95° degree wash

[rudin1969]

I am aware this issue has been raised several times in the past, but I'm still none too sure what kind of garments I should wash (if any at all) at 95 degrees. What about 75? I've got this option in my MIELE WT2670 washer dryer but I haven't used it so far
andrea

 

[vivalalavatrice]

ANDRE!

Intanto ti saluto e mi complimento con te per aver finalmetne superato la "timidezza" e vederti (anzi leggerti :-D) finalmente qui!

After this wellcoming and greetins to my friend I swap again on english and answer him to let everyone understand...

95°C I think is an exageration... at end if you do a pre-wash (and why not more than one... so 1-2 prewash! as the second Ignis serie TL did) 55-60°C is the temperature which kill germs and bacterias...so if you use the right amount of detergent the result would be good the same...
Imagine that the new Indesit moon has got (apart from the possibility of cold wash which I don't either know if really exists) only 3 temperatures: 30-40-60...so the highest is 60°C!!

Underwear, table-towels, pillowcases, bathtowels...so those garments that generally come in touhc with skin so have to be not only washed, rinsed and spun..but have to be also disinfected...is not an hygienistic question but a question of hygien. In case you wanted to avoid the prewash and the dirt level were so hard then these would be items to be washed at the highest temperature...

BYE
Diomede

PS:75 is enoughe the same :-D

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Wash parameters hierarchy

BTW, this has been one of the argument of my tesi thus saw that this thread get the opportunity to speak of this I do:

Sorting the laundry is the first step during which the users will eastablish what will the wash parameters be set onto the machine to do the wash:

WHITE-COLOURS -----> this first step decided the temperature, because generally whites can be washed at ah higher temp than colours
COTTON-SYNT-DEL ---> this second step should be performed to decide the wash/spin action...so the cycle
SOIL--------------------------> at end the soil level is needed to set the time so that the harder is the soil the longer is the wash (AND NOT THE HIGHER IS THE TEMPERATURES!!!)

This is only a "theory", because none of us I think exactly do this sorting the laundry and none of us of course can set those parameters on its washer...well in truth old American washing machine allowed you to do this...temp/action by puschbuttons and the timer controlknob to set the time according with the soil level...now neither the American wm can do this, mostly cycles are PRE-selected and if you set Cotton, you can set the cycle, the temp but not the duration of the cycle... or if you have the RAPDI cycle you couldn't set someone of the other parameters like i.e. the action (gentle/normal)

Diomede

 

[sudsmaster]

200F/95C is good for bleaching whites.

Realistically, 95C/200F is appropriate for white cottons - like cloth diapers. Or for colors if you don't care if they fade to pastels. Synthetics like polyester should be able to take 200F as well, or so I understand. Anything with elastic or rubber in it, shouldn't be washed much above 160F(60C?).

Diomede is 100% correct, in that 65C (170F?) is more than enough with a good powdered alkaline detergent to kill most if not all motile germs.

Bear in mind that even at 200F, some bacterial spores will still survive, and of course you will contaminate the laundry the minute you touch it with bare hands. 250F at 15lbs steam pressure (autoclave or pressure cooker/canning conditions) for at least 15 minutes is required for real disinfection. And then even prions will survive (you have to use a blow torch to kill 'em).

 

[mielabor]

I think that 60C is high enough to clean and bleach, but it works faster at 95C. As for myself, I have only a very limited timeframe for washing each evening (it disturbs my downstairs neighbour. I also had to stop using the dryer in the morning, the humming noise woke him up) and I want to complete a washing cycle within 75 minutes so I choose 95C for washing whites.

 

[passatdoc]

a little video for lalavatrice

My Italian vocabulary is limited to the dialogue in the following video:



Nearly every American will recognize it. It was also featured in the film "Pretty Woman".

 

[vivalalavatrice]

LOL!

It's really amazing...I think my nana's still made wine like those old women did...

I really don't know if does TURO really exist...:-?? I think it's an american invented "italian" city name...the panorama at the beginning though I think is Lazio-Campania, somewhere in the center-south of Italy...

