60s-70s Laudromat with FL washers and Closed TL Maytags

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Hey "bradfordwhite" while we're on environmentally friendly power sources, what's wrong with heating with renewable and sustainable wood in a modern efficient and clean-burning wood stove? Saves tons of money if you cut your own wood also. You may even be able to get wood stoves or furnaces that are controlled by your fancy smart phone.

It's preferable to sleeping with grizzly bears to keep warm!

:)

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Nothing wrong with

using wood or pellets if your community allows it. Some more densley populated areas may not, just like burning leaves or trash.
My in laws had a home in a rural area in the 80's with hot water heat, and also a wood burning stove on the lower level, and a fireplaces for saving the gas used by the boiler. A homeowner must also be aware the creosote from burning coal, wood, or other combustables builds up in chimneys and can start fires. I suspect condomimnium by laws, or a homeowner's association might prohibit it.
A condo garage burned last night and it not only destroyed the condo, but caught the detatched one next door on fire, and melted the vynil siding above the garage accross the street.
 
Yes, it takes some knowledge, care, and responsibility. But I think sometimes people forget that there are other answers and solutions, and that not everyone lives in west or east coast urban areas, and aren't all taught to fall in line and accept the same lifestyles and same beliefs as fact without question. While it's a way of life to me, and has been for people here for generations, I know not everyone has ready access to firewood or the ability to get it or store it. Probably many wouldn't even know how to start a wood fire without using dreaded "fossil" fuels. At least pellet stoves are more automated, but not quite the same.

I'm not sure I'd last much longer living in a condominium or homeowner's association than I would living with grizzly bears, just as I suspect the person who made the generous comparison of me to Grizzly Adams wouldn't last long out here. (Though, perhaps ironiocally, I kind of picture him more as a Timothy Treadwell type.)
 
Reply #28

“I highly doubt a nuclear plant will ever be built at least in my lifetime in the United States it’s simply too expensive there’s no realistic way to get the cost down to compete with other sources.”

I very politely beg to differ. The cost of building nuclear plants many years ago was expensive since most were large power plants built on many acres of land along with all the engineering along with research and development it took to build such plants but since small modular reactors are currently in the development process, we actually might see small nuclear power plants being built since it takes less space and money to build a small nuclear power plant as opposed to the large and clunky nuclear power plants of the past.

This video pretty much explains what a small modular reactor is, I suggest you check it out since it has none on the drawl backs of nuclear power plants from the past.

 
Reply #34

The cost hasn’t been figured out yet but will most certainly cost less to build than a full size nuclear power plant which costs a lot to build since there’s a lot of engineering as well as complexity in a larger nuclear power plant vs these small modular reactors that have everything contained in a single capsule essentially. The big difference between a traditional nuclear power plant vs small modular reactors is small modular reactors can be built in a factory while a traditional nuclear power plant has to have everything specifically designed for that particular plant and has very few interchangeable parts with other plants etc.
 
Interesting how the past generations have done so much that seemingly can't be done with the workmanship, affordability, time and other constraints today. We can't even seem to maintain the infrastructure they built.

But back in the real world (Wyoming), work has begun on the Natrium Reactor Demonstration project which is to be a nuclear power generation facility: https://www.terrapower.com/natrium-project-update/
 
Back to the OP

It looks as if that may not be a particularly busy laundromat, and maybe the owners are using the drought as an excuse to shut down some of their least profitable machines.

Given that the machines they are shutting down are Maytags they may be broken down the majority of the time anyway, maybe they think that putting signs on them making themselves out to be environmentally conscious is better than constantly having "out of order" signs on them, or having them constantly repaired.
 
No, that doesn't figure.

A front loader holds more than a top loader unless it's overloaded. No big agitator taking up volume in the basket.
A front loader cleans by scrubbing more than rolling the laundry in deep water. Thats why they take longer. They also save power, so that adds profitablility.
The induction motors pause between direction shifts, and just draw lower wattage.
 
No,

especially on the deep water wash cycle. I had one, and my sister has a newer type with knobs. If the load was unbalanced, it kept draining, and refilling with enough water to shift the load around. Those are old dependable care Maytags at the top of the page though.
 
What?!

