cfz2882
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got this several years ago,never used,about to install and see how it does.Plastic cheapie,it is nice and simple with no apparent electronics.Made in Korea PSC motor on classic GE mixed flow pump 
2005 GE Nautilus dishwasher
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Do you have the model #? These machines are very simple and easy to use, but if your model doesn't have a filter be prepared for particles. These were not GE strong point dishwashers durability wise- you may have drain valve leaking with age. There is one major pro however- the main wash is between 30 and 55 minutes long, 1.3-1.5 gallon water charge and the heater typically runs the whole cycle. That combination produces very hot water and is great for removing baked on and dried on soils. With good detergent the mainwash will scrub very well- the original concept behind the Potscrubber.
Post pics and the tech sheet if you can- these are really fun machines to enjoy.
BTW I'm jealous- I'd love one of these new in box just to toy with.
Post pics and the tech sheet if you can- these are really fun machines to enjoy.
BTW I'm jealous- I'd love one of these new in box just to toy with.
cfz2882
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GSD2200G02WW.Single wash arm with pop-up.Found the tech sheet-no electronics,pure EM...
Whoa!
You got the good cycle model. Pure EM, switch logic, Hot Start, long main wash and extra water change outs. 9.2 gallons of water on Heavy, extra 3.4 for the hot start- 12.6 gallons total- which rivals a vintage Potscrubber. This machine has the latter revision sump boot and pump body cutting down water carry over by half. Induction motor which is much quieter and much more efficient than the old 1992-1999 shaded pole pumps. Piranha soft food disposer that won't break off like the old still spring ones.
https://www.geappliances.com/appliance/GE-Built-In-Dishwasher-GSD2200GWW
Minus the filter this machine with good detergent will out clean most modern stuff. This is the modern version of the original Potscrubber, the time is simply built into the cycle vs being extended with a thermostat and bi-metal switch. Why do I envy you LOL!
You got the good cycle model. Pure EM, switch logic, Hot Start, long main wash and extra water change outs. 9.2 gallons of water on Heavy, extra 3.4 for the hot start- 12.6 gallons total- which rivals a vintage Potscrubber. This machine has the latter revision sump boot and pump body cutting down water carry over by half. Induction motor which is much quieter and much more efficient than the old 1992-1999 shaded pole pumps. Piranha soft food disposer that won't break off like the old still spring ones.
https://www.geappliances.com/appliance/GE-Built-In-Dishwasher-GSD2200GWW
Minus the filter this machine with good detergent will out clean most modern stuff. This is the modern version of the original Potscrubber, the time is simply built into the cycle vs being extended with a thermostat and bi-metal switch. Why do I envy you LOL!
cfz2882
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still in production?
By that link,looks like this model is still avalible? and almost unchanged from my 2005 example
By that link,looks like this model is still avalible? and almost unchanged from my 2005 example
Sadly, I regret to say it is not in production.
Around 2007/2008 GE began phasing in their self cleaning fine filter models and discontinued their non filter models. The fine filter models still had the Potscrubber feature with most main washes lasting 45-56 minutes on average. With only a few minor changes to the filter and sump boot, production of those machines lasted until 2022. After that all standard tub models were discontinued.
Here are some cycle sequences- one to a 2008 BOL fine filter model the other to a MOL 2014 model. The 2014 model runs the heater for a whopping 45 minutes in the main wash with only 1.3 gallon water charge and a good 40 minutes in the dry cycle. Needless to say this machine got things clean and it got things dry. The most powerful, thorough and spotless cleaning budget model you could buy which rivals even many TOL machines. The fine filter worked really well. The 2008 model I had would eat up coffee grounds- I tried it and it worked. Nothing left after the cycle. In the prior none fine filter model once grounds got in they would not leave, they would just redeposit even after several cycles. I really regretted that.
I doubt the new electronic models are the same.
Here are some cycle sequences- one to a 2008 BOL fine filter model the other to a MOL 2014 model. The 2014 model runs the heater for a whopping 45 minutes in the main wash with only 1.3 gallon water charge and a good 40 minutes in the dry cycle. Needless to say this machine got things clean and it got things dry. The most powerful, thorough and spotless cleaning budget model you could buy which rivals even many TOL machines. The fine filter worked really well. The 2008 model I had would eat up coffee grounds- I tried it and it worked. Nothing left after the cycle. In the prior none fine filter model once grounds got in they would not leave, they would just redeposit even after several cycles. I really regretted that.
I doubt the new electronic models are the same.
Sorry for the Blurry Pics
I'll post them to IMGUR
There is no other dishwasher that runs the heater continuously after basic wash temps are satisfied. Even Whirlpool's Powercleans would shut the heater off after the 140*F thermal hold. 3 things contribute to dishwashing- chemical energy, mechanical energy, and thermal energy. When one goes down another goes up. What GE lacked in mechanical energy they made up for it in thermal energy and then some.
