Replacing Washing Machine Solenoid Intake Valves.

[launderess]

My Miele W1070 needs a new hot water intake valve as the current on is dying a slow death.

Sadly part is NLA from MieleUSA and they won't give any other details on the thing for one to find ways to work around.

Know Miele did not make these water intake valves but sourced from another party. Pity for me is that my washer takes 110v/120v 60hz solenoids, while all over world Miele's other offerings use 220v/240v 50hz/60hz. So some tinkering seems to be in order.

Does anyone with a Miele w765, W1070, or W1065 happen to know the actual part number on hot water intake solenoid? Or maybe is willing to open up their washer and take a peek?

Know for 220v/240 the valve number is 1881621, but cannot find anything on 120v and that number would help me find proper spare.

If it's just the valve that is dying or dead can (IIRC) pop it out and swap in a new one. This is important for one main reason, keeping current plastic fitting with 3/4 hose fitting with 10.5 or 14 bore and 3x 12l per minute flow.

Can find plenty of 120v/60hz hot/cold water intake valves on fleaPay and elsewhere but American sourced parts don't list bore size nor flow rate. Also they are made for North American washing machine hoses instead of British Standard Pipe Thread (BSP). While a small bother it would mean possibly having to swap out standard Miele hoses for American ones, and am trying to limit how much this repair puts me out of pocket.

 

[gizmo]

Hi Launderess.

 

Miele solenoid valves are nothing special.

It sounds like they have the same pipe thread as European machines, which is good for you.

My suggestion is you order the European equivalent in a 220v valve, from a European or UK supplier.

When it arrives, swap over the 120v coil(s) to the new valve. The coils just pry up off the centre spikes.

 

However.....

the part you listed, 1881621, is a triple inlet valve and these are generally the cold valve. The hot valve is usually a single valve, not a 3 in 1. I can't understand why there would be a need for a triple hot inlet.

Can you have a peek inside, I bet there is a simple single valve for hot water inlet.

Again, they are generic (even more generic than the triples) and you can easily swap over the 120v coils to a new 220v valve.

 

You can even swap over just the internal rubber disc, which is the bit that will have hardened with age and slows flow.

To open the valve, (do the safety stuff like disconnect from power, turn off water, etc etc), disconnect wires from coil, pry coil up off valve body with a screwdriver. You will see the valve body has a central spike and around it the plastic top half has grooves around it, like pie segments. You put the tips of a pair of needle nose pliers into two opposite dimples between the grooves, and use the plier tips to unscrew the top off the valve. Open carefully, inside is a plunger and light spring up the spike, you need to catch them as you open up. In the valve body is a flat round diaphragm seal which controls the flow of water. With age, they get hard or split, which stops flow of water.  Replacing the diaphragm fixes the valve. You can't buy the diaphragm but you can buy a valve with the wrong voltage and swap the seal. I do it all the time, swapping in OK seals from scrapped washers. Most European washers of the same age as your Miele will use a compatible seal. I don't know if they all come from the same manufacturer, but I've never had trouble fitting seals from different brands of washer.  A few have the top glued so you can't open them, you never know your luck. Most don't.

 

Buying a hot valve from Europe or UK - very few machines of that vintage in Europe will have a hot water connection, most fill with cold and heat it up. Whirlpool had a few that were made in Italy and sold in Australia. AWM 293 - 600 was one that had a hot solenoid. UK-made Hotpoints did too for a long time. This should be an easy, low cost option. Just swap the original coil to the new valve. The coils don't often fail. Usually either the diaphragm fails or the strainer is just blocked... LG front loaders also use the same valve, at least on ones sold here. LG top loaders use their own, very different valve.

 

You should use a hot valve to replace a hot valve, the ones for hot water generally have a different grade of seal that can take the higher temperature. The manufacturers don't generally fit a hot-compatible seal to cold valves, that might cost an extra half cent and we couldn't do that, could we?