So you think that the TL Maytags are more profitable than the FL Dexters and such? You think that the old probably heavily used Maytags are as dependable and cost effective in a commercial setting?

You don't think a laundromat with few customers and a certain percentage of machines that remain idle throughout the day might not look for an excuse to take the least profitable ones out of commission?

I'm just not sure what you're disagreeing with or what you're point is.
 
Jeff,

that's waht I semise from logic, and we don't have to agree. You live in Wyoming, which much of is sparsley populated. Until (if) in your lifetime the Yellowstone cladera blows, you'll be fine. California, on the other end of the totem pole has a severe water shortage. Fires are a real danger, most lawns are astroturf today, property owners on hillsides must keep the chaparal cut to less than 5 inches to help stave off fires. Gas appliances are being outlawed, and top load washers may be too.
Nevada is in the same boat, with the Lake Meade water level so low, the Hoover dam generator intakes may not even be submerged soon, and blackouts may occur.
Change is a given for energy, environment, climate, etc. Adapt, change, or get out of the way. We live on a raging planet, and if the human race is to evolvr and live on, we must use the inteligence given by our higher powers in the universe and or hevans to figure out a way off this rock. We got to the moon, it can be done.
I'm certain those on the Titanic disagreed on many things, but as soon as it began to sink, they all realized they really were "in the same boat"
 
Maybe someone else can answer, because I really don't know.

Is an old Maytag TL in the laundromat in the OP as profitable as the Dexter machines and such?

I was assuming they're not, even if they are the old Dependable Care Maytags I would think that in a hard used laundromat setting they might be nearing the end of their time where keeping them repaired could be problematic. Initially I was thinking they were the later Whirlpool versions that would be problematic to begin with. Mike set me straight on that.

Otherwise Mike tells me I'm wrong but then continues to give lectures on water conservation and the superiority of FLs, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

For that matter I'm not even clear what is meant by the title of this thread "60s - 70s Laundromat"? Are any of those machines from the 60s or 70s, even the Maytag Dependable Cares?
 
See, that's what I mean!

Petroleum is in anything plastic! If an alternative isn't available, or practical, thats one thing. It is often human nature to avoid change until the supply is nearly or has been depleated. Decorative stone front yards are also popular.
I hope you never need an I.V., or cathiterization in a hospital! Those are also of plastics, and or silicones. So are injection syringes. How many of those are used daily? I bet they use more plastic than a lawn per capita per anum.
Heck, a coffee K cup has at least half as much as a plastic grocery bag. Those are also recycleable. I clean mine out, and fill an empty fiber suppliment can with them twice per month. Add that volume up for all the Kuerig users! Everything is incremental, like a penny. A hundred still add up to a dollar. Think! Don't just look inside your own little box life.
 
I made a joke about Astroturf. Apparently you found it offensive for some reason, but I think imitation grass is emblematic of the imitation environmentalism of so many promoting the "green" agenda. They're the ones railing against the petroleum industry even as they fly their jets and build their mansions. Yes, they're doing their part. Attempting to cover their part of the earth in petroleum products that will sooner or later need to be replaced, yet won't compost in the landfill, all the while preaching how the petroleum industry needs to be shut down. Nothing greener than fake grass.

Kind of reminds me of the couple who moved her from California, built their fancy house in the middle of a major migration corridor, then preach to everyone else how they need to be more environmentally aware.

I still haven't gotten a clear answer to my question, and I don't know why you find it so necessary to continually lecture me about the environment, or anything else.

I bet I am more green than you or the majority of those here. I live here because I love, respect and understand the environment. I conserve as much as I can and have little waste. Go preach to someone else. At the same time I'm am realistic about it. I know a lot of the "environmental" problems are actually policy problems, and I don't automatically fall for hysterics and fear mongering masquerading as "science". So many don't even consider the unintended consequences of their well intentioned solutions. Do you even have a clue as to how much petroleum we have here in the U.S., or what damage the forced change to "green" energy is and will do?

I wonder who is living life in their own little box, and who is just following the crowd with their group-think? Use a little reason. Try answering a question if you know the answer, don't bother if you don't.

So, does anyone have any idea how profitable those old Maytag TLs are in a commercial setting as in the OP? Oh, never mind, I don't need another lecture just for asking.
 
