2018 Regulations

[Chetlaham]

So I spoke with an appliance tech and he said that in 2018 new regulations kick in which basically mandated front load washers. He was unsure of the exact details, but I am curious what these regulations will be and how they will change things. Any know what they are about?

 

[combo52]

From one tech to another, the one you talked to is FOS, FL washers are not going away. You should ask him to prove what he said.

 

[johnb300m]

No offense to the knowledgeable techs here, but I've been told all sorts of nonsense by techs in the past.

The best were the delivery/install techs who delivered and set up my new oven back in Dec.
They were saying that they're not Home Depot employees, but GE employees, and that the majority of appliance deliveries are done by this GE logistics company.
Apparently GE delivers 3/4 of all the appliances in America, no matter the brand, and no matter the retailer.

They went on to say that the vast majority of GE and LG components are interchangeable and that they share engineering since GE owns a controlling stake in LG Appliances.

They went further to say that GE owns everything, including the little recycling triangle seen on all sorts of plastics, because they invented it in their old plastics division. AND, that GE gets a royalty for every time that little triangle is used.

Now....if any of you need me to conduct deep research into how that's all BS.....well............give me several weeks. LOL.

 

[Chetlaham]

Not that front loads are going away, bur rather top load washers which will basically force people to switch to front load. Ie, deep water wash will not be allowed.

 

[brucelucenta]

Well, I have expected that for a while now.

 

[washman]

Typical goobermint goobledegook nonsense.  As usual

 

[golittlesport]

Fake news!!!

 

[jerrod6]

Our current government administration wants to gut the EPA by slashing their budget, in fact​ all the information regarding clean water and air, and climate change has been removed from the EPA web site, so perhaps there will be no new regulations in 2018.

 

[48bencix]

No consultation with the Mfrs

I read somewhere that during previous regulation discussion periods, the Appliance Manufacturers were consulted. For the 2018 regulations, the regulators decided what the regulations would be and with no consultation or discussion with the Appliance Manufacturers. Appliance regs come from the Department of Energy.

And I think they may become a little less stringent.

 

[wishwash]

Maybe if restrictions ease up, more people will decide to take the efficient route if they feel it is their choice.

 

[gansky1]

Per the published regulations, the energy and water use-factor numbers are going down as of Jan 2018.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...205bd107&mc=true&node=se10.3.430_132&rgn=div8

It's a bit confusing, the Energy Star site lists different (current) standards for clothes washers.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-i...205bd107&mc=true&node=se10.3.430_132&rgn=div8

Given that the Energy Star program is on the president's "cut list" from the EPA budget, perhaps they've already given up and gone for a drink?

http://e360.yale.edu/features/killing-energy-star-a-popular-program-lands-on-the-trump-hit-list

 

[launderess]

By the time that Pruitt man is finished with the EPA there won't be much regulation left regarding "saving energy".

In four years after the Trump person is gone and a saner more educated person replaces current head of EPA, everything will be put back into place, and how.

 

[tolivac]

I am FOR getting rid of these ridiculous regulations-its going too far.The Energy Star program is slated to be cut---GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!Lets preserve FREEDOM OF CHOICE in appliances,light bulbs,toilets,and so on.

 

[wishwash]

While I do agree with you about freedom of choice, it's quite silly to shred the EPA. Saving energy has good reasons...

 

[tolivac]

I think the EPA has outlived its usefulness-time for it to go!It has KILLED more jobs in this country do to excessive regulations.

 

[tolivac]

The saving of energy should be YOUR choice NOT the gov'ts.

 

[vacerator]

It is yuor choice.

You can either select the energy saving cycles, or the deep water wash cycles.
Or restore or by a reconditioned older machine.
Some Govt. regulations are beneficial to us.
Complete all out environmental, economic, and agricultural irresponsibility had caused not only pollution, but death, illness, and financial crashes.
PBB, DDT, Hexavalent chromium, Lead, mercury, etc. cause cancers and genetic defects. Love Canal, tainted cattle feed, poisonous electrical transformer oil, Flourocarbon ozone depletion etc.
The credit union scandal of the 80's left many farmers bankrupted. The years 2002 through 2009 were also a cataclysm.

 

[washman]

I like phosphates.

 

[jerrod6]

The last time I read the minutes( at least a few years ago)  from the Energy Star meetings I think I remember that many manufacture representatives said that the requirements were already so low that they were having trouble making washers that would actually work.  They said that they had reached their limit and that tighter requirements would result in machines with poor performance.   So I guess the Energy Star folks didn't want to hear any flak this time and didn't invite appliance representatives.

 

Even so, it doesn't mean the appliance manufactures were not right in their assessment.  I think the only reason these new requirements are in existence is because the folks at energy star want to have a job.   

 

I agree that we need standards but at some point enough is enough.  Let the standards of perhaps 2010 or in my case 2003(the year I bought my machine) be good enough.  Even European energy standards are not as strict as what we currently have in the USA..and what we are left with now are washers that don't even use enough water to adequately rinse clothes.

 

While we use to be able to choose a cycle that used more water or heat some manufacturers don't even include these cycles on the machine anymore, for example a true sanitize cycle with water actually hot to do the job, an allergen cycle for people with special problems.  Instead you find a sanitize cycle using 112F water----it's a joke.