1970 Buick Electra 225 Limited

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Thinking back on it, doing Driver Training at the university was a great decision. Transportation was an issue, because it was a half hour away from home. But it was only once a week for eight weeks (last two weeks optional). Not surprisingly, most of the kids in the program were from a nearby high school, I was the only one who came from a longer distance to take the course.

The two key features were:

1. learning to drive in the dark. It was March-April, Daylight Time didn't start until late April, and the course didn't start until 7 pm, so all but the last two (manual transmission) sessions started in the dark or at dusk, and were two hours long. I was allowed to take the written test for a Learner's Permit after having started the behind-the-wheel course, and driving in daylight away from the DMV with my new permit, and Dad in the front seat, was so ridiculously easy, it was a joke (until then, all my time behind the wheel had been in the dark).

2. learning to drive an oversized Electra 225 made any smaller car, including our family station wagon, seem simple to handle.

The other niceties were having a young teacher who was in training to be a Driver's Ed teacher, and the concentrated class time: one hour behind the wheel each week. The other kid in my car missed one week (illness) and the instructor and I simply drove for two full hours just to get more training (we used the entire 7-9 pm time slot). I also remember toward the end that our instructor would let us turn on the radio while driving!! Yeah baby.

The icing on the cake was learning the manual transmission in the optional two extra sessions (which I opted to take). Yay. The other kid in my car, who missed two hours due to being ill one week, signed on for the extra two sessions, which allowed him to make up the hour he was missing. Very course courses included manual transmission training, and I assume most who drive manuals learned from relatives or friends after licensure.

The certificate of completion was issued to me after completing the six required hours, even though I was continuing for two more weeks for the manual lessons, and by then I had accumulated the required number of hours practicing with my parents (might have been 20-25 hours in those days, now it's 50 hours). Today, a teen in California would have a six month waiting period between issuance of the learner's permit and eligibility to take the licensing test.

But in those days, you were eligible to take the driving test as long as you had completed Driver Training (check) and the required 20-25 hours practice time with parents (check). There was no minimum wait time of six months in permit status before taking/passing the behind-the-wheel exam, as long as one was 16 years old, so I took and passed the exam while still in the final two weeks of Driver Training (but having passed the core six hour course).
 
Compared to the old days when it was a snap to get your license here now they have some sort of graduated licensing. You start with your beginners as usual which means always must have a licensed adult in the vehicle. Then I think you go to another level but not driving at night and zero tolerance for alcohol or something, can't quite remember and I'm a little too lazy to look it up. After that you get your standard license.
 
CA started the current graduated license program c.1997. You may apply for a learner permit at 15 1/2. After completing the both Driver Training and Driver Ed, and after you have had the permit for a minimum of six months (by which time you are at least 16 years old), you may take the Driving Test and receive a Provisional License. The restrictions are:

1. no one under 21 allowed in the car with you, except for siblings, unless accompanied by a passenger 25 years of age or older. (this eliminates "entertaining in one's car").

2. no driving allowed between 11 pm and 5 am, with exceptions permitted for going to/from work.

The only restriction I remember on my first CA license at age 16 was that it expired in two years and had to be renewed, plus I had to take another written test as part of renewal. Because I had to apply for renewal before my 18th birthday, I was still a minor and had to bring my father to the DMV to co-sign the renewal application.

Because I have a February birthday, I did this during Xmas vacation (when both dad and I were free) senior year of high school. I remember going because I ran into several older acquaintances from my high school who must have been home from college and presumably renewing too, and I also ran into a kid who had been my best friend in elementary school and then moved away during middle school (but was back in San Diego for high school). Hadn't seen him in six years!
 
Dealer Guides

Gyrafoam, yet more junk I used to own were the dealer guides for Cadillac. The latest one I had was for 1976. Even then if you wanted to order say 1959 Seminole Red paint, white leather, trimmed in claret piping and black carpets, not a problem! Yet another barge of mine, a 1966 Fleetwood Brougham, was gold with black leather and black vinyl top. The leather was getting a bit ratty, so I redid the interior in gray Bedford cord wool. Actually was an option for that car. If Milady wanted a chauffeured town sedan the car could be ordered with a black leather front seat and a grey wool broadcloth rear seats. I think out of all the beasts I've owned, that was my favorite. Where else could you get footrests and walnut tea tables?
 
