W1612 : a 120 Volt boilwashing canadian Miele

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Spoke With Miele USA Just This Week About This

Apparently it is a model only being sold in Canada at the moment, with no plans (that Miele tech support knew about), to bring them down south.

Another strange thing Miele related, if one purchases a Miele appliance in Canada and brings it to the United States, or vice versa, it voids the warranty. So think carefully before purchasing a new Miele and moving house.

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Why, is there a discernable difference between a two hour cycle/programme and a three hour cycle/programme? :-)

Hear this however, detergents can only hold soil in suyspension for 30 minutes. So without a prewash and a fresh water-change (and especially without phosphates) one shudders to think of the results. The dirt from the armpit sand inseam areas gets sread over the entire garment, since it can't be held in suspesion in the water.
 
Well Amercian Detergents

Yes, but European front loading detergents were and for the most part still are designed for the long "boil wash" cycles common on that side of the pond.

Being as the above may, in response to the "rapid" cycles being offered on many UK/Euro washing machines, Persil, Ariel and other detergents now come in formulas supposedly giving equal results with short wash cycles.

Remember also that the long cycles were designed to give different portions of the detergent a chance to work. Oxygen bleaches in particular tend to require long contact times, though the advent of activated perborate and or switching to percarbonate bleaching systems means the process starts sooner (in cool to warm water), thus one can shorten cycle times.

Being as all the above may, you are correct in that it is better for grossly soiled laundry to have a pre-wash then a wash rather than one long wash cycle.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting 2-3 hour cycles from.

The Aussie ones, (Mum has a W1511) do a full sub 60decC cycle in 40 minutes with 2 rinses, or 56 minutes with 3. This is from Cold Fill. Longest wash time would be about 60-70 minutes and that'd be at 95deg with a full load and short turned off. with the remaining time in 2-3 rinses. Total time around 2 hours.

This manual states that the machine fills hot & Cold for cycles above 40degC, so I doubt heating time is going to add that much time. If you start at 50deg C, you're talking about approx 75mins to get to 90deg. It means it mightn't hold very long, but the rest of the world has detergents that work in that fashion.

With hot and cold fill and short selected, I cant see why a normal 60degC cycle couldnt be completed with 3 rinses in about an hour.
 
Keep in mind that many vintage Euro/UK front loading washing machines, especially those with manual timers held heating cycles based on time not temp.

Wash cycle could last much longer than necessary if the set temperature was reached but one waited for the timer to advance based upon whatever parameters the machine used.

My vintage Miele W1070 (W700 in Europe)allows a certian amount of time for heating water, regardless of incoming temperature being 40C or 70C. Of course the thermostat will click off the heater once desired temp is reached, but the timer will not advance until it is supposed to. OTHO if the wash temp is not reached and it is time for the timer to move, it will click on, however the heating will continue, and indeed goes on until the proper temp is reached. Though have a hunch once it starts getting near the end of the cycle thermostat will shut off regardless, though am not sure.

Running on 22V, and decent Euro front loader should bring "cold" tap water from a house in Sweden in winter to temp rather quickly.
 
Miele has several programming modes for different countries

Hi Nathan your W 1511 works on Australian mode, that's why your boilwash lasts 70 mins only

In the following link is an old thread about Novotronics servicemode / function programming
You can notice different options to set Euro/US/AU/Swedish modes

Actually latest euromieles (W5000 / W6000) have an "intensive" cycle with higher wash level and prewash by default. This program takes 2 hr 45 mins vs 110 mins of their normal boilwash

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/MODERN/2008/18937x20.htm
 
Launderess always says right - Stepped wash baths

.. about timing & detergent

Go figure that Electrolux washers had a 3 step heating phase : 40°C , 60° C , 95°C. A "soiling degree" dial allowed to select the holding time at these them.

So in case of a 95°C programme with the "heavy soil" position on the dial the machine heated up to 40°C, then washed for 13 mins, further heat up to 60°, another 13 mins wash step, heat up to boiling and 13 min boilwash. This means 39 mins added to the normal timing after heat up

otherwise with the knob on "very light soil" the machine would heat up directly from tap cold to 95°C
 
Hi Favorit,

Even in Euro Mode, my W2888 only runs to 1:54 on 95degC and thats a full load with Intensive selected. The W2515 is about 2:05

The US Mode on the W1511 and W2888 machines is almost identical to the AU mode, the noticable exception that I've seen is lower water levels for the US compared to AU.

I've never noticed any stepped heating with the Miele's, the W423 is thermo/time, and all my other novo/navi tronics just heat until the computer is satisfied and continue on.

I prefer Euro mode for the longer wash times, as more often than not the AU mode would perform a final topup and then start draining 30 seconds later.

As Sir Humphrey Appleby would call it a courageous decision to market a Machine in the US/Canada with a 3 hour wash time.
 

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