SPRAY DURING SPIN

[Kenmore62]

HI
My 2000 Whirlpool washer only has spray during rinse spin.
My old Whirlpool had spray during wash and rinse spin.Does anybody know why they delited the spray during wash spin.
I would think spray during wash spin would be better to help rinse out soap before the rinse fill. THANKS

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[gmmcnair]

Hello from Oregon

I think it has to do with federal energy efficiency standards that have gotten more and more stringent. They made them tighter in 2004 and are making them even tougher to meet in 2007. I think you will see some changes then, some not so welcome...perhaps the demise of the top-loader as we know it. Many machines don't pass muster under the new standards.

Personally, I would like to see the machines do their job, and leave energy consciousness to me....e.g....doing only full loads, washing in the lowest temperature possible for the fabric. If they want to save water and energy, why not bring back the suds saver??? You could wash two to four loads with one tub of water by bucking it up with a small amount of detergent for each re-use, and yes it worked fine.

My rant for the day...LOL...sorry. Have a great "Almost Friday"

Mike

 

[frigilux]

I SO agree with your point about bringing back the suds-saver. I might even go back to a TL'er if that were available. I would imagine one of the problems with that is most laundry rooms don't have big tubs/sinks anymore. Don't know how many people would be able to take advantage of a suds-saver these days.

When I lived in a warehouse apt. and had my gorgeous '59 Lady Kenmore w/ suds-saver, I bought a big plastic garbage can and used that as my water storage tub. Worked well! I had to empty the inch or two of water at the bottom when I was done for the day, but that wasn't too much trouble. The back door to the alley was right off my laundry room.

As for your other point, I am in favor of manufacturers being forced to create more efficient products---as long as the resulting machines do the job well. Otherwise, it's like saying "Let's not make more fuel efficient cars; we'll just trust the owner will drive it fewer miles every week."

 

[gmmcnair]

I agree...

I see your point, frigilux, and I am in agreement with you regarding more efficient products as long as performance doesn't suffer.

I just wish the manufacturers would either tinkle or get off the potty, and either get more efficient top loaders out there or more affordable front loaders. I have a Kenmore top-loader laundry center (made by Frigidaire) that is a shadow of what these machines were once upon a time. Yeah, it's given me good service, but what energy savings they built into the machine is eaten up by the fact that I need a second rinse to get the detergent out (sensitive skin here). My old GE, and my old Kenmore didn't have that problem.

 

[toggleswitch]

tinkle or get off the potty,

LOL. Not all of us have to sit for that (ducks and runs)

Still I want no; I DEMAND a spray rinse in addition to a deep rinse. It's just not a top-loader without it.

I am thinking of rigging my new GE top-loader (if I can keep my house) to get a a spray rinse.

The drain pump is driven by a separate moter. It's just a matter of adding a relay to open the cold water inlet solenoid, on a delay timer...i.e. open the value (energize a relay) for a minute after XX minutes of draining.

 

[frigilux]

Toggle, you add so much fun and color to AW that if I lived closer I'd be willing to stand by your sprayless GE and toss a bucket of water in during the first spin of each load.

 

[DADoES]

There have been several "efficient" toploaders tried recently -- Whirlpool/Kenmore Calypso, Maytag Neptune TL, GE Harmony, and now Whirlpool Cabrio / Kenmore Oasis. We know the Calypso story. Neptune TL is already discontinued far as I know. That leaves the Harmony and Cabrio/Oasis.

Oh, and Fisher & Paykel, which are traditional agitator machines, getting higher efficiency by high-speed spin, limiting hot water use, and [optionally] running spray rinses instead of a deep rinse.

The thing is, unless there's some radical change in fabrics and washing methods, there's no way to get clean clothes without using some amount of water and power.

I was thinking about refrigerators last night. A super-efficient refrigerator could be designed using just enough power to reach and hold the required temperature .... IF nobody opens it, IF ambient temperatures never change, IF this, and IF that. But those conditions don't happen in the real world. There are variables that must be handled.

 

[pulsator]

If one looks under the cabinet of a toploader, you'll see that there is quite a bit of extra space... I wonder why the companies never thought of installing some kind of water tank there so that a Suds Saver could be used without the sink. It may force them to down the capcity a little bit, but, if it means toploader or no toploader, I go with toploader!

 

[gmmcnair]

They used to do that....

Check out a couple of the vintage owners manuals, namely the Fridigaire from the 50's, on this site and you can see where they actually used to do that. I wish they still did. I would pay a little extra cost and give up some capacity to have my top loader AND save water.

 

[jonv112]

On the Oasis, the default is a deep fill rinse. With 2nd Rinse selected, there are several spray rinses in addition to the deep fill rinse.

 

[alr2903]

the new frigidaire T/L

has neutral drains but the spray in mine starts as soon the first spin kicks in and it is a long continuous spray probably at least 30 - 40 seconds, sometimes i do not even use the optional second rinse. Electrolux has done a lot to bring these low end machines up to par. If you do not want to spend a lot and need a washer, it would be hard to beat.

 

[frigilux]

I briefly considered getting a TL'er for a few months as a stop-gap before I get my new FL'er. I considered Frigidaire, as even their TOL TL'er is very competitively priced.

So they have neutral drains, now. Remember when WP/KM were the only ones to do that? Which model do you have? Does it have the dual-action agitator with the spiral?

 

[toggleswitch]

I'd be willing to stand by your sprayless GE and toss a bucket of water in during the first spin of each load.

Ok, jsut dont use your hose!

Junior- (Jamie):
Great idea to have a water recycling tank within the machine itself. Will it work though? As currently engineered, my new GE top-loader is quite tight space-wise within the cabinet.

Oddly, even with its huge wash-basket the adjacent front-loading Fri-Ge-More (with a *small* wash-cylinder) fits more clothing, IMHO.

 

[alr2903]

frigilux yep DAA ,spiral and yes i remember wp/km

yep it has the the DAA, the model number and stuff is in thread 7483. Now this was a "clearance" machine, and We needed it Now. the drain pump is separate and electric, when you hear the motor stop from the spinning you can still hear the pump run another 30 seconds, Frigidaires lid still locks. although it stays locked about 2 minutes after it stops, the rinse water starts pouring in the second the wash or first spin stops, Our old amana use to pause for this and pause for that. but the Frigidaire just keeps on going so time wise, guess it works out about the same. So far I really like it. arthur.