Back in the '60s it was often possible to order special combinations from car manufacturers that weren't even listed in the order books. The most famous of these programs was Chevy's "COPO". I can't remember what the acronym stood for, but basically if you wanted something that was entirely possible to build but not catalogued, you went to your dealer and asked very nicely. He'd then put in a request to Chevy, and they'd reply if they would build it, and how much it would cost. From what I hear they weren't cheap, so dealers usually did their best to convince customers to stick to stock options. One example of COPO is documented non-Corvette cars built after '57 with the famous Rochester fuel injection. This was introduced in '57 to great fanfare as Chevy rated the TOL 283 small block at 283 hp, or one hp per cubic inch, which was unheard of then for a non-exotic engine. You could order the "fuelie" in virtually any Chevy that year. In '58 they brought out the first 348 big block V8, which was never offered in the Corvette. However, since the TOL 348 and its offspring the 409 made more power than the fuelie, fuel injection was dropped except in the 'Vette. A very few customers wanted the small block fuelie in a sedan, though, and Chevy obliged them. These cars are now worth a lot of money, needless to say.

Another peculiar example of a very custom order came to light a couple of year ago. It was a one-family-from-new '66 Plymouth Satellite four door sedan with the 426 hemi engine. This was the first year for the famous street hemi, and Chrysler didn't even bother to list an idle speed for the car during a cold-weather start, as the engine was intended only for high performance. In fact Chrysler didn't want to sell hemis for anything other than drag racing or NASCAR, but had to offer it to the public to be allowed to race it. As a result it was a very expensive option and limited to Satellite and Dodge Coronet two door and convertible cars. The documented story behind the four door Satellite is that the original owner was an experienced racer of some sort who liked Chryslers. He bought the car for his own daily use, and needed a four door as he had elderly parents who frequently rode with him! Initially the dealer and Chrysler said they wouldn't build it, but then he told them that rather than buy the two door he'd go order a big-block Chevelle, so they agreed to build it for him.
 
Thats funny. The '66 Brougham is one of my all time favorites. They still used real wood on the interior trim and they really were elegant. The picnic tables added to the elegance. The steering was also greatly improved over the earlier models. After '66 the big GM's became true "finger and toe" cars and in spite of their size were very easy to steer. The old power-steering really kept you busy trying to stay between the lines!

I recall the Seventy-Five Limo's (with the partition window) with a leather front seat and cloth to the rear. The ones I was used to driving were the Seventy-Five 9 Pax. sedans (no partition) so the same material was used front and rear. The '69/'70's had a high roofline and made it really easy to get in and out of especially from the back seat which could be a problem for the elderly. Even the doors extended quite a bit into the roofline. After that they had to be custom ordered with a "high-top".

It was really sad when Cadillac stopped production of the Seventy-Five Series. They sure were nice.

The worst thing that ever happened to the Seventy-Five series was the switch from a nice brocade type fabric to that crushed velour and at the same time, they roof line got lower.
People really did struggle to get out then. Like being stuck to velcro. Women would try to slide out and their dresses would ride up to see the beaver. Very embarassing for them, I'm sure.
 
Here's a '67 Fleetwood Seventy-Five Series Limousine displaying to good advantage the partition, jumpseats, and leather front seat and cloth rear seats.

Poor old thing. I hope it goes to a good home. The seller wants $18K! Somebody needs to shake him ----and wake him up from that dream!

 
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Weird...... Oh Robert,my friend

Strange things are happening to me (not sure about anyone else)in this thread. Post #420221 posted by Gyrafoam says "click here to go to Spankomatic link" Should be Gyrafoam's link. Post #420228 and #420229 the photos I posted are not showing. I was able to see them before,but not now. Others I guess can see them. I have Windows Vista and AOL if that helps. I know you have been working on the system. Thanks for ALL you do!

Jim
 
How do you know it has a/c?

1. We had this same car when I was 3. I was able to figure out then how to pull off that platic tube so I go all the cold air.
2.1955 Cadillacs have intake vents near the back rear window on each side of the car.
3.See photo

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All seems o.k. now. I can see the photos again and Gyrafoams link seems correct. Wow,what great tech service here on Automaticwasher.org.
 
