seen a lot of use.
Having said that, the control panel styling is my favorite. I'd still not be willing to pay $100 for it, particularly since it's a 23 series and not a 22, but the opinion of some members here is that the 23's Power Module pump is superior to Hobart's design.
Steve, I scoffed at the "please wait" light the first time I saw one, but now understand the logic behind it. It does take the cancellation process a while to complete and I've had to stop myself from opening the tub door too soon on my ISE Classic Supreme.
Having said that, the control panel styling is my favorite. I'd still not be willing to pay $100 for it, particularly since it's a 23 series and not a 22, but the opinion of some members here is that the 23's Power Module pump is superior to Hobart's design.
Steve, I scoffed at the "please wait" light the first time I saw one, but now understand the logic behind it. It does take the cancellation process a while to complete and I've had to stop myself from opening the tub door too soon on my ISE Classic Supreme.
Please Wait Light
Be-live it or not before they added this light we used to go out on service calls because people could not get their KDS21s and KUS22s to start because they had hit the cancel-drain button and were too impatient to wait the almost two minutes that it took to run through the CD sequence which blocked the machine from starting the cycle they were trying to start.
Be-live it or not before they added this light we used to go out on service calls because people could not get their KDS21s and KUS22s to start because they had hit the cancel-drain button and were too impatient to wait the almost two minutes that it took to run through the CD sequence which blocked the machine from starting the cycle they were trying to start.
stevet
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on the money!
John,
That was exactly what the woman from Whirlpool told me about the Wait light!
John,
That was exactly what the woman from Whirlpool told me about the Wait light!
beekeyknee
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Please Wait Light
I suppose if one were hard of hearing it might be nice, but couldn't one hear the timer advancing. One could on the Hobart machines. I assume these machines had electro-mechanical timers. This was always a no brainer for us. Even when we first got it we knew not to mess with it until all the lights were out and sounds had stopped.
I suppose if one were hard of hearing it might be nice, but couldn't one hear the timer advancing. One could on the Hobart machines. I assume these machines had electro-mechanical timers. This was always a no brainer for us. Even when we first got it we knew not to mess with it until all the lights were out and sounds had stopped.
beekeyknee
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Please Wait Light
I suppose if one were hard of hearing it might be nice, but couldn't one hear the timer advancing. One could on the Hobart machines. I assume these machines had electro-mechanical timers. This was always a no brainer for us. Even when we first got it we knew not to mess with it until all the lights were out and sounds had stopped. How about 'Dummies Wait'?
I suppose if one were hard of hearing it might be nice, but couldn't one hear the timer advancing. One could on the Hobart machines. I assume these machines had electro-mechanical timers. This was always a no brainer for us. Even when we first got it we knew not to mess with it until all the lights were out and sounds had stopped. How about 'Dummies Wait'?
Rapid timer advancing can be heard, yes. But as I recall on my KUDS22, there was either a) a final timer increment in which the drying fan ran for one minute (with heat off), or b) a final one-minute timer increment during which there was no machine action until it advanced once more and shut off completely ... and then when the door latch was raised the rapid-advance motor triggered again to set the timer to the beginning of the entire program for the next start when a cycle button was pressed.
A consumer could assume the cancel process was finished and raise the handle during the "dwell" increment, thus interrupting the cancel process and not getting an immediate start for the next cycle ... which could then be interpreted as a malfunction. Pressing a button would have resumed the timer advancement, with another raise of the latch required for the to-start reset, and another button press to start again ... but impatience and misunderstanding of the machine's operation likely resulted in service calls.
A consumer could assume the cancel process was finished and raise the handle during the "dwell" increment, thus interrupting the cancel process and not getting an immediate start for the next cycle ... which could then be interpreted as a malfunction. Pressing a button would have resumed the timer advancement, with another raise of the latch required for the to-start reset, and another button press to start again ... but impatience and misunderstanding of the machine's operation likely resulted in service calls.
The post directly above perfectly captures the logic behind the "Please Wait" light.
The wait for the electromechanical RAT to do its thing can seem much longer than it actually is, and there are perceived long periods where there are no clicking sounds. Considering how many people don't read operating instructions or perhaps don't remember the portion dealing with the cancel function, it's easy to understand that service calls could ensue.
Not everyone has the mechanical inclinations to understand how the RAT works. Somehow they don't apply the same logic to the cancel operation as they do when they've stopped a cycle to add a forgotten item. Once the door is opened, you need to push the cycle button again to resume after the door has been closed and latched (also true on MAT models). The same applies to the cancel function but it's not exactly intuitive to push the cancel button again to tell the machine to continue the process of not doing something. Even the "Please Wait" light won't help if the door is unlatched too soon, but the logic behind it was to prevent the door from being opened in the first place.
Almost exclusively, the cancel button on my ISE Classic Supreme gets used when a toddler has played with the panel or someone has leaned against it. I'm getting into the practice of leaving the door unlatched to avoid this issue. With the KA latch design, the handle sticks out when lifted, and as a result when I had a KA I always latched the door. With the side-to-side latching action of the ISE, the look is much more discreet when the door is not latched. $250K well-spent by Emerson? I'm beginning to think so!
The wait for the electromechanical RAT to do its thing can seem much longer than it actually is, and there are perceived long periods where there are no clicking sounds. Considering how many people don't read operating instructions or perhaps don't remember the portion dealing with the cancel function, it's easy to understand that service calls could ensue.
Not everyone has the mechanical inclinations to understand how the RAT works. Somehow they don't apply the same logic to the cancel operation as they do when they've stopped a cycle to add a forgotten item. Once the door is opened, you need to push the cycle button again to resume after the door has been closed and latched (also true on MAT models). The same applies to the cancel function but it's not exactly intuitive to push the cancel button again to tell the machine to continue the process of not doing something. Even the "Please Wait" light won't help if the door is unlatched too soon, but the logic behind it was to prevent the door from being opened in the first place.
Almost exclusively, the cancel button on my ISE Classic Supreme gets used when a toddler has played with the panel or someone has leaned against it. I'm getting into the practice of leaving the door unlatched to avoid this issue. With the KA latch design, the handle sticks out when lifted, and as a result when I had a KA I always latched the door. With the side-to-side latching action of the ISE, the look is much more discreet when the door is not latched. $250K well-spent by Emerson? I'm beginning to think so!
Please Wait Light
Hi Brain , Glen and Ralph explained very well why the PWL was added as the timer was making no sound while it was doing the final reset with just the regular slow timer motor running.
Hi Brain , Glen and Ralph explained very well why the PWL was added as the timer was making no sound while it was doing the final reset with just the regular slow timer motor running.
tecnopolis
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Maybe someone should write a book, "KitchenAid Dishwashers for dummies".
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