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Leaking early 70s Westinghouse dishwasher

Sorry, it leaks so much but I’m not surprised in the least bit, we used to get calls on these machines and also the ones WCI built right after him he would literally find 5 to 10 places the machine was leaking like Barry said if it could leak, it would leak.

There’s very little likelihood that seals will swell up and start working. It’s only true to very limited degree. Modern neoprene rubber seals do not dry out with time. And they do not improve with water.

You’ll either have to take things apart and reseal them or replace shaft seals, etc..

John
 
leakage

I am sure you are right, John. Any improvement by hydrating the seals, no doubt will be limited at best. Westinghouse's literature states water stays in the pump and trap to lubricate the seals. These seals likely have been dry for forty plus years.

I think I can an use Form-a-gasket on the main seal, I have had good results with it in the past. But, the drain valve and the main pump seal behind the fan will need a seal kit.

I can see why the fan/motor shaft was so prone to rust on these units. Not only is any pump shaft seal leakage sprayed around by the fan, but the fan is running during 100 percent of the time the dishwasher is on. During washing/rinsing, as well as during drying, hot moisture laden air is continually being exhausted from the tub and circulated through the fan, making contact with the shaft. Any time the dishwasher is on that shaft is literally being innundated with moisture.
 
Of course the shart should’ve been stainless steel, but only a handful of dishwashers ever went to the extra expense of the stainless steel motor shaft.

Hobart built KitchenAids always had a Stainless Steel shaft that was the main company that went to the extra expense, which is why their pumps are so repairable, because you can always take them apart and rebuild them without fighting with a rusted shaft.

Every other US built dishwasher suffered with problems with rusted motor shafts, so you often need it to replace the motor when doing a pump rebuild.

John
 
I guess Westinghouse did not want the dishwasher to last long, knowing they would be out of the appliance business. I think even White-Westinghouse started to get D&M machines when the stock of these dishwashers ran out.
 
sell of Westinghouse major appliance division

As odd as it seems, Westinghouse did not intend to sell its major appliance division. It was an eleventh hour decision. The New York Times quoted that Westinghouse invested $73 million dollars to modernize their major appliance division as late as June 1974. At this time, the Westinghouse Chairman, Donald Burnham publicly stated that their major appliance division, "...will definitely not be closed out."

However, Wall Street and Westinghouse investors seemed to bristle at this expenditure by Westinghouse and stock prices dropped with their announcement of continuing their non-highly profitable appliance division. It had only produced a measly $50 million profit in the last year, much less than the $73 million just invested into it.

Under pressure from Wall Street, Westinghouse decided in December 1974, with it being announced on December 29th, that it would sell it appliance division to White Consolidated.

In only six months Westinghouse went from trying to improve their appliance division to divesting itself of it. This is what happens when a corporation goes from pleasing the consumer to pleasing the stockholder.

Of course, this is speculation on my part, but I think that the administrators from
above told Westinghouse Appliances to cut corners wherever they could to reduce production costs and thus increase per unit profitability. Hence doing little things such as removing wheels from the lower rack on their dishwashers, etc.

The engineers at the appliance division, I am sure, did their best to work around the mindless demands of upper administration and I am sure they were not happy about reducing the quality of their appliances to please the administration. NO engineer likes their designs tampered with by the bean counters.

The bean counters don't always have enough intellect to realize that consumers aren't totally stupid, and sales will drop when the quality of a machine is reduced to the point where it affects its performance. Word of mouth, Consumer Reports and astute salesmen, who steer their customers away from under performing products, can definitely affect sales of products that have been tampered with by the bean counters in administration.

"You Can Be Sure" George Westinghouse was turning over in his grave in knowing that the bean counters and stockholders who were now the ones effectively running his beloved business.

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Some dishwashers of the 1970 were shabby...

When we first moved into a newer house in 1975 it had a Tappan DW that was so cheap that some plastic bits came off and the metal cut my hand. I remember White Westinghouse was cheaply made too and even GE was kind of tinny. Me and my sisters had to buy dishwashers for our parents because they were too cheap to buy a new one and to be truthful, a D&M Kenmore seemed pretty solid compared to some others. Being young and not knowing, we could not afford KitchenAid.
 
Bean counters versus engineers in Appliance design

Every manufacturer has been counters it’s the only way a company could survive, you have to have a product that you can afford to make it. A customer can afford to buy.

Westinghouse downfall came for many things, but the most obvious is the poor quality even in the late 50s their appliances were not as good as General Electric, whirlpool, Maytag and others

When Levitt stopped using Westinghouse appliances in 1963 that was typical of the blues that Westinghouse suffered because it was becoming obvious that it was harder to sell a new house if it had Westinghouse appliances compared to GE whirlpool or Frigidaire.

The other factor was they were just simply too many companies making appliances in the herd was going to get then doubt unfortunately Westinghouse Was weak from years of building poor quality appliances.

All that said I have always had a soft spot for Westinghouse engineering styling etc. which is why I have many Westinghouse appliances in our collections.