Photos are visible to me. That's a nice '55, I love the color. Petek, if you didn't get Spankomatic's comments, look at two things in the photo of the '55: firstly you can see a clear plastic tube just inboard of the corner of the rear window, and secondly you can also see a small bump on the rear fender top, right in front of the front corner of the trunklid. These signify that the car has a trunk-mounted evaporator, which pulls air from both the interior of the car and those little vents on the fenders. After being cooled the air is blown through the two plastic tubes into the headliner, where it's distributed through registers above each door. This was a great way to handle things when a/c was rare, as it minimized the changes required to the engine compartment and dash. After '56 GM went on and standardized dash mounted a/c, which was cheaper and didn't steal trunk space.

As pretty as that '55 is, I really prefer the '67. So very cool and elegant! I don't know why it wouldn't be worth $18K in such nice condition, though I don't pretend to follow values.

Seeing the '67 reminded me of a story a buddy of mine told me. When he was a boy the family of a playmate bought a one year old Cutlass four door hardtop from the local Oldsmobile dealer. According to my friend, it had one of the most elegant interiors he'd ever laid eyes on, nothing like most Cutlasses. Power everything and some really classy upholstery and carpet. The story that came with the car was that it had been the dealer's wife's personal car, ordered especially for her. She wasn't satisfied with Oldsmobile's interior choices that year, so her husband had managed to get Olds to build it with upholstery normally reserved for Cadillacs. I should add that my friend is a very good interior designer and has a real eye for fabrics, so I tend to believe him when he says it was really special.

One thing people tend to forget these days when all cars with any pretense to luxury have leather interiors (or to be honest vinyl interiors with leather panels under your tail) is that traditionally high end cloth was considered more luxurious. This is why traditional limos always had hard wearing leather in front for the chauffer, and cloth in the rear.
 
ah I can see them now. Neat.

I remember seeing that somewhere about the fancier fabric interiors costing more than leather. As well fabric interiors are just more comfortable than leather imho.. not too hot in summer and definitely better in freezing winter for that initial sit down.
 
I'm thinking the price for that '67 is too high because it isn't likely to be used as a formal limousine. Most people who buy these kool old vintage machines want to drive them themselves and don't care to be cut off from the people in the back seat and/or may be tall and need to adjust the front-seat as far back as they can-----very restricted rear-movement on the formal. So the Sedan tends to draw a higher price than the Formal. Even then, I'm thinking about $12K is it. Without a recent and complete restoration all those seals, and rubber parts are needing replacement about now, so that is a considerable expense. Motor mounts on these were always a problem and all that front end stuff would need replacing. Exhaust should be stainless steel. Its all expensive.

Also, back in the day, most people traded after about 35K miles. Cars did not normally make it to 100K miles like they do today. At 43K miles this car is considered past it's prime based on how it was viewed back in '67. A seasoned collector will keep that in mind.
 
No doubt you're right about the Caddy motor mounts, as the ad says they've just been replaced. Back before Cadillac was stupid enough to install iron heads on an aluminum block they made pretty good engines - I've always heard good things about the 429-472-502 engines. I'd suspect the collector who buys this is either someone with a Cadillac collection who just thinks it's cool, or someone with a particular thing for limos. Either way, it's gonna need a big garage!

Back in the mid '70s when I began driving we still had mostly '60s cars. My dad would have been apoplectic at the thought of trading in a 35,000 mile car, but then again he normally didn't buy new cars anyway. Mostly we had Fords and Citroens. I don't recall how many miles the last Ford (a '68 sedan) went, but I do know it had an engine along the way. The Citroens I remember better. I much preferred to drive them because the power steering and brakes were both light years better than anything Ford did at the time - Citroen invented rack and pinion power steering. Our '69 ID19 went 170,000 or so miles before mom replaced it with an '83 Peugeot 505, which coincidentally went just about the same distance. My '70 DS21 went about 150,000, but then a fair amount of that mileage was with a heavy footed university student at the wheel. It had the TOL Pallas interior, as plush as anything Cadillac ever made, and the manual gearbox. It was far from a rocket off a stoplight, but once to speed it would eat up a central Texas FM (farm-to-market) road at 80 mph in luxury and comfort while still returning 20+ mpg. I thought of it yesterday after hitting a particularly nasty stretch of broken pavement here in LA - the DS21 would have simply ignored it.

One of the biggest reasons for cars lasting longer now is that lubricants have improved so much. Better manufacturing tolerances have helped as well, but ultimately I don't think so many modern cars will be good collectibles as the electronics will become unmaintainable when the cars are really old.
 

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