What wash system does this use?

[Chetlaham]

Don't know a lot about this machine, but let me say I really like the look of this machine and the inside looks to be in good shape (no rust). However, what type of wash mechanism does this use? And can anyone guess the year? With that said, it this worth getting?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Avo...367824&pid=100227&rk=3&rkt=15&sd=132038474388

 

[appnut]

GE 68 or 69 bol.

 

[brucelucenta]

I personally would not give $10 for this machine. It was a builder's model and not much to start with.

 

[Chetlaham]

68-69

This would mean shaded pole motor, sump, and drain solenoid?

 

[gyrafoam]

GE sold a gazillion of these in Florida during the building-boom of apartments in the 60's and 70's. They were a POS. So loud, they sounded like a circular-saw going. Poor performers, no filtration and snapping solenoids. Awful machines IMO.

 

[Chetlaham]

Id imagine being a plastisol. Only thing that has me hooked is the nostalgic look. And owning one of these in good condition. All of the plastisol machines I ever encountered were in a scrap bin horrifically rusted- so I never had a chance to use one in person.

 

[norgeway]

Steve is right on the money

They along with the comparable Hotpoints use a 1750 rpm shaded pole motor, you might think it would be quiet, but it sounds to me like a chainsaw running!

 

[combo52]

Basic GE DW

These and similar machines were built from 1967-arnoud 1980 with the orignal shaded pole motor and the plastsol over steel tank interior.

 

GE sold millions of these DWs, in fact GE built more DWs than anyone else and largely through builders got millions of Americans their first DW.

 

These DWs were actually great performers, in the 1973 CR report on DWs this basic machine was rated only 2nd to a Maytag WU600 and ahead of the KA KDS-17. Cleaning of the GE was roughly equal to the MT & KA, and drying performance was better than the MT. Reliability of the GE was better than the MT or KA as well.

 

The major weak point of these GE DWs was longevity as they tended to rust out and have a shorter life span, they also had a limited capacity and regimented loading issues, but the single wash arm KA and the werd loading design of the MT DW was not much better at holding a mixed load.

 

I you want to try one of these GEs out I am sure you will have fun with it.

 

Footnote: These GE DWs were not similar to Hotpoint DWs of this time, HP used a 1725 RPM induction motor and a porclean tub and different racks. Ge used a 3000 RPM shaded motor and a completely different pump design. In the early 70s HP switched to the GE pump and motor design but kept there own rack design and porclean tank. For a number of reasons HP DWs never performed quite as well as GE DWs.

 

[appnut]

For a number of reasons HP DWs never performed quite as wel

John, thank you for confirming what I knew with regards to the 1984 HP PotWasher that came with my house (maybe an HDA865??).  I remember my real estate agent pointing the dishwasher out when I was looking at the house extolling its virtues and I knew better from apa4rtment models I'd used.  And trust me, it didn't mange to disappointment me at all.  I did a lot of meal entertaining those first months of all of us being transferred here from Houston.  And the damn thing continued to spray yibblits all over glasses in the top rack, regardless of how I loaded--and always used the potwasher cycle.  I'd end up soaking the glasses in a sink full of Dawn and loading them in the bottom rack for a rinse & hold.  And there were a few people here who had the same dishwasher that thought the damn thing was wonderful.  I endured this POS from February 1986 until May 1987 when the GSD1200 PotScrubber came to reside.  Talk about a totally different experience--night and day!!!  the friend of mine that installed the new machine even commented the motors/pumps looked different and could see that the GE would probably perform much better--which it did. I'd love to know what all the different "a number of reasons ..." 

 

[Chetlaham]

@Combo

If you want you can have first dibs on this machine. I don't live in Ohio (local shipping only) so I am not sure how to get that to work out. Someone would know how to get shipping to work more than I do. Considering how good this machine is for its age (along with its color), IMHO its worth saving and adding to a collection. I saw several of these at the apartment complex on occasion being scrapped, and sadly everyone was horribly rusted and leaking. These did not last past 10 years.

 

[Chetlaham]

"a number of reasons ..."

I'll take a few guesses based on observation:

1. Smaller sump boot

2. More stream lined and compact pump housing.

I've seen both 1 and 2 gradually get smaller over 30 years. The difference between a 1970 original and a 2001 original has to be over a gallon of water.

3. Smaller sump opening. GE had the grate while Hotpoint had the bathtub drain like guard (if thats the correct way to describe it)

4. The GSD-1,200 had a filter in the back which was night and day. This filter capitulated GE DW from mediocre to stellar.

 

[gyrafoam]

For the sake of argument-----

I spent quite a few years in Florida and had these GE machines in more apartments than I care to remember. I also have an original Maytag WU600 downstairs that I used for a year or so before I moved from Atlanta. There is no comparison in my mind. The Maytag product performed circles around one of these old POS GE's.

So did most of the machines I used during this era. I found the KAids to be the best because of usable capacity and the fan forced drying. Followed by Maytag, and the high end models of Frigidaire, Kenmore and Whirlpool. The Whirlpool had good filtration, however, the silverware basket on the door did not allow for the best cleaning when full. Because of the door, one whole side of the flatware could not get sprayed with water. You had to pre wash the flatware when doing a large load or it wasn't going to get cleaned properly.

I can not think of one redeeming quality of these old GE's other than they provided a place to store dirty dishes out of the way.
I used all kinds of dishwashers back in the day and for performance these old GE's have to rank among the worst IMO.
The builders-grade Hotpoints of this era were just as bad. There were a gazillion of them in apartments around Atlanta back in the early part of the boom.

And I wouldn't give a wooden nickel for the advice Consumer Reports gives. Too many times I have found their "results" to be in direct conflict with my own personal experience. They just give advice that they do not have to back up. There was a joke circulated amongst salespeople years ago that "as soon as you see someone walk into your store with a copy of CU, you know you are dealing with an idiot".

Just 'sayin.

 

[Chetlaham]

@gyrafoam: I believe you. These had no filter, large sump great and large random holes in the wash arm. Carry over water was short of astronomical. Poor cleaning would not at all surprise me. And yes in my observations consumer reports is not always accurate.

 

[gyrafoam]

Hahahaha, yes, anyone who ever used one won't forget them!
They were so loud you couldn't operate them at home unless you left your Beltone on the night table.
I used to start mine on the way out the door for work.

 

[combo52]

Poorer Cleaning In HP Compaired To GE DWs

I think had more to do with rack and wash-arm design than anything else.

The pump and motor assembly in an 80s HP DW was identical [ and the same part # ] to the one in a GSD1200.

By the time GE introduced the GSD1200s and similar DWs with multi-orbit wash arms and food filtering it was a much better performing DW and used a lot less water.

Hi Chet, I have no interest in owning this GE DW that is for sale in Ohio. We have a TOL version of this DW in the museum already that was never used.

John L.

 

[Chetlaham]

anyone who ever used one won't forget them

LOL. My unforgettable machine is a 1998 BOL GE DW. The reduced water seriously made itself known.

 

[Chetlaham]

@Combo, you are passing up a good deal IMHO But if anyone wants it first they can have it. If not I guess I will need to negotiate with the seller on shipping.