Bosch condenser or Miele heat pump dryer?

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I am debating between a Bosch 300 series condenser dryer and a Miele T1 classic heat pump dryer. I have a vented dryer now but the vent went through the old window pane and we replaced the window so now are looking for a ventless machine. I'm in Canada.

If cost were equal I'd get the Miele. I have a Miele washer and love it.
Bosch 300 $1090
Miele T1 classic $2000

We have a heat pump water heater that cools the large laundry/utility room so the heat emitted from a condenser dryer is not necessarily a big deal. We hang dry a lot but am expecting a 2nd child soon and imagine I will want to use the dryer for convenience more with 2 little ones.

I'm looking for feedback or recommendations regarding the Bosch condenser dryer. I'm confident the Miele would be a great choice but at double the cost I'm not sure it's worth it for a dryer. Any advice is appreciated!
 
Heat pumps

I adore heatpump dryers. They use 70% less energy compared to other dryers, both vented and normal condenser.

The heating of the room is the lesser issue with normal condensers, the temperature inside is a big concern (for me, at least).
Target temperature for Bosch dryers is 85C (thats 185F), the low temp option drops that to 75C (or about 170F).

Great for sanitizing, horrific for a lot of stuff.
There a cycles that go lower, but for large loads cycle times then grow rapidly.
And they just have to run hot to dry efficently - the lower the gradient between inside temperature and room air the slower the drying.

A heatpump dryer never goes over 140F, basically.
I yet have to experience any major shrinking.
Drying results are certainly different - a lot of people aren't used to the feel of cool dry laundry out of a dryer, so might find it usefull to bump up drying level to "feel" the laundry as dry even though it might be just fine otherwise.

If you have a Miele I assume you have 1600rpm spin model?
Then both types of dryers should finish any load in less than 2h, give or take.
Not sure about which variant Miele is using the NA market, but I have the higher efficency version of the two over here and the longest load to dry is my load of underwear and T-Shirts which is comprised of up to 30 T-Shirts plus 2 weeks worth of underwear and that usually is done in 2h give or take.
My towels are often done quicker as they just weigh less and dry pretty fast in the high airflow.

Main downside is filter cleaning as most heatpump dryers have some more filters, though some have unified the filters into one unit in the door area (quite a nice design, though there is debate on if that makes the heat exchanger block quicker).

Samsung CA offers an HP dryer for a litte more than the Bosch, Costco CA has it listed for 1150:
https://www.costco.ca/samsung-4.0-c...h-heat-pump-technology.product.100538254.html
Quality is quality there, but surely worth a look - as it is basically a carbon copy of an EU design I can tell you that while not exceedingly durable, their dryers are not terrible like some people describe the US machines.

Not sure if you are limited space wise, but Whirlpool has a full size ventless heatpump on offer for about 1600$.
Main issue with compact dryers is that they really are small, even when paired with a compact washer. Sheets tend to tangle and creasing will be increased.
So having that additional space in the drum (almost twice the size, basically) will certainly help with results.
And it has the HybridCare system which can boost drying speed in tradeoff for efficency - but in general it won't be much fast even though it is larger.
https://wagnerappliances.ca/products/whirlpool-7-4-cu-ft-dryer-ywhd560chw-white

Just for completness I'd mention that Whirlpool has an HP compact dryer aswell priced las low as 800$ at Lowes.
My family actually owns one of that design over here and we are generally quite happy with it.
It isn't a particulary fast design, not generally the best performer (tangeling, as often common). The filter is quite annoying and needs changing once a year with our use as it's plugged and starting to fall apart, but a new sponge is a fiver and that's that.
I'd go with the Samsung instead, much more user friendly, though, and quality is on par if not better with it.
https://www.whirlpool.ca/en_ca/laun...-dryer.ywhd5090gw.html?originVariantsOrder=WH

Unfortunaltley there appears to be no Arcrelik sourced brand in CA yet.
USA has gotten Blomberg and Beko - their main brand sover here - and their HP dryers are pretty good price/performance wise.
Can tangle aswell, but dry much nicer than the WP ones in my opinion and are a breeze with maintenance.

So, yes, TL:DR:
Before spending the 1100$ on a Bosch condenser that does not reverse tumble, get a cheap HP from Samsung or such.
 
Thanks for your informative reply! I have a Miele washer that spins at 1500rpm (W1753 purchased last summer). It's a 240V machine but I have a Miele splitter for my one 240V plug. I should have mentioned that I also need the dryer to be a max of 15 amps for me to be able to run it on the splitter and use the washer and dryer at the same time. The Miele heat pump dryer actually uses a standard 120V plug so that's not an issue.

The Bosch uses 317kwh/year vs. 125kwh/year per the government energy star testing. The cost difference is about $20/year in electricity so not enough to justify the Miele alone. I appreciate your point about the drying temperatures of the Bosch. I could not find this information online and was under the impression that the Bosch also dries gentler than a standard dryer but those temperatures are pretty hot, especially the "low temp" option!

