And don't even get me started about when used as intended!
When did Maytag start to go bad?
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phillymatt53
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That is because of widespread teachings, continuous mental conditioning, all resulting in the "he said, so it must be right" syndrome.
Culture is manipulated, programmed.
phillymatt53
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It's true that humidity is bad for electronics in the fact that it deteriorates, and eventually corrodes circuit boards and sensitive metal parts.
Electolytic capacitors lifespans are shortened by excessive heat.
And if any cost-cutting is done by installing marginal parts, such as resistors that are forced to handle more current than they're rated for, well, that's another no-no.
I've seen it all already in consumer products.
whirlpool862
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Not as good as the Whirlpool direct drive (including Maytag branded ones) or the dependable care, but still far better than the Neptune.View attachment 317804
- In 2003 these Atlantis beauties replaced a pair of late 70s GEs (GEs came with the house- I knew their age because weirdly this was the same pair my parents had). Atlantis washer was highly rated by Consumer Reports at the time. Washer lid switch failed in 2013. The clutch (?) failed in 2018 leading to hasta la vista for both. I remember that loads would get unbalanced occasionally. Maytag Commercial set replaced them -I think better washer performance (not that it’s hit any Consumer Reports lists).
Btw more Maytag personal history - I bought a Maytag side by side fridge and dishwasher in ‘93. The fridge was the smallest side by side I could find (needed for old house kitchen at the time). Delivery was delayed by a flood at the factory. It arrived with the doors misaligned. The freezer failed about 6 months out of warranty - called Maytag and they honored it. It lasted until 2013, in service as basement backup for about 8 years. The dishwasher was great although sometimes I had to bang the door closed to get it to start. ( also Consumers Reports recommendation).
phillymatt53
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I don't give Consumer Reports any credit these days.View attachment 317804
- In 2003 these Atlantis beauties replaced a pair of late 70s GEs (GEs came with the house- I knew their age because weirdly this was the same pair my parents had). Atlantis washer was highly rated by Consumer Reports at the time. Washer lid switch failed in 2013. The clutch (?) failed in 2018 leading to hasta la vista for both. I remember that loads would get unbalanced occasionally. Maytag Commercial set replaced them -I think better washer performance (not that it’s hit any Consumer Reports lists
Btw more Maytag personal history - I bought a Maytag side by side fridge and dishwasher in ‘93. The fridge was the smallest side by side I could find (needed for old house kitchen at the time). Delivery was delayed by a flood at the factory. It arrived with the doors misaligned. The freezer failed about 6 months out of warranty - called Maytag and they honored it. It lasted until 2013, in service as basement backup for about 8 years. The dishwasher was great although sometimes I had to bang the door closed to get it to start. ( also Consumers Reports recommendation).
Mind you, they "used to" be reliable, honest sources.
In fact, most reviewers these days are bought by manufacturers, kickbacks, so they can spew their biased lies in order to cover the manufacturers false claims of quality.
Same goes for any of those "reviews sites" - loaded with fake consumers touting how wonderful a product or service is.
Jerome, call me unapologetically shameless but this is about the most complicated I am willing to go with a top load washer in my laundry room. Compared to what is out there, this design is even simpler than most BOL machines. Despite the busy fascia, the push buttons are merely a wash and rinse temperature matrix. The timer is EM, metal, and a single cycle 62 or 66 MINUTE continuous advance timer. No nonsense.
Cycle Sequence
Some notes: The "Fabric Switch" listed in the wiring diagram is actually the "Specials Switch" on the control panel, and the "Cycle SW 1" and "Cycle SW 2" are "Fabric" and "Cycle" respectively on the control panel. The motor run cap would be about 100-120uF on 120 volt models and 30-40uF on 240 volt models. The 60 listing was just a generic filler. The control panel push button labeling may need some re-arraignment and I am thinking about changing some names to things like denims and towels.
