50's Frigidaire Stove PGH CL..(same seller as GE DW)
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danemodsandy
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Not '50s -
Unless I am greatly mistaken (there are real Frigidaire experts among us, so they'll tell me if I'm wrong), that's not '50s, it's '40s. It's the single-oven version of the 1948 TOL we had when I was growing up. Raymond Loewy designed it.
Damn thing weighed more than a Hyundai does today - all porcelain, and heavy-gauge sheet metal, plus a fair amount of chromed pot metal.
Unless I am greatly mistaken (there are real Frigidaire experts among us, so they'll tell me if I'm wrong), that's not '50s, it's '40s. It's the single-oven version of the 1948 TOL we had when I was growing up. Raymond Loewy designed it.
Damn thing weighed more than a Hyundai does today - all porcelain, and heavy-gauge sheet metal, plus a fair amount of chromed pot metal.
Wow
is that light about the coolest ever?
is that light about the coolest ever?
I'd put my money on a 1949 RM-45.
frigidaireguy
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1949 Would Be A good guess
I would think 1949 would be correct. My Mother had a 1948 that was nearly identical to this. The drawer on the left of the oven was a "warming" bin. You just flipped the switch in the middle and it kept everything warm.
Bob
I would think 1949 would be correct. My Mother had a 1948 that was nearly identical to this. The drawer on the left of the oven was a "warming" bin. You just flipped the switch in the middle and it kept everything warm.
Bob
danemodsandy
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Dating:
The reason I've been uncertain about the date is that the ad below appeared in a number of magazines in 1948, some as early as March. I do not know what time of year represented the model year change for Frigidaire in 1948, but since they were a GM subsidiary, I've always assumed third week of September, same as for cars at the time. That assumption would make the pictured unit a 1948 model, since the ad was in magazines prior to September. Anyone who could shed light on this situation would be very helpful.
The range in the ad is the TOL double-oven model; the full-width garnish molding on the storage drawer, the presence of an oven vent at the far left of the backsplash (a second one for the second oven) and the presence of a third knob on the control panel below the clock are the clues. Does anyone have a model number for it? Mark?[this post was last edited: 10/6/2013-18:48]
The reason I've been uncertain about the date is that the ad below appeared in a number of magazines in 1948, some as early as March. I do not know what time of year represented the model year change for Frigidaire in 1948, but since they were a GM subsidiary, I've always assumed third week of September, same as for cars at the time. That assumption would make the pictured unit a 1948 model, since the ad was in magazines prior to September. Anyone who could shed light on this situation would be very helpful.
The range in the ad is the TOL double-oven model; the full-width garnish molding on the storage drawer, the presence of an oven vent at the far left of the backsplash (a second one for the second oven) and the presence of a third knob on the control panel below the clock are the clues. Does anyone have a model number for it? Mark?[this post was last edited: 10/6/2013-18:48]
Sandy, the range in the ad that you show IS indeed the TOL 1948 double oven range. It was the model RK-70 and is listed and shown in the 1948 service literature. Note that 1948 was the last year of the thinner, interwound surface elements on Frigidaire ranges. In 1949 the 3-wire radiantube was introduced across the line.
Here is the picture from that manual (shown in tandem with an apartment range, for when you just must have 3 ovens and 7 surface units!):
Here is the picture from that manual (shown in tandem with an apartment range, for when you just must have 3 ovens and 7 surface units!):
The TOL, double oven range for 1949 was the RM-75. Note that it has the fat 3-wire radiantube surface elements and a completely redesigned full backsplash panel.
It appears as though Frigidaire "repurposed" the TOL 1948 double-oven design for the middle-of-the-line single oven 1949 model, the RM-45.
It appears as though Frigidaire "repurposed" the TOL 1948 double-oven design for the middle-of-the-line single oven 1949 model, the RM-45.
danemodsandy
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Mark:
Thank you SO MUCH for the model number and the confirmation of my assumptions!
I only wish that range of ours had lived on. It met its demise because it began burning out elements and switches right and left, and because its white Bakelite knobs began snapping off at the shaft fitting. By 1974, it was so far gone Mother replaced it. I still remember the ordeal of getting the heavy-as-lead Frigidaire out to the curb; we had a very long driveway at the time.
It has to be remembered that in those pre-Internet days, you were at the mercy of your local service people, and if they weren't interested in maintaining parts stock for older appliances and in repairing them, you weren't going to be getting your ailing appliance fixed.
She's gone to glory, but I'd love to find her twin someday.
Thank you SO MUCH for the model number and the confirmation of my assumptions!
I only wish that range of ours had lived on. It met its demise because it began burning out elements and switches right and left, and because its white Bakelite knobs began snapping off at the shaft fitting. By 1974, it was so far gone Mother replaced it. I still remember the ordeal of getting the heavy-as-lead Frigidaire out to the curb; we had a very long driveway at the time.