I have looked at the HP dryer options you provided that are available in Canada. I am very against Samsung due to the poor reliability of their washer/dryers in NA. The Whirlpool is an interesting option but it has a fair number of reviews of people who have had an early failure of the machine - something I don't want to have to deal with.

We do have a Blomberg HP dryer here but it sells for $1950 which is basically the same as the Miele so in that case I'd rather get a Miele. :)

I was hoping the Bosch would be good enough for my use but I'm a bit worried about the high drying temperatures.
 
T1 hands down

We have a Miele Little Giant condenser dryer and the T1 heat pump dryer. Bought the heat pump b/c the condenser was taking too long to dry. I figured that with the speed of my Little Giant washer, I could have 2 dryers going at once. Well, i was wrong, the T1 dry time matches the LiGi times. I don’t use the condenser much anymore.
Other things to consider- I’ve found that the condenser runs hot, even on half heat. I was shrinking a lot of shirts. the heat pump is much more gentle, even though its dry time is faster.
The heat pump is much easier to maintain. Just the plinth filter to rinse out, instead of all the lint in the air path plus rinsing the condenser unit and wiping the area out around it.
I prefer, though, sheets dried in the condenser to the t1, same sheets softer and much less wrinkled.
Also, heat pump is cheaper to run. Our power bill went down.
 
Heat pump all the way. I've had an AEG heat pump dryer for a few years now and love how it dries almost anything without shrinkage. Dries fast as well. I recently moved into a new house and although I bought my AEG washer and Dryer with me the old owners left a brand new Bosch Heat Pump dryer ( and a Bosch washer ) in situ in the laundry room.

I thought I would keep them in place and use them. I ran a few washes through them and promptly disconnected them and replaced them with my AEG's.

The dryer runs so hot. If I opened the door to check the clothes through the cycle I usually had to drop the clothes on the floor and wait for the stream to vanish as they felt scolding hot. T.shirts have been noticeably shrunk. Bedding was thrown into such a tight ball. I gave up after three attempts and hung the sheets over the doors to dry.
 
Best Non-Vented Dryer For You

Why not save your money and keep using your current dryer that works great ?

 

Yes I get that you don't want to cut through your new window, but in cooler weather you can vent inside by building a very good filter box with a high quality pleated filter and filter out nearly all dust and lint.

 

And if you want to use the dryer much in warm or hot weather you can use a flexible temporary vent hose that can be positioned through an open window with a window plate to fill the space around the vent hose.

 

As to the best ventless dryer currently available I would get the full sized WP Heat-Pump Hybrid the other dryers are just too small and slow if you do much laundry or want to dry large things like queen and king sized comforters for example.

 

John L.
 
Thanks for all of the replies!

aamassther - your direct experience with Miele condenser vs. heat pump dryers is very useful and pushes me towards the heat pump

stevefromsydney - I wonder why your Bosch heat pump gets so hot? From what I understand the Miele doesn't get very hot. Fingers crossed!

John L. - This is an interesting suggestion. I have been hang drying since March and using the current dryer with the vent out the opened window for towels only since they feel like cardboard when line dried. My dryer uses >15amps to run so I can't run the washer and dryer at the same time. I would like this option for the long term future. You're the second person to suggest the WP full sized hybrid so I will look into this more.
 
I've got all three types in Miele, Vented, Condenser and Heatpump.

I've gradually been selling off my Condenser dryers and keeping the vented and heatpump units.

I've always found the condensers get way to hot, in summer when the ambient temp is above 30C, it can take 3 plus hours to dry, if it ever finishes and the Miele ones at least impart a faint petrochemical smell to the clothes.

On top of that, elastic on briefs wrinkles slightly and knit fabrics shrink a lot more. Using Low Temp makes no difference, things are just less baked.

Maintenance wise, I find the Condensor is more effort to keep clean than the Heatpump. With the condenser, every 3 months or so, you have to remove the condensor (At least with the Miele) and scrub/soak it with a brush. With the T1 Heatpump, you give the secondary filter a quick wipe with a damp cloth to get the bulk off, rinse under running water and your then good to ago again for another 30 or so loads.
 
Been several years on now, and think have only used my AEG Lavatherm condenser dryer a handful of times.

Weather here is increasingly warm and humid, or cool and damp. Neither moves one to add yet more moisture to indoor air by using condenser dryer. So things go into the Whirlpool vented portable

If someone locally is ever letting go of a Miele or other heat pump dryer might be tempted. But something would have to go as don't have room to warehouse another dryer.

People around here either swear by their heat pump dyers, or swear at them.... *LOL*

For many especially in new construction apartments there just isn't any way to have a vented dryer. Thus they're stuck with either condenser or heat pump. Neither dry fast as what most are used to so they cannot do multiple loads per day.

Neighbor rarely uses her Miele heat pump dryer. Just takes wash around to local laundromat and bungs everything into those large dryers. Twenty to thirty minutes or less, she's done...

Don't tumble dry sheets, they are hung up until damp dry enough for ironing. Then either go through one of my rotary irons, or done by hand.

