2nd Time I’ve Oversuds the Asko

[Unimatic1140]

And the Answer is...

DASH!

Vintage Dash works absolutely wonderfully in my '41 Bendix, my '55 Westinghouse Laundromat, my '58 Whirlpool Combo and my '59 Philco-Bendix Duomatic. But for some reason it doesn't work well in the Asko. I don't know if it has to do with the heat of 95C degree near boiling water or if the 9 hours of wash tumbling (ok I'm exaggerating, the Asko only washes for 5 hours) has anything to do with it. But its very interesting and I wanted to share it with you guyz and galz.

The real hint here was the absolutely clear (clear enough to drink remember) water in the first rinse!

 

[DADoES]

<blockquote>The [color=ff0000]first time I used this detergent[/color] it oversuds the Asko doing a Boil Wash. I thought it was just an anomaly that time, [color=ff0000]this is the second time I’ve used this same detergent[/color] and I oversuds the Asko again! I’ve never oversuds the Asko using any [color=ff0000]American HE detergent[/color] before.</blockquote>
Hmmm. That infers the detergent used is an American HE detergent. Do any the detergents pictured fit that description? Maybe Dash and All? But neither one could cause oversudsing. Or could they?

I'm guessing the Cold Water All, but I'm probably wrong.

 

[DADoES]

Ooops! LOL!

Does the oversudsing start immediately or does it take a while to develop? Maybe the boil wash breaks down the anti-sudsing agent (the fish oil)?

 

[petek]

I just figured something out from this thread!!!!

having wall to wall carpeting and two energetic dogs I spend some time now and then with my Hoover Steam Vac. One of the problems with it was using non Hoover carpet shampoo, others oversuds and shut the ball float of prematurely.. of course I never have any carpet cleaner de foamer. so I'm going to try a capful of Downy or Snuggle in the diry water receptacle and see if that works to keep it down.

 

[toggleswitch]

IMHO:

An American top-loader takes 26 x 2 = 52 +/- gallons of water.

IIRC a F/L (like my Frid-Ge-Lux) takes aobut half or 25 gallons divided by 5 water-changes or 5 gallons per fill (2.5 buckets full.)

So I try to use 1/5 of the dergent in general. So far it seems to work.

For a whites boil-wash, automatic dishwasher powder may work well...(since they are generally non-sudsing except for the real el cheapo garbage brand stuff). It certainly does work well when I do a whites prewah in my machines.

Asko also claims that NO detegent is needed in their machines in the first load after unsing another machine (T/L?) in that it uses the left-behind residues, which suffice. Not sure if this is an acknowledgment that these machines are hugely sesitive to suds or hugely eficient and wash with a tablespoon or two of water.......

Thanks for listening!

 

[mayken4now]

Well I'll be dog:

DASH, hum, stick to vintage for vintage machines. Stick to modern for modern machines.

Very good post! Very good lesson!

Steve

 

[westyslantfront]

Hi Robert. I remember that Wisk in metal can. When I hung out at local laundromat with Philco Bendix front loaders, the women came in and used Wisk around the collar for ring around the collar, then they put clothes in Philco Bendix front loader, dropped in their coins, and a few seconds later, the suds came out of the top of the machine. I would advise them to throw in some fabric softener (sta-puf or nu soft) and then the suds would just disappear.

 

[westyslantfront]

Front Loader Detergents

With my Westy front loaders, I use Tide HE but sometimes I just can't help putting in a bit a Tide powder. Sometimes it is ok and other times suds come all the way up the window which is when I throw in fabric softener. As for HE detergents, I like Tide the best and it has a great scent.

 

[peterh770]

The high temperature emulsifies the FISH OIL so that there is no suds suppression...

How does vintage ALL work?

 

[jetcone]

I am not surprised with the heat factor

The higher temperature does two things to mid-formulation of DASH. DASH went thru 3 different formulations before 1960!

Peter is right the heat affects the fish oil, my guess would be it caused it to break down from hydrogenation so it no longer suppressed suds. BUT DASH used the phosphates in two ways>> the phosphate compound used did two things for DASH. 1) it helped make the wash fluid more alakline which helps to reduce suds as well and clean but it also helps 2) to soften the water. The STPP used in DASH breaks down somewhere above 110 degrees. When the water became less alkaline it would cause alot more sudsing and YET it would still be softened which would also help the suds level!

SO you had two things going on the break down of HYFAC 431 and the break down of STPP. One stopped its anti sudsing and the other made the water MORE receptive to suds formation after it had already softened the water.

The surfactant used in DASH is the exact same one used in TIDE but TIDE as WE ALL KNOW has NO, NIX, NINE,NYET sudsuppression ever and NEVER WILL.

You had a front loader filled with concentrated TIDE there! NO wonder you had suds!!

Jet

 

[shanonabc]

Fudge Robert, Those are GOOD pictures