A&H detergent...Made in USA with imported parts???

[kenmoreguy89]

Which parts are they talking about?
Well, all of american detergents brands, both known and not are Made in the USA.
What is the part which isn't made in usa in the Arm & Hammer? The bottle? The cap? Or the detergent itself?
This is maybe a mistake....
Odd thing, isn't it?

Robot or human?

 

[yogitunes]

interesting idea....and their not posting in their website either about it...at least not yet...

interesting enough is that it is Maufactured in the USA for Church & Dwight Co. Inc., Princeton, NJ 08543....

this web site is offering a lot of info about their products, and other stuff they make, plus available coupons...theres some useful information too...

A & H products have always seemed to do a nice cleaning job, and leave a clean fresh scent....

I just got a 3 gallon bucket of the powder....220 loads for 15.00....I mis not getting the bucket from Sears Ultra Plus, they come in handy!

Arm and Hammer Home Page

Arm and Hammer Home Page

www.armandhammer.com

 

[whirlcool]

That's total BS. When a product states that it's "Made in USA" it should be made of 100% US content. When I see something like you are pointing out I translate it to "Made in the USA from parts sourced in China". And you are right, the US content could be as little as the bottle cap.

Totally dispicable.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Well, I'm with you Allen about products stating Made in the USA they should be totally Made in USA, when I read sentences like that I also think about China.
My question was rhetoric about this detergent being the only (second Walmart) partially Made in USA with imported parts, so I was wondering what of this finished product makes it, partially made in USA...

The bottle, cap or spout, or some of it's ingredients?
Also, other listings of A&H liquid does not have that label...so is it only for the big jug?
BTW the big jug mention made in the USA on it...like do all the others sizes...
Anyway, this label on listing came with the changes of the walmart website...
last month didn't have it.

Walmart says:
Made in the USA
This product was made and assembled in USA with imported parts or packaging. Look for the Made in the USA logo to help support U.S. jobs. Learn more about

So packaging may be the part made outside USA...
Anyway, that's a swindle for sure.... so with buying items made with imported parts but assembled in USA you would support US jobs????
What about buying items fully made in USA? From what I know Surf, All, Wisk, Tide,Gain, Sun, Fresh Start, Era, Purex etc and all of american detergents except Fab that is made in canada, says Made in USA too and probably are fully made in USA, so what's the matter with putting the label Made in USA for this bottle only? Not to mention the questionable speech about supoorting US jobs?
Odd thing....

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[kenmoreguy64]

There is almost nothing these days with 100% U.S. origin.

In days gone by, we were always satisfied with "Made in USA" as the statement was referring to final assembly and didn't look for further explanation. I noticed some U.S. car maker's products last week are down to 30 or 40% U.S. content. Even some of the last vestiges of true U.S. origin auto manufacturing (the Ford Ranger, which finished production at the end of 2011) were showing U.S. percentage down to 60 or 65%. Wiring harnesses for Whirlpool come from Surgere in Mexico, electronics from Asia, and similar situations are done even in Ripon WI at Alliance Mfg.

In the case of this detergent, there are very likely to be imported pigments in the colorant for the bottle and cap, especially in blue colored parts. Some of the cobalt blue pigments come from Africa believe it or not. The in-mold graphic label could have been printed in Mexico, and a few of the ingredients in the detergent itself may be imported. Remember that the Tsunami in Japan knocked out a paint pigment company that supplied Toyota and even Ford and Chrysler. These Japanese pigments for the paint count-off on the U.S. parts content quotent.

Its a fact of life folks, we will be very hard pressed to find anything with 100% U.S. content due to the global economy, and cheaper off-shore labor. We owe litigation and lawsuits for the distinction now for statements specifying U.S. assembly with foreign compoents, and we have ourselves as a consumer body for demanding lowest prices, which forced manufacturers to look for lesser expensive ways to remain profitable.

Gordon

 

[mich]

The A&H Detergent, was made by a company called Church & Dwight, out of New Jersey.

IMHO, the Detergent is practically useless. It's nothing more then Surfactant & Water Softener, almost on par with Dollar/Bargain brand quality. Some Liquid Bottles claim to have "oxi-clean" or "oxi" but last time I checked, only there powder had sodium per-carbonate.

The Arm & Hammer name itself is very valuable to americans (as, pretty much everyones parents and older folks have used Baking Soda before). It's a subpar quality detergent imo, you'd be better off actually using Purex (which now has Enzymes) or ALL, or TOL Tide & Wisk.