Me, I like to imagine a Power Clean Filter Module that does a long 185*F main wash
One can fantasize.
I'll post them to IMGUR
There is no other dishwasher that runs the heater continuously after basic wash temps are satisfied. Even Whirlpool's Powercleans would shut the heater off after the 140*F thermal hold. 3 things contribute to dishwashing- chemical energy, mechanical energy, and thermal energy. When one goes down another goes up. What GE lacked in mechanical energy they made up for it in thermal energy and then some.
Me, I like to imagine a Power Clean Filter Module that does a long 185*F main wash
GE nautilus
Why did GE name their dishwashers under the name Nautilus? Their motors sounded like they didn't have a fan in them.
Why did GE name their dishwashers under the name Nautilus? Their motors sounded like they didn't have a fan in them.
cfz2882
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motor
rotor fins move cooling air on this motor-also motor is ball bearing,so you may hear these bearings.
rotor fins move cooling air on this motor-also motor is ball bearing,so you may hear these bearings.
neptunebob
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They should have called the dishwasher SeaWolf....
Back in the 50 General Electric was involved in a nuclear submarine that was called Seawolf. They had nothing to do with the Nautilus which was a Westinghouse project.
Back in the 50 General Electric was involved in a nuclear submarine that was called Seawolf. They had nothing to do with the Nautilus which was a Westinghouse project.
bearings
I believe I noticed the motor bearing noise on the GE Nautilus dishwashers. The later GE dishwashers that had spray towers didn't run their motors while filling. What type of motors did these later models use compared to their Nautilus counterparts? I think I hear the bearing noise on these later models too, unlike the older models with the big fans from 1999 and earlier.
I believe I noticed the motor bearing noise on the GE Nautilus dishwashers. The later GE dishwashers that had spray towers didn't run their motors while filling. What type of motors did these later models use compared to their Nautilus counterparts? I think I hear the bearing noise on these later models too, unlike the older models with the big fans from 1999 and earlier.
The BOL and MOL fine filter models used the same PSC motors as the PSC motor Natilus models despite the pump itself being slightly redesigned. The motor stops because the drain solenoid in the fine filter models does not have a end of pump out reset spring in addition to needing to motor stops to let the sump filter ball drop back down. With the motor running the pump does not reset or take itself out of drain mode- the water pressure keeps the drain flapper closed and the sump ball sealing the fine filter outlet. Stopping the motor and occasionally activating the drain solenoid during the fill lets the ball drop back down, lets the drain valve close itself, and clears any air pockets.
The pump impeller is also different from the none fine filter models, the pump is designed to work around a reduced water charge (1.1 gallons) in these fine filter model. Spray arm holes are also smaller to keep pressure up with the reduced water fill, a portion of water being diverted into the fine filter, and an extra hole at the bottom of the wash arm to spray down the fine filter beneath it.
Here is the pump and motor.
The pump impeller is also different from the none fine filter models, the pump is designed to work around a reduced water charge (1.1 gallons) in these fine filter model. Spray arm holes are also smaller to keep pressure up with the reduced water fill, a portion of water being diverted into the fine filter, and an extra hole at the bottom of the wash arm to spray down the fine filter beneath it.
Here is the pump and motor.
How It Works
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Latter models redesigned the sump boot again and rotated the fine filter outlet to middle of the sump from the original far left.
Having used this and a dura wash I can tell you the fine filter is many, many times more effective than the soil settler system at removing particles. Whirlpool's dura-wash soil settler system was a total joke and didn't do anything. Whirlpool should never have attempted budget models. Had GE beefed this design and engineered it around a bit more water per fill GE would've had a really, really nice dishwasher both performance, reliability and durability wise. Had they increased the thickness of the perma tuff and metal used and put self leveling wheels on the back this design would've taken competitors head on.
Can be found here:
Latter models redesigned the sump boot again and rotated the fine filter outlet to middle of the sump from the original far left.
Having used this and a dura wash I can tell you the fine filter is many, many times more effective than the soil settler system at removing particles. Whirlpool's dura-wash soil settler system was a total joke and didn't do anything. Whirlpool should never have attempted budget models. Had GE beefed this design and engineered it around a bit more water per fill GE would've had a really, really nice dishwasher both performance, reliability and durability wise. Had they increased the thickness of the perma tuff and metal used and put self leveling wheels on the back this design would've taken competitors head on.
GE pumps and spray action
I also noticed since the year 2008 that their basic models had spray arms that spun faster, and the pump ran at roughly 3300 rpm when full of water. I believe they're similar to their last standard tub dishwasher of 2022 before they went all tall tub.
