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Hey guys, the trio arrived today, a 6 kg dryer, 7 kg washer and a 25 kg extractor, The washer is steam heated as well as the dryer, the extractor runs off three phase, everything runs off three phase but I’ll try to convert the dryer and the washing machine to single phase and replace the steam radiator at the back of the dryer with heating elements, I thought about potentially trying to reuse the old steam radiator and just have really hot water circulating in a loop the same way how hydronic heating works and have the dryer be heated that way without removing or modifying any original components

I want to hear what you guys think
 

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Thank you, it even came with a brand-new Door seal so that I’m very happy about it came from a little place in Bowral New South Wales, part of one of them religious covenant places although the badge or label is missing and this is probably slightly a older or newer version with just a knob instead of the large drum switch style knob but it does show the space for the large square metal plate with black text, so kind of makes me wonder
 

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Congrats!

You'll be taking in washing by this time next year! *LOL*

Need to add a mangle to your collection to make professional suite complete.
Unfortunately looking at the tiled floor and the window this room is no doubt an interior bedroom filled with junk, including the latest acquisitions, mother must be tearing her hair out.
 
Hey guys, the trio arrived today, a 6 kg dryer, 7 kg washer and a 25 kg extractor, The washer is steam heated as well as the dryer, the extractor runs off three phase, everything runs off three phase but I’ll try to convert the dryer and the washing machine to single phase and replace the steam radiator at the back of the dryer with heating elements, I thought about potentially trying to reuse the old steam radiator and just have really hot water circulating in a loop the same way how hydronic heating works and have the dryer be heated that way without removing or modifying any original components

I want to hear what you guys think
Steam has greater heating capacity than hot water. You see this in difference between convectors or radiators used for hydronic (hot water) heating versus steam. Those for former must be larger or more of them than when latter is used.

Dryer design will only accommodate radiators/convectors of certain size, this in turn will limit amount of heating power.

Generally steam heated dryers cannot reach same high temps as those heated with gas, thus are bit slower. Switching to hot water may mean slower drying than with steam.
 
Yeah, now I’m thinking about probably using some electric elements, the kind that are in a W shape if I have two that are 1500 W that are slightly offset from each other so it covers more of the Open space that the steam radiator used to occupy, I am gonna make sure there is a screen in front of the intake before the heating elements to make sure that there’s no Lint getting sucked in into the intake onto the elements

what do you guys suggest?
 

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Yeah, now I’m thinking about probably using some electric elements, the kind that are in a W shape if I have two that are 1500 W that are slightly offset from each other so it covers more of the Open space that the steam radiator used to occupy, I am gonna make sure there is a screen in front of the intake before the heating elements to make sure that there’s no Lint getting sucked in into the intake onto the elements

what do you guys suggest?
Am no expert but do not believe immersion heating elements (shown in picture) can be swapped in as replacement for convector type.

Will give you that convectors usually are nothing more than one or series of tubes surrounded by fins, but that's the thing isn't it? Fins are there to create and or enhance airflow over coils. Just having naked coils alone may not produce same effect.
 
If you want to go with electric heat, I would build a small electrically heated boiler with the correct amount of heating capacity to match the load of the dryer.

Keith
Commercial/industrial laundries that use steam to heat various appliances (washers, dryers, mangles, hand irons...) usually have two lines. One is incoming steam, the other is to drain away condensate (what forms when steam cools and condenses back to water after giving up heat). That condensate is returned to boiler as water which maintains water level. If this did not happen boiler would constantly require filling with fresh water supplied from taps or other sources. This is not a good thing as fresh water contains lots of oxygen which promotes corrosion inside boiler and piping. OTOH water that is heated has oxygen driven off to various levels. This is why condensate is preferred water source in whole or part.

There is also a valve or something to prevent steam from going down condensate piping or line, but rather remain where it belongs. This is same system used with two pipe steam heating systems.