It's worth mentioning however, that most american (domestic-ed) detergents are manufactored here. (Church & Dwlight, Procter & Gamble, Sun Products Corp, Unliever,etc)

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Yes, right,it is still made by Church& Dwight of course, not sure if princeton or establisment for laundry detergents is elsewhere.... I've used A&H liquid several times before and if you want my opinion I find it way better than liquid Tide or Wisk!
Is what I'm currently using (for light soiled), I purchased it again because I missed it's awesome scent, even though as you know I don't like liquids... they, generally, IMO does not wash well like powders, but heck the liquid A&H smells wonderful!
Actually the bottle I've says: "may contain enzymes"... well, a vague statement...but I think it does...
Liquid Purex IMO does not work....
Yes most american known brands of detergents are all made in USA, as I also mentioned.... but in case of Fab (PB) for example, their powders are Made in Canada.
Yes Arm&Hammer is very familiar to americans because it's a long time baking soda producer also(the main) and for production of many oral care and personal hygiene care products also, and not only USA... Chirch and Dwight also own other brnds such Oxy Clean etc...the brand is also present in UK and Brazil...
Not the best...probably...but good value for money, I heard badly about the powders, so I'm not going to try it...
Anyway...sticking to the question I still have to get that "Made in USA W/imported parts" lable they did put for it in the walmart website...why only in the A&H listing? It's the only one Made in USA with imported parts? If so why do not put a lable on Tide, Cheer, Sun etc for example? Stating the same, or if they're 100% made in US stating this, which would be of course better than "partially"?
What's the sense just for the big bottle of Arm&Hammer then?

 

[mich]

I heard that Walmart is trying out this "Made In USA" program again, and they've been contacting companies, to see what they can tag as American. I'm guessing they contacted C&D before a few other companies.

As for the Detergent itself... Here's the MSDS Ingredient Listing.

 

[mich]

What's interesting is Consumer Reports considers the whole A&H line to be NON-HE, High Sudsing Detergent, none the less, it's not tested in the HE Category, so the results are not fair, imho. However, The Detergent itself is still poorly rated in the Top Loader/Traditional Washer Category.

Freddy, I'm sending you a PDF with the Test Results. I can't post PDF's on here.

As for A&H they dominate the 2nd largest share of the Laundry Market, just behind Procter & Gamble (makers of Tide, Downy, Gain, Era) This is really impressive to me, honestly, considering that they have almost zero advertising whatsoever, but there name..

I wanna write more.. but I gotta go. I'll be online later

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Thank you for the PDF but I do never trust these ratings as IMO they're set up with fully non-sense, and also under parfumed bribes.... never did for any product.....
Regarding A&H, I don't know why they didn't put it in the HE section, or both.....
Probably I think is because most of their products being "polivalent" but not all, (Big bottles of Clean Burst for example are always marked HE safe and does not exist a big bottle "non-HE", for small bottle looks like they got two versions indeed) so they did just put it in the Top loader washer section to be on safer side, besides, the HE logo in A&H liquids is very small, and as I said they does not make a very clear distinction for them like for es P&G, or Purex does....
Anyway, I found it laughable also the fact they can mark as "good" cleanability some that even didn't get clean the stains and kinds of dirts they mentioned...how can a detergent being rated good when it does not even get clean dust sebum or blood dirt/stains??? Ahahahahah!
Then I also want to see dosification used for each of the product, the machines used etc...


But again..... these comsumer ratings stuff are always been total bull****s IMO.... for too many reasons....

I'm rather interested in the ingredients chart if the A&H, I'm impressed to see it has no enzymes!!! Wow! I'd have never thought that a detergent without enzymes would like me more than another with them (I'm talking about the liquid Tide that I almost hate for it's cleaning un-ability even for stupidest dirts and stains)....
A&H always did a decent job, of course I don't expect to get motor oil, pasta sauce red oil, or weeks old blood and grass stains out of it or any liquid, because all liquids I tried never did, of course differently than for Ex Tide powder or the most of powders from me tried that easily does...
But it was not even able to wash well a stupid 2 days mustard stain, or a fresh egg and milk one....
A thing that indeed A&h just did greatly in the last load I did...
Anyway.....my next try will be some Gain liquid (never tried) that I got togheter with the Arm& Hammer bottle in my last purchase ( BTW made from walmart)....[this post was last edited: 6/7/2013-14:13]

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Sorry....wrong picture (It was one took yesterday for a detergent sending I'm doing to a member)...
Here is the correct one: