phillymatt53
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Everything with electronics is prone to failure, that's a fact.
It gave me employment for decades.
Even home computers.
Even that spaceship that the astronaut said: "Houston, we have a problem!"
When did Maytag start to go bad?
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It gave me employment for decades.
Even home computers.
Even that spaceship that the astronaut said: "Houston, we have a problem!"
And add to the fact that Electrolytic capacitors literally have a shelf life. So the moment you purchase anything electronic its the equivalent of purchasing a fruit or vegetable. It will go bad just sitting there no matter how pretty it looks.
realvanman
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Exactly. It was never stated that computers and the Internet and this forum shouldn't be electronic. lol. It's the over "elecronification" of everything, even where it isn't necessary or beneficial, that's the problem. A computer? Sure, that can be electronic. A washing machine? There's no reason for it.
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phillymatt53
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Yes indeed, Electrolytic caps are one weak and vulnerable component in almost every product that uses them.
Does anybody here remember back about 2 decades, when a widespread epidemic of electronic failures in products started happening?
This caused many electronic devices to break down or act poorly.
I was SO busy at the shop repairing tv sets, vcr's, cd/dvd players, radios, stereo equip, etc.
It didn't matter what brand it was either.
A good friend of mine runs a computer repair shop and he was pulling his hair out because of the incoming flood of defective computers, monitors, laptops, etc.
I even heard that some military equipment was also affected by this.
The reason behind all this was because a lot of manufacturers bought Electrolytic capacitors from an unaware chinese vendor who sold bad caps to them.
CapXon? among other brands, were some of the critters failing.
Apparently these capacitors were missing a critical ingredient that stabilizes the electrolylite inside the caps that counteracts hydrogen gas buildup whenever any voltage was applied to them.
Additionally, any external heat near the caps radiated from nearby parts like power transistors, resistors, would speed up the cap failure.
The formula used in them was counterfeit, stolen from another company and missing that critical additive.
The tops of the caps were popping off from the internal pressure build-up, some even leaked their electrolyte fluid on the circuit boards, making a real mess of things.
Some caps merely shorted out, others would lose their rated value, screwing up operation of a product.
This started happening in the early 2000's, and products started failing within a few years, up to about 2005 or so.
I'm not quite sure of the actual timeframe.
And around that time, I think Volvo, perhaps others, autos started having issues with their electronic throttle control modules, causing rapid acceleration and loss of control.
This caused deaths from cars plowing into things. lawsuits, etc. - sad, but true.
The media didn't provide much info on this, strangely.
So the bad caps syndrome was hushed-up for the most part.
I caught a picture of a damaged throttle control module, and it was clear that several capacitors were bulging and leaking inside.
So all you guys here, if you can properly determine if a bad cap is in something you're working on, great.
If not visible leakage or bulging, then a cap-checker meter is required to diagnose the problem.
Welcome to the world of electronics, with all its wonderful gadgets!
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phillymatt53
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And like I've stated a million times, I love my old RELIABLE 1985 Maytag, with it's mechanical timer and real switches!
To be very honest and blunt this would be my ideal washing machine:
If everyone was like me this specific model would have already sold in the millions.
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Too many people still believe that high tech is better when this isn't the case.
Computers aren't the issue. It's the fact that electronics and humidity don't mix, especially with washers, dryers, dishwashers, and other appliances.
Shame on him! At least they were better when the direct drives were around!
And don't even get me started about when used as intended!
phillymatt53
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That is because of widespread teachings, continuous mental conditioning, all resulting in the "he said, so it must be right" syndrome.
Culture is manipulated, programmed.
phillymatt53
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It's true that humidity is bad for electronics in the fact that it deteriorates, and eventually corrodes circuit boards and sensitive metal parts.
Electolytic capacitors lifespans are shortened by excessive heat.
And if any cost-cutting is done by installing marginal parts, such as resistors that are forced to handle more current than they're rated for, well, that's another no-no.
I've seen it all already in consumer products.
whirlpool862
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Not as good as the Whirlpool direct drive (including Maytag branded ones) or the dependable care, but still far better than the Neptune.View attachment 317804
- In 2003 these Atlantis beauties replaced a pair of late 70s GEs (GEs came with the house- I knew their age because weirdly this was the same pair my parents had). Atlantis washer was highly rated by Consumer Reports at the time. Washer lid switch failed in 2013. The clutch (?) failed in 2018 leading to hasta la vista for both. I remember that loads would get unbalanced occasionally. Maytag Commercial set replaced them -I think better washer performance (not that it’s hit any Consumer Reports lists).
Btw more Maytag personal history - I bought a Maytag side by side fridge and dishwasher in ‘93. The fridge was the smallest side by side I could find (needed for old house kitchen at the time). Delivery was delayed by a flood at the factory. It arrived with the doors misaligned. The freezer failed about 6 months out of warranty - called Maytag and they honored it. It lasted until 2013, in service as basement backup for about 8 years. The dishwasher was great although sometimes I had to bang the door closed to get it to start. ( also Consumers Reports recommendation).
phillymatt53
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I don't give Consumer Reports any credit these days.View attachment 317804
- In 2003 these Atlantis beauties replaced a pair of late 70s GEs (GEs came with the house- I knew their age because weirdly this was the same pair my parents had). Atlantis washer was highly rated by Consumer Reports at the time. Washer lid switch failed in 2013. The clutch (?) failed in 2018 leading to hasta la vista for both. I remember that loads would get unbalanced occasionally. Maytag Commercial set replaced them -I think better washer performance (not that it’s hit any Consumer Reports lists
Btw more Maytag personal history - I bought a Maytag side by side fridge and dishwasher in ‘93. The fridge was the smallest side by side I could find (needed for old house kitchen at the time). Delivery was delayed by a flood at the factory. It arrived with the doors misaligned. The freezer failed about 6 months out of warranty - called Maytag and they honored it. It lasted until 2013, in service as basement backup for about 8 years. The dishwasher was great although sometimes I had to bang the door closed to get it to start. ( also Consumers Reports recommendation).
Mind you, they "used to" be reliable, honest sources.
In fact, most reviewers these days are bought by manufacturers, kickbacks, so they can spew their biased lies in order to cover the manufacturers false claims of quality.
Same goes for any of those "reviews sites" - loaded with fake consumers touting how wonderful a product or service is.