It has to be remembered that in those pre-Internet days, you were at the mercy of your local service people, and if they weren't interested in maintaining parts stock for older appliances and in repairing them, you weren't going to be getting your ailing appliance fixed.
She's gone to glory, but I'd love to find her twin someday.
Sandy, the service lit. lists the RK-70 at 276 lbs. That's ALMOST as much as a Maytag AMP washer. Those weighed in at just shy of 300!
danemodsandy
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Mark:
What, if anything, was Frigidaire doing with dishwashers during this time frame? I'm familiar with their ranges, fridges and laundry of the period, but I've never seen anything that I recall about dishwashers, and you'd think GM would have been all over that.
Know anything?
P.S.: That weight in the service manual is obviously a misprint, LOL. It was more like 1,276 pounds! Well, at least it was by the time we neared the curb.
What, if anything, was Frigidaire doing with dishwashers during this time frame? I'm familiar with their ranges, fridges and laundry of the period, but I've never seen anything that I recall about dishwashers, and you'd think GM would have been all over that.
Know anything?
P.S.: That weight in the service manual is obviously a misprint, LOL. It was more like 1,276 pounds! Well, at least it was by the time we neared the curb.
Sandy, Frigidaire was late in the game to the dishwasher market. Their first automatic dishwasher did not appear until 1955. It was a "spin tube" model that they would use up until the later 1960s.
danemodsandy
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Oh, Well....
....If you're doing a late-'40s kitchen, a KD-10 is always correct - and it gets the dishes clean, which not every dishwasher of the time did reliably.
Thanks!
....If you're doing a late-'40s kitchen, a KD-10 is always correct - and it gets the dishes clean, which not every dishwasher of the time did reliably.
Thanks!
Sandy, sorry to disappoint, but the KD-10 did not appear on the market until very late in 1953. Previous to that you were at the mercy of the "electric sink" manufacturers.
danemodsandy
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Mark:
What's up with that?
KitchenAid has always beat its chest about the KD-10 coming out in '49.
And I'm pretty sure Hotpoint had an undercounter model in the late '40s:
www.automaticwasher.org
What's up with that?
KitchenAid has always beat its chest about the KD-10 coming out in '49.
And I'm pretty sure Hotpoint had an undercounter model in the late '40s:
Hotpoint Dishwasher in Richmond, VA
I was contacted this morning by a seller of a late 40's Hotpoint dishwasher. I was directed to your website by someone who replied to my Richmond, VA Craigs List ad for same. She suggested that I contact you regarding my sale of this item. I would love to see this go to a good home, but I...
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Sandy, after consulting another oracle, I have determined that you are correct!
The KD-10 was indeed introduced in April of 1949 and was produced until April of 1955.
The one copy of a manual that I have for a KD-10 was dated 1954 and I then jumped to conclusions....bad me!
I don't doubt that hotpoint has an undercounted model available in the late 1940s. But really....an impeller machine against a Hobart machine???
The KD-10 was indeed introduced in April of 1949 and was produced until April of 1955.
The one copy of a manual that I have for a KD-10 was dated 1954 and I then jumped to conclusions....bad me!
I don't doubt that hotpoint has an undercounted model available in the late 1940s. But really....an impeller machine against a Hobart machine???
danemodsandy
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AHA!
So, the next time I'm building a Truman-era kitchen, I can put in a KD-10 to go with the RK-70.
Which will happen about the time Congress is composed entirely of rational, reasonable people.
P.S.: Here's the cover for the introductory brochure for the KD-10:
So, the next time I'm building a Truman-era kitchen, I can put in a KD-10 to go with the RK-70.
Which will happen about the time Congress is composed entirely of rational, reasonable people.
P.S.: Here's the cover for the introductory brochure for the KD-10:
frigidaireguy
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KD-10
My Mother got her KD-10 sometime in 1950. It was a "Stand Alone" model with the gravity drain. Lasted until around 1969 or 1970. Definitely a workhorse.
Bob
My Mother got her KD-10 sometime in 1950. It was a "Stand Alone" model with the gravity drain. Lasted until around 1969 or 1970. Definitely a workhorse.
Bob
danemodsandy
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By the Way, Mark:
I think two of those RK-3D apartment ranges flanking an RK-70 would be just the ticket. Just think:
Ten burners and four ovens, and a total width of eighty inches.
Puts a Roper Town & Country to shame, that does. ;-)
I think two of those RK-3D apartment ranges flanking an RK-70 would be just the ticket. Just think:
Ten burners and four ovens, and a total width of eighty inches.
Puts a Roper Town & Country to shame, that does. ;-)
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