 

You have removed the hoses and checked the strainers that are set into the back of the valves, haven't you?

 

 

[thomasortega]

@launderess

If it helps, you can try from Brazil.

They have generic valves there and both in 120V or 240V 60Hz.

If your valve is very generic, you can try the Brastemp Mondial Push Button replacement valve. It had both hot and cold inlets and SEPARATE. Basically two very simple solenoids.

Email me a picture of the valve, I'll try to find one for you.

 

[launderess]

Thanks guys...

Reading through archives it seems according to most members virtually any solenoid of proper configuation will work in Miele washer long as voltage and frequency match. LG, Whirlpool, FP, Asko, Supco and others all make 120v/60hz single washing machine intake valves (that is the one I need, not triple, my bad).

Looks like 3/4 BSP is pretty standard for washing machine hose connections so may be good there as well.

 

[gizmo]

generic valves

Just check the diameter of the valve outlet looks the same too.

Some use larger diameter rubber hoses for the internal connections, I think the Miele is a finer hose. In fact I think the Whirlpool AWM693 I mentioned above has slightly fatter hoses than the Miele.

I reckon one for an Asko would be perfect fit, but buy generic, not genuine and save yourself a few bucks.

Thomas, do you think the Brazilian valve for Brastemp Mondial would have the same diameter outlet?

 

[launderess]

Yes, that is the maddening thing; most European solenoids give bore size and other information. OTOH North American products seem to give little besides voltage and frequency.

Going by this post from MisterEric who replaced the triple valve on his similar Miele w765 with something off the rack he did use new hoses. But more because the older ones in place were too kinked to be of use IIRC.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?79665

This does seem to be the most common single hot or cold water valve with 90 degree turn for front loaders of all makes sold in USA.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Replac...&brand=Samsung&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

 

[gizmo]

On your Miele, does the outlet of the valve (the barb that connects to the rubber hose inside the washer) point downwards or horizontal? The Samsung one you pictured is horizontal.

 

[launderess]

Horizontal

You can see in link to thread by another member who replaced his valves as well.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?31548

 

[thomasortega]

@gizmo

No idea about the diameter but I believe it will be the same whirlpool beaten path, the difference is that the world washer here had the hot and cold together and in Brazil they were two separate valves as they also had cold fill only versions and only one version (not popular enough to justify making valves only for it) was hot/cold.

 

[gizmo]

Horizontal but not what I meant...

Hi Launderess

The Samsung valve you showed is the wrong type.

Look at the barb in the photo reply #5 in the "Vintage Miele" thread you linked. The barb is at 90 degrees to the inlet, so the water flow turns the corner before it leaves the valve.

the Samsung valve you linked  - the photo on ebay doesn't show the outlet (helpful...) but I googled that part number and found this... https://www.sergeraln.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=663225 which show the barb points straight, which would leave the inner hose sticking in towards the machine where it would get damaged by the drum. You need to find a similar valve where the barb is at 90 degrees to the inlet. This will keep the rubber hose parallel to the back wall of the washer instead of poking back into the works.

 

Like this one... https://www.partsips.com/valve-part-5304492323

That number 5304492323 is the Frigidaire part number. You can shop around to see if a store near you stocks it, or can beat the price in this listing. It was the best price I found.  I think that part will do the job for you.

It has a small rubber seal around the barb which you would remove for the Miele. Very easy to remove.

 

Here is the Brastemp Mondial valve that Thomas was probably referring to:  https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br...kMzE2MTAtNjRkMS00YzcxLWE4Y2QtODAxYWJmMWU3M2M0

 

Brazilian currency Real (R$) is about 20 US cents so the Brazil price is a bargain, depending on postage. Temperatura Máxima do Líquido 60ºC so it's OK for hot water.  127V / 60Hz so correct voltage.  How's your Portuguese?

 

 

 

[DADoES]

 
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[gizmo]

Here it is...

https://partsdr.com/part/5304492323-valve