I also noticed since the year 2008 that their basic models had spray arms that spun faster, and the pump ran at roughly 3300 rpm when full of water. I believe they're similar to their last standard tub dishwasher of 2022 before they went all tall tub.
GE spray arms did speed up each engineering revision. Since the 1983-1992 Potscrubbers GE revised the spray arm mount, arm material/style, number of holes, size of each hole size and spray arm orifice size at least 6 times all the way up to their end in 2022.
2023 tall tub
What do you think of the GE tall tub dishwasher that replaced their models? They also make them in the Hotpoint version. Here's a video of it running. You'll have to tell me what you think.
What do you think of the GE tall tub dishwasher that replaced their models? They also make them in the Hotpoint version. Here's a video of it running. You'll have to tell me what you think.
Honestly I've never used one in person, so I can't say for sure. But honestly I doubt it could ever replace a PotScrubber. As cheap and flimsy as the non tall tubs were the last 20 years, it still pains me that they were discontinued.
Basic GSD2200 GE dishwasher
Hi Brendan, this is just like the one I posted a week or so ago we picked one of these up from a customer who is upgrading the kitchens in a small apartment building.
There were and are a lot of these around. They were really cheaply made the racks rusted badly in them. The wheels fell off and they had lots of pump problems with the spray arm filter system, etc., the really good part of this dishwasher was the motors itself I never saw a problem with the GE motor or the whirlpool Dura wash motors. Both were good ball bearing Motors. The whirlpool even had a start relay with a real start winding so it never got stuck like the GE motors could when the seal got sticky.
Comparing this dishwasher to the whirlpool wash basic dura wash dishwasher was no contest the whirlpool machine was far better built we never had troubles with the whirlpool pumps, neither one of them were great performers however neither one could wash in the corners of the upper rack, for example and both of them left a mess of food and debris in the bottom of the tub near the pump inlet.
Self leveling rear wheels ?? This is another thing you’ve made up chet There was never any such thing on any dishwasher.
John
Hi Brendan, this is just like the one I posted a week or so ago we picked one of these up from a customer who is upgrading the kitchens in a small apartment building.
There were and are a lot of these around. They were really cheaply made the racks rusted badly in them. The wheels fell off and they had lots of pump problems with the spray arm filter system, etc., the really good part of this dishwasher was the motors itself I never saw a problem with the GE motor or the whirlpool Dura wash motors. Both were good ball bearing Motors. The whirlpool even had a start relay with a real start winding so it never got stuck like the GE motors could when the seal got sticky.
Comparing this dishwasher to the whirlpool wash basic dura wash dishwasher was no contest the whirlpool machine was far better built we never had troubles with the whirlpool pumps, neither one of them were great performers however neither one could wash in the corners of the upper rack, for example and both of them left a mess of food and debris in the bottom of the tub near the pump inlet.
Self leveling rear wheels ?? This is another thing you’ve made up chet There was never any such thing on any dishwasher.
John
Dura wash was tougher built yes, however 1) the pump impellar would always cement itself to the motor shaft 2)There is no food grinder 3) the soil settler system did not work at all- it was a prosthetic engineering ornament- a gimmick- the GE fine filter actually removed particles many, many times over. 4) Dura wash went from 3 rinses to 2 rinses in the mid 90s with no compensatory design changes despite the soil settler becoming standard around this time period. I've read occasional reviews over the years of people saying the dura wash could do a better job rinsing detergent.
The pop up tower does an excellent job of cleaning in the corners, in fact this is a strong point for GE. GE outdoes Durawash in corner cleaning. Further GE does not leave food particles at the grate where as the Dura wash grate would quickly get clogged up effecting wash pressure. And the durawash grate has to be restrictive - durawash does not have a food pulverizer. GE on the other hand lets food bits through, grinds them up into tiny particles via the piranha hard food disposer, are then captured by the fine filter where they settle down into the sump drain pocket until they are flushed out the machine during the drain period. The concept is highly effective working well even for large dirty loads.
Self leveling legs/wheels aren't offered now with dishwashers, but that doesn't mean they can't be adapted to them. Trust me when I say I have very, very specific ideas of what appliances ought to be.
The pop up tower does an excellent job of cleaning in the corners, in fact this is a strong point for GE. GE outdoes Durawash in corner cleaning. Further GE does not leave food particles at the grate where as the Dura wash grate would quickly get clogged up effecting wash pressure. And the durawash grate has to be restrictive - durawash does not have a food pulverizer. GE on the other hand lets food bits through, grinds them up into tiny particles via the piranha hard food disposer, are then captured by the fine filter where they settle down into the sump drain pocket until they are flushed out the machine during the drain period. The concept is highly effective working well even for large dirty loads.
Self leveling legs/wheels aren't offered now with dishwashers, but that doesn't mean they can't be adapted to them. Trust me when I say I have very, very specific ideas of what appliances ought to be.