What does astro turf have to do with this?

Don't know, but apparently this isn't the place to ask questions about the use of TLs in commercial settings, it seems to get people ticked off so they go off on things like Astroturf, and if you make a comment about their comment on Astroturf it ticks them off even more.

Tow the line, top loaders are bad, don't even mention them, or suffer a series of lectures on things like Astroturf.
 
Commercial washer operating costs

Hi Jeff, a commercial Maytag dependable care washer as pictured would use over twice as much water and probably three times as much electricity to operate per load and approximately three times as much hot water if sat on the pot wash assuming all rinses are cold which they normally are.

A commercial quality frontload washer like the Dexters or a current Speed Queen will outlast two or three top loading washers as well.

If I was the laundromat owner and water cost or energy Costs were hi I would definitely try to get rid of the top loading washers.

Everything in life has trade-offs Astroturf is probably not much of a problem number one very few homes in California use Astroturf, and compared to the amount of gasoline and oil to run lawn cutting equipment the Astroturf probably use more ecological pretty quickly to say nothing of water Fertilizer and additional human labor etc.

John L

John Al
 
Thanks John!

I thought there may be personal reasons as well as drought concerns that may help them decide to shut them down. Not to say that they aren't decent people wanting to do the right thing. But I can imagine if they shut them down without having a good reason without the drought, die-hard customers who only ever used and know TL washers may have revolted. Maybe when (hopefully) the drought ends, I can get them to give them to me, and they can claim they were stolen, and the die hard TL people won't riot as much. (I hope at least some people have an idea when I'm joking, it may not always be clear.)

I didn't think it seemed right to me that most lawns were now Astroturf. I can see like patio areas and apartment balconies and such, at least that much makes sense to me. I'm not sure how you would do a whole yard, especially if you had dogs and such, seems like you would still use a lot of water just trying to keep it clean.

Anyway I'll try to get off Astroturf, but thanks for your answers!
 
See, John explained

it well enough! Jeff mentioned astro-turf, not I. He criricized Californians for using it because it's made from petreoleum, and wasn't green. I was proving it was a poor parallel to going green, conserving water, power, etc.
If you know, you know. If you don't see the forest for the tree's, you don't know, so you don't care, and keep wasting, polluting, and being ignorant to the climate and environment.
Enough preaching! Practice it!
 
Reply 53: "Jeff mentioned astro-turf, not I."

Yet you will see the first mention of Astroturf being in reply 44 written by Mike (vacerator), proving Mike's response to not be honest. Maybe not purposely lying, maybe he just not sure what's going on.

I do appreciate John's answering. It would often be better if those who couldn't answer didn't bother replying. If you don't know, learn or shut up.

I agree "enough preaching, practice it!" I wonder how many others here pay right around $40 a month in electric bills? And around half of that is regularly occurring monthly fees. My electric bill also includes my water bill as my water is pumped from the ground. My "lawn" is natural ground cover and doesn't get watered other than rain. Keep your wonderful green Astroturf, I sure don't want it.

I wonder how many here take a load of trash to the dump once each year? The rest is composted, recycled, or reused. I wonder how many here actually see, use, care for and enjoy the environment and the earth they seem to worship.

And yes, we don't need people fleeing a failed state coming here and trying to implement the same policies that caused their state to fail.

I see both the forest and the trees almost daily, do you?
 
I about forgot, I also heat almost entirely with a renewable resource, wood, which the OP mocked on another thread, though I actually took the comparison to Grizzly Adams as a compliment coming from him. Another thing that kind of shows the ignorance and arrogance of many urbanites.

I plan my trips and don't drive any more than I have to. So I'd also put my carbon footprint up against yours.
 
Jeff,

I used Astro turf as a reason for not watering lawns. You couldn't figure that out?
If that makes me dishonest, tough! I even told off a former politician at one of his rally's in 2016 because he's full iof crap!
I drive less than 5,000 miles per year. When we turned in our 2018 lease in 2021, it had 12,500 miles after years. Our current 2020 demo lease had 2,500 at inception, and 8,500 miles now after 15 months. I fill up once a month, and much is local trips.
When we travel, we usually fly. If aboroad like in Europe, we ride trains.
 

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