Depending on the fill valve flow rate, the Fill and Soak periods may need to be changed to 8 minutes vs the current 7 minutes so the allocated fill time at the start of fascia marking is 6 minutes instead of 5. Taking the timer from a 62 minute full advance to a 66 minute full advance.
But it gets the point across. All sprays are 1 minute, the first one is cold only.
I still don't get why people need wifi to do their laundry. To me, that's just lazy stupid.
Very well said! Maytag of today isn't tough. Period.
Fancy and stylish doesn't equal clean clothes.
phillymatt53
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It's an ingredient that contributes to the...... Dumbing Down Of Society.
I wish I could say it's getting better, but it's only getting worse by the minute.
I think when Maytag switched to the orbital mechanism from the helical, long stroke system is when I first observed them not performing as well. Good rollover of items like jeans and sheets was always a Maytag deficiency and the orbital action only made it worse. When they later added a dual action agitator it helped quite a bit. Maybe that's why they never let their customer watch the wash action, even in their ill-fated Neptune front-loaders.
Technically, the long-stroke transmission is known as pitman. Both are helical drive.
People from a young age are conditioned to follow and believe a leader, no matter what. On one hand people are taught their old appliances are bad, wasteful ugly ect on the other how great and progressive new appliances are.
If everyone was like me there would've been an epidemic of people asking for tech sheets and bring screw drivers to the sales for refusing to buy anything with more than an ATC board.
This is what I think set Maytag back, along with the short wash-time. People should've acknowledge what the design was, but demanded a better agitator.
There is member on here who put a 50Hz pulley on their machine along with a load sense agitator in a Pitman which dramatically improved the performance of their machine. The machine did appear to struggle with the straight fin agitator and 50Hz pulley being present at the same time.
In any case, a larger motor like a 3/4 or 1HP would ideally complement the 50Hz pulley. There is space for a larger motor on a DC. The combo of the 3 would've rivaled Whirlpool and its what people like me would've asked from Maytag.
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Here is that video:
phillymatt53
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Exactly!
I've known for a LONG time how society's been "conditioned", controlled, to follow the set of "rules" implanted into their brains since they were toddlers.
We've all been exposed to that, and even I, as a teenager, was prone to believing what I was "supposed" to do, to say, what not to do, etc.
These days, the parents are passing that control on to their kids.
I woke up in my early 20s, and decided that I wasn't going to be a cookie-cutter model of that BS,
Some may call me a rebel, among other choice names.
And I know that living in a world of programmed human "robots" isn't easy.
As for advertizing products - Glorifying something today is far beyond what marketing a product was decades ago.
Back then, features, styling, performance, was all realistic, polite, honest and truthful.
And what a customer wanted and a manufacturer provided.
Because Back THEN, brand names lived up to their slogens, cared about their reputations.
phillymatt53
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That "Hot Rod" mod is slightly, a tad faster than my stock Maytag.
I don't have a problem with the helical trans, it has good rollover, and I don't wanna mess with success and durability that it already has proven for its 40 years.
But my portable Kenmore/WP DD has a whiplash agitation fast little sucker and the dual action agitator.
Exactly!
I've known for a LONG time how society's been "conditioned", controlled, to follow the set of "rules" implanted into their brains since they were toddlers.
We've all been exposed to that, and even I, as a teenager, was prone to believing what I was "supposed" to do, to say, what not to do, etc.
These days, the parents are passing that control on to their kids.
I woke up in my early 20s, and decided that I wasn't going to be a cookie-cutter model of that BS,
Some may call me a rebel, among other choice names.
And I know that living in a world of programmed human "robots" isn't easy.
As for advertizing products - Glorifying something today is far beyond what marketing a product was decades ago.
Back then, features, styling, performance, was all realistic, polite, honest and truthful.
And what a customer wanted and a manufacturer provided.
Because Back THEN, brand names lived up to their slogens, cared about their reputations.