John
 
Now, I have to admit, I did not manage to get into every house on our street within the first couple of years, putting me at age 7-10. There were 2 houses that had Westinnghouse kitchens, the same appliances, but two different colors and threre was a house between the two, which was predomantly gas kitchen. Otherwise, the houses that had electric kitchens were GE. Two houses had gas kitchens that had O & M cooking with one having RCA WP impeller and the other the O&M dual-drench. A couple of other houses had gas kitchens with RCA WP impeller dw. There were several all gas with RCA WP appliances. One house had a KDS12, but I don't remember what the other apppliances were because I was mesmerized by the Norge Combo. At least two houses had Frigidaire kitchens. But probably 5 other houses I never got to go into.
 
bean counters

John, well of course, we have to have "bean counters!", ha. That goes without saying. At least we need them, to a degree. Oftentimes, they wrestle more control than need be and do more harm them good... when pleasing the stockholder is their number one priority. If we didn't have them then every engineer would build their appliances like a metal armored tank with every conceivable option.

Engineers go into the field of engineering because they like to design, and create. In school we were drilled in parameters such redundancy, safety factor, quality and accountability. Descriptors you aren't likely to encounter on the business card of a "bean counter."

When administration interferes and tells the engineer not to over-design, but to under-design, and when an engineer's design is tampered with, it does not go over well.

Engineers vs. management is a historic battleground. Engineers are possesive of their design. that is their baby. When administration interferes, you can guess who wins, the ones who hold the purse strings.

In the casse of Westinghouse, they had some fine engineers and some very creative innovations. The entire Westinghouse Corporation ran into financial woes in the early seventies when Westinghouse's Nuclear Division defaulted on supplying Uranium fuel to it's customers at the contractual price that was promised.

Basically, Westinghouse said if you buy one of our reactors, we will promise to deliver Uranium fuel for the plant at this given price for X many years. the price is locked in and you will never see an increase. Naturally, many utilities jumped at this. General Electric was not offering such a customer friendly perk.

When the raw Uranium prices went up, Westinghouse defaulted on their promises and no longer would supply fuel at the contractual price. Lawsuits hit Westinghouse from right and left and the financial losses from the Nuclear Division put the company in a desperate situation. Cuts were made in virtually all divisions, and many divisions were sold off in turn for readily available cash.

The Appliance Division had become an unwanted stepchild to Westinghouse and it, perhaps, was make to suffer more from the transgressions of its sibling Nuclear Division, than it should have been. At least they kept it.

Product quality, in many cases was compromised, to a degree, by cost cuttings savings.

To add to their problems, Westinghouse was sued by the U.S. Government for price gouging for military electrical supplies.

As mentioned before, Westinghouse was still not wanting to eliminate their appliance division, At the bequest of the Appliance Division's management $73 million was appropriated to the appliance division. Westinghouse told upper management this was necessary to modernize, and in return the Appliance Division would become more competitive and a greater supplier of profit to the ailing corporation.

Wall Street had not liked Westinghouse Appliance Division's meager additions to the overall profit of the company. Just two years earlier, Westinghouse had sold it's underperforming small appliance division, in 1972, to Scovill. Now Wall Street was clamoring Westinghouse to rid itself of its Major Appliance Division to infuse money into the corporation.

Finally, in December they did just that because of the sharp drop in corporate share prices, when Westinghouse announced the investment in their Major Appliance Division, in the previous July.

Westinghouse Appliances did see cost cutting measures in the early seventies when the Corporation was bleeding money. Trust me, the engineers did not dummy down their appliances willingly. You do what is told of you, because you have to feed your family. I am sure their engineers had choice words of anger about management when they began handing down mandates for cost cutting of designs.

They did what they were told to do. Even so, their appliances were not junk, by any means. But they were designed, per administrations mandate, that every available cost-cutting measure be taken.

It's a moot point now, of course. Westinghouse has gone, fading away in the shadow of GE's disappearing tail lights. In my opinion, they didn't use the marketing expertise nor the fined tuned distribution system that GE had at the time.

Their advertising and sponsoring of appropriate television shows, in the fities and sixties was certainly good. They were a primary sponsor of shows of the like of "The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour" and the "Nannette Fabray Show." Their chosen spokesperson,Betty Furness, was a believable and could sell snow-cones to an Eskimo.

I think they went south when they replaced Betty with Frank Gifford. Yes, Frank was a well known name in the sports world, but I was watching some of his Westinghouse ads on You-Tube a while back, and he just didn't quite cut it as an appliannce sales man.

You believed Betty and her presentation of Westinghouse's appliance virtues. I was watching Frank trying to sell a dishwasher. He looked like he would rather not be there and was reading a script because he was forced to.

Yes, he read the words and went through the motions the director told him, but you can't lie to a camera, and he still looked like a football player being forced to talk about something that he had no clue on how it worked, and he had not even the slightest interest in.

I am sure the ladies watching the ad were delighted by his looks, but I don't think he convinced them to go out and buy a Westinghouse appliance, ha. That wasn't what they were thinking when they watched him, no doubt.

I have a soft-spot for Westinghouse, as well. At one time they were innovative, stylish and had good quality and some of the most creative engineers in the business. Westinghouse is gone with the Wind, as is most of General Electric, GM's Frigidaire, Ford's Philco and Nash's Kelvinator and a host of others.

At least we can collect what remains of these appliances, preserve them and look to them as a reminder of the days when the world was a little bit different place.[this post was last edited: 9/19/2023-23:16]
 

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