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This is totally fabulous news. I've been following this story with great hopes as well. We made it by 1 little vote! 100 to 49.

Ummm, Keven, "fcuking" Why are you using a spelling like that? Does it make it less offensive?
 
Hi Robert!

What a week!
Several filters won't display pages with Anglo-Saxon words. That is why I always write use a "1" instead of an "i" or turn two letters around.

False modesty is so not my style.

And since some of the more sensitive ladies routinely get the vapors, I daresay they get my meaning.

But back to the topic at hand. This is wonderful! Fantastic!
 
Wonderful News!

Regardless of what words are used to describe it, there is nothing vulgar about granting the dignity and benefits of full civil rights to all citizens. Shame on the governor for vetoing this legislation in the first place, and kudos to legislators for having the decency and common sense to override the veto.

Such a shame that this is being done on a state-by-state basis, but if that's the only path then it must be done this way.
 
It will work it's way to Federal court, just takes some time. When a couple married in California, Vermont, etc. sues for recognition in their own state to test the constitutionality of their laws, it will make it's way to the Supremes and the ban will (hopefully) be ruled unconstitutional.
 
no,

Peter, I have to disagree with you on that one - and it is interesting we do disagree.

Until the 1947 California court decision, it was to the courts the conservatives ran, not walked, when they wanted a liberal law or a situation they disliked overturned or banned.
Home schooling in the 1920's, for instance.
Nearly all of FDR's legislation in the early 1933-34 legislative session (we got smart and began to pack the courts after that, just like you did under Nixon).
And so on.

When Bush vs. Gore came up, I would venture the guess that you were totally cool with the Supreme's ruling...honestly now...weren't you?

And through all those dark years prior to FDR packing, er, carefully selecting appropriate justices, we liberals were completely opposed to the courts deciding anything. Let the decisions be made by the people, by their elected representatives...

Well, you know the story.

The truth is, the US is more a federal republic with one organ of government out of the three being a representative democracy. The other organ is chosen by a college of electors (two for each state + one for every representative), and a third organ which is recommended by the executive, seated by the legislative.

Truly, in the American federalist tradition, it mattereth not one whit whether the courts decide or the legislature.

Just, back about 80 years ago, you thought the courts were the best ones for the job and I didn't. Today, we see it the opposite way.
 
O my stars!

The Washington D.C council just granted recognition to SSM performed outside of DC.

This is interesting because DC, itself, has no say so in their governance - all is decided by the Federal Legislature (which explains a lot about DC).

And that means, the Democrats are now on the spot. They can't ignore it and hope it goes away, if I remember my Civics correctly...they now must either slap it down (can you say Procurator, sure you can and she is staying out of this one) or permit it which will cause the Republicans to, well, it could be interesting.

What a week it has been since last Friday...and it's only Tuesday!
 
I agree with Keven's basic point, but for an even more basic reason:

As they were designed, one of the primary jobs of our state and federal court systems is to review laws, to make sure they pass constitutional muster. While "let the people and legislatures decide" makes nice rhetoric, thousands of laws over the last 200+ years have been found to be in violation of our federal and state constitutional rights.

Judges can be separated into two basic groups, those who both understand what their job is, and are willing to do it, and those who don't, and/or aren't. This second group generally believe our rights are limited to whatever is explicitly defined in our constitutions, except of course when people wish to do something these judges personally agree with, like impose Christian prayer in public schools or bash gay people. The likes of Scalia and Thomas are hypocrites of the highest order, and IMO the sooner they kick the bucket, the better for our country.
 
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