And to add the final ingredient to the recipe: Ignorance. Think about all the smart kids that were bullied in school. Thank how society views self education as impersonation of professionals or narcissism. Think of the 90s where they were even afraid to even show a dishwasher without a cabinet around it. Does society really see knowledge as a good thing when it is out in the open, unmasked?
People are starving for knowledge, subtlety reminded they lack it, taught to doubt themselves in any independent endeavor, and then forced to conclude their only salvation is listening to an accredited authority figure. Anyone else? A clown with an agenda.
The fact that you broke free of this I applaud you. It is perhaps life's greatest accomplishment, one that you alone achieved.
I like the way you think!
Though for some folks, primarily those that get their clothes dirty and greasy, it may not be enough. That is where I think the load sense agitator comes in. The 50Hz pulley increases the OPMs per minute complimenting it, and the higher spin speeds saves energy in drying.
Given the technology today, I think the existing dependable care design with the orbital transmission could be sightly improved to the point where the machine has both direct drive performance and the ability to last 60 years. It can be done, and one of my greatest wishes.
I'd love to see someone put the dependable care back on the market with immense longevity and quality control factored in.
My soup'd up Maytag with a 3 phase DC motor installed and motor controller, all controlled by the Maytag's original timer lol...
phillymatt53
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Thanks Chet for those kind words.And to add the final ingredient to the recipe: Ignorance. Think about all the smart kids that were bullied in school. Thank how society views self education as impersonation of professionals or narcissism. Think of the 90s where they were even afraid to even show a dishwasher without a cabinet around it. Does society really see knowledge as a good thing when it is out in the open, unmasked?
People are starving for knowledge, subtlety reminded they lack it, taught to doubt themselves in any independent endeavor, and then forced to conclude their only salvation is listening to an accredited authority figure. Anyone else? A clown with an agenda.
The fact that you broke free of this I applaud you. It is perhaps life's greatest accomplishment, one that you alone achieved.
Realisticlly, I'm just a human, perhaps with important and independent standards that I maintain, and an always eager mind that I don't allow to sway into the Twilight Zone of ignorance.
I do my part to share what I've learned to the younger ones if I see fit.
In hopes that they'll become capable of leading a good life as they grow older.
Robert, what is the story behind that agitator? Is it original? I think a ramp agitator would compliment a Maytag perfectly. Especially one with a timed fill. I know John put one in a DC.
No that agitator is from a 1961 Easy Automatic Washer. I installed it by cutting a spare Easy agitator shaft down to a proper size to fit and used a shaft coupling. I designed this machine to spin at 1050rpm.
The inside...
Neat, does this spin drain? It looks like you went with an electric drain pump. Do you have a thread for that build? I'm curious how this is all implemented.
I love the big motor btw!
I think a ramp agitator is best for a timed fill machine. That way if someone advanced the machine to agitate while the tub was empty or hasn't finished filling it would cause the least amount of damage. The ramp agitator is also gentle while being able to turn over even denims.
phillymatt53
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SACRILEGE !!!!
Electronics control in a poor Maytag!
The nerve!
I view it like this: research and development.
Finding the right speed for the agitator so to select the right pulley latter on, showing that the machine can indeed handle a faster spin, and that a larger motor can fit inside the machine. VFDs have their place in the lab I think. Once optimal speeds are obtained they can then be used to engineer analog and relay controls with across the line motors. I'm betting at least one manufacturer back in the day stuck a variable speed DC motor in a prototype to figure out what wash and spin speeds to design build targets around.
I for one want to see a ramp agitator optimally engineered into a dependable care.
Welcome!
Trust me, your knowledge isn't going unnoticed here, and your respect for independent thinking is being greatly appreciated.
I've learned to take nothing for granted.
It still spin drains although the electric pump can't keep up with the factory mechanical one.
https://automaticwasher.org/threads...ouping-up-a-1970s-helical-drive-maytag.79805/
I hate to ask as it will confirm my suspicions, but is the pump a GE model T Italian pump?
Those pumps SUCKED! The sound gives it away.Other than that I like what I'm seeing.
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