That condensate has to go somewhere, and said appliances will produce water as steam cools. Dumping it down drains is not only wasteful but leads to issues mentioned above.

Early on "steam laundries" were just that, steam power (generated from boilers) powered machinery (via systems of belts and pulleys), and or was used to generate electricity. Waste steam was used to for heating purposes (ironers, mangles, washing machines, dryers, irons...) after being cleansed of oil, then usually discarded. This more or less is often principle behind district steam heating. Steam used to create electricity via generators is then distributed to an area for heating purposes.

While technology has advanced many laundries still have boilers to produce steam for washers, ironers and so on. This often is largely due to lower cost of natural gas (replacing coal) to heat water into steam as opposed to electricity.

One reason many laundromats (at least in USA) don't use electric to heat water is cost. Other reason going back one or almost two centuries local codes require anyone operating boilers rated above a certain PSI must be licensed/certified which means passing exams and so forth. Steam ships, steam locomotives, boilers in large buildings, boilers in schools, wherever a heating plant had boilers over that number, there you are. Having to hire and keep such boiler trained and certified men on staff is just not a cost many laundromats were or are willing to undertake.

Reason for this is simple: steam boilers if not properly operated and maintained can (and sadly often have) exploded.



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Far as many areas of Europe are concerned even when you see radiators or convectors, it's all hydronic (hot water) heating. Steam in some areas is explicitly banned.

Large or whatever commercial/industrial laundries in USA differ from say those in Europe when it comes to heating wash water.

In USA more often than not hot water is delivered from taps at temps ranging from 140F to 180F. Using multiple wash cycles means by second wash there isn't much dilution from cold laundry thus temps don't drop that much. If necessary say for places processing healthcare laundry machines can be fitted with steam heating to take water up to necessary temp.

Across pond it's usually normal only to heat water far as 140F then use steam (or other means) to heat water up to higher temp if necessary. This is often done in lieu of using multiple wash baths. Rather like domestic European washing machines that start with tap cold or cool water, then heat up to desired temp. Either way this results in longer wash cycles as it takes time for injected steam to bring one to three gallons of water per pound of wash up to temp.

Where a laundry can have natural gas it's usually preferred for at least dryers because of higher temps reached and thus faster cycle times. Same also can apply to ironers where gas heated versions are preferred over steam due to things like higher temps and faster heat recovery times.
 
If you want to go with electric heat, I would build a small electrically heated boiler with the correct amount of heating capacity to match the load of the dryer.

Keith
Unfortunately, I probably won’t be able to do that, as granted it’s my mum‘s house, and personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable with something that has high-pressure steam running at 150 psi,as that’s what the rear radiator is rated for plus apparently it’s weirdly rated, it’s rated for steam in horsepower

I did have a steam generator that ran off kerosene, but it was so hard thing wouldn’t stay lit and that was a real nuisance to even try to get working plus from the age of it, asbestos galore
I got a photo of the heat exchanger both with translation and original if anybody does speak German,

And by the looks of it it probably either outputs about 7-7.5 kW of heat probably at maximum efficiency, or put out 98 kW of heat if you use boiler horsepower
 

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Am no expert but do not believe immersion heating elements (shown in picture) can be swapped in as replacement for convector type.

Will give you that convectors usually are nothing more than one or series of tubes surrounded by fins, but that's the thing isn't it? Fins are there to create and or enhance airflow over coils. Just having naked coils alone may not produce same effect.
Oh, as far as I knew that was a convection style heating element, considering its fins surrounding the element, and the listing does say it is for air use(heating air) although I probably might actually go to a heating element manufacture company and ask them what is the best course of action considering they would have all the ins and outs and they would have experience with heating things
 
Hi Adam , what a find , that trio must have seen some laundry through them .

Look forward to seeing them working for you .
Thank you Chester, yeah I ended up getting probably a small wood of lint that’s around 12 inches by at least 12 inches wide and about an inch thick, granted that was on the top of the motor/blower shelf where the ducting and the intake for the blower is
 
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