Anyway I thought it was a completely american subtitled italian movie instead this is only an act... obviously we can understand even the no-subtitled sentences

THANKS
Diomede

 

[passatdoc]

they did better than I thought if they fooled an Italian

That was an episode from "I Love Lucy", one of the most famous American tv comedies in history. In that episode, they are travelling in Italy by train. As they arrive in Rome, they are "discovered" by an Italian film director, Vittorio Felipe, who is modelled after Vittoria di Sicca or Roberto Rosellini. He wants Lucy to be in his new film, which is in production in Rome.

Lucy sees an article about the film in an Italian magazine, and learns that the title of the film is "Bitter Grapes". She mistakenly assumes that the film concerns the wine industry, so she travels to a fictional town outside of Rome (Turo), which is the only town left in Italy where they still make wine the old way, instead of with modern machinery. Actually, the title is only symbolic. But Lucy feels she must learn all about the wine industry first-hand, and the result as usual is disaster.

They intended this to look like an Italian movie of the 1950s, with English subtitles. It was filmed on a stage in a tv studio IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE, as modern comedies are filmed today. So that entire village was recreated on a set. The reference to Ingrid Bergman was because she was living in Italy at the time (as Signora Rosselini...but that wedding wasn't a Catholic ceremony, that is for sure!).

Here are some segments from the episode before the grape vat.

On the train:

Arrival in Roma:

Meeting with Vittorio AFTER the grape vat disaster:



I can only add one link to this post, so you will need to copy and paste these links to view them. Ciao!!!

 

[passatdoc]

ps

When Fred says "boy, when it comes to soaking up local color, you don't mess around", it has a double meaning. "Soaking up local color" can mean that you learn the local culture from interaction with the native residents, or in Lucy's case, it means she cannot wash the grape juice out of her hair and skin!

It turns out that Vittorio only wanted Lucy to play a typical American tourist visiting in Rome.

 

[passatdoc]

Magnani

I believe that Lucy and Ethel modelled their "Arrivederci, mi amore...." after Anna Magnani. This was a little bit before the time of Sophia Loren or Gina Lolabrigida. But Magnani was well known and had won an Academy Award for best actress...speaking more Italian than English!

 

[passatdoc]

ps #2

In the clip on the train, where Vittorio makes his film offer, Lucy says "the calla lillies are in bloom again". That is a FAMOUS line from the film "Stage Door", but the line was spoken by Katherine Hepburn, who was the lead role in that film. Lucille Ball (Lucy) was a co-star in that 1937 film.

Lucy begins by speaking the line as Hepburn spoke it, then changes it to "MAMA MIA, those-a calla lillies, they-a got so-a big..." using an American stereotype of how Italians are supposed to speak. (maybe true if you base it on Sicilian immigrants from 1905.....)

 

[vivalalavatrice]

(maybe true if you base it on Sicilian immigrants from 1905.

...I'm really speechless of how many things you told me...I'm reading really interested...you have to be very appasioned of movies aren't you?

Don't worry... my father's from Trapani (I can speak Sicilian either if you want...not able to write it though), he's coming back after 2 weeks there just tonight (we live now in north of Italy)

My Granfather worked in New York from 1924 to 1932, and I've got lot of relatives over there in the States...

 

[passatdoc]

check out Little Italy, San Diego

Close to the neighborhood where I grew up

And don't forget Our Lady of the Rosary Catholic Church....missa in italiano primera dominga della messa (or something like that....)

http://www.olrsd.org/services.php

Movie trivia tip of the day: the real name of actress Anne Bancroft was....ANNA MARIA ITALIANO. When she portrays New York Italians, she isn't acting...she is simply imitating her relatives!

http://www.littleitalysd.com/splash/index.asp

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[passatdoc]

ps #2

and yes I know the maiden (original) name of Sophia Loren as well. Sophia Scicolone, d'Napoli. Bella bambina!!