On few occasions did try using Lavatherm for sheets (they were sateen) things bunched up terribly, even with reverse tumbling pattern. Never bothered much afterwards. [this post was last edited: 6/10/2021-01:23]
 
I was all ready to place my order for the T1 (TWB120WP) and I learned Miele now charges $650 to deliver to my rural location! I bought a Miele washer less than a year ago delivered to the same house for $120.

Jkbff - I wish I could buy it from the USA as $1200USD is much less than $2000CAD. Tariffs?

Despite all of the useful feedback recommending the heat pump over condenser dryer technology, I might end up with the Bosch condenser…

I saw a new heat pump option available to me in Canada by Insignia (Best Buy store brand) for only $850 but I can’t figure out who it’s made by and it has very few reviews as it’s new. Definitely worried it’s of poor quality at that price…

 
That's a Midea design

Very entry level over here.
Performance OK, quality meh, service oh-god-no.
Parts are relatively cheap though!
But still much better than a normal condenser IMO...

Though that being said, the Samsung would still be a better option.
I'd dare to say the compact Samsung machines in NA are 100% the same machines as over here and thus honestly not comparable to what people think of as Samsung.
Again, not Miele, but way better than Midea.

On that note, as you linked bestbuy, they have the Miele at 2k$ aswell.

So they might offer cheaper shipping to your location?
 
Amandment to that

BestBuys extended warranty plans appear to be priced very reasonably.

That Insignia dryer plus 5 years of coverage comes in at under half the Mieles price.
Can't comment on BestBuys behaviour, but over here in the EU, the store I work at has pretty much the same dryer listed under our store brand and more often than not, if there is a call out on an extended warranty - or even just normal warranty - if there is no fix on the first call, we tend to just swap the machines out.
These machines are so cheap that having a tech come out a second time is just more expensive than just replacing it completely.

Funny story:
A family I had the pleasure to take care of when our store was still opened in December had the entry line washing machine from our store brand that was just 3 months old.

One of the drum paddles broke loose.
Service tech came and condemned the machine for a 3€ part simply because he had ordered the part was ordered before the scheduled appointment but had alead time of 12 weeks.
Him coming back would have been to expensive.

So I had our delivery team collect the machine and set up the new one.
Had to convince THEM to take the new machine as they insisted they would rather just have the 3€ part.
They had a brand new machine, their warranty including extended warranty started from scratch AND since the price of the machine dropped, they got money back.

And the manufacturer (Vestel, in that case) just had us scrap the machine and reimbursed us for the entire cost; yet I would have had 0 chance to get reimbursed if I had ordered the part.
House brands are often so bargain basement that their sometimes spotty quality can become almost an upside.
 
Difference in prices for Miele appliances between Canada and USA probably has something to do with a mix of tariffs and exchange rates.

USD always exchanges for more in Canadian money, while reverse is true otherwise.

That is buying something in Canada with USD is cheaper, but if you buy something in USA and pay with Canadian money it costs more. You see this on sites like fleaPay that do the conversion in prices automatically and show results.

Only way to get a Miele USA appliance up north or vice versa is to find a private buyer who either is selling one, and or go and buy it oneself and bring it back across border.

Each of the Miele North American divisions are technically separate (USA, Mexico and Canada). You cannot even order parts from say Canada and have them shipped to USA or vice versa. One has tried and got the same standard explanation.
 
"I learned Miele now charges $650 to deliver to my rural

Miele North America has been undergoing many changes the past year or so. Much of this has to do with a change in management that shook things up. New people were put into key positions and obviously made changes, some good, others not so much depending upon which side of fence one sits.

One can only guess (and hope) increase in delivery charges means your local Miele has upped their game. That is instead of using third party delivery/install people, Miele is using either in house personnel, or at least a better quality of trained third party people.
 
Henene4 - thanks for the Insignia brand information! Do you know how many amps the Samsung heat pump dryer draws? The information online states it’s 240v and requires a 30 amp plug but I can’t see a heat pump dryer actually using 30 amps. I’ve read the manual and called Samsung but no luck. The only way I know to find out is to look at the electrical information on the machine. I don’t live near any places that have these on the floor to check. I have to use a Miele splitter due to my 240V washer so the max amps my new dryer can draw is 15 amps per the splitter requirement because I’d like the option to run both the washer and dryer at the same time.
 
Bosch heat pump dryer

I got a Bosch used and told it was not drying properly, It was the same old story of limescale all over the filter which was preventing air flow and these machines require a lot of air to dry properly so a clean of the filter and seal up of the condenser that previous owner had cut open to clean it even though it was a SELF cleaning condenser !!! Go figure. So after being cleaned and tested it turned out to be one of the best dryers I have used its my 3rd heat pump and although it only goes in one direction it has a Dildo sticking out the back off the drum like the Midea has and sadly it will bunch fitted sheets but if you take them out and reload its very quick at drying, Has a towels cycle which so I am told it gets a little help from a heater and it will dry a load of towels in less than an hour which is most impressive..

Austin
 
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