Gordon, I'm assuming the original dispenser had timed bleach & softner mechanisms. If not, kind of defeats the auto soak to wash detergent dispenser feature.
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strongenough78
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Great Job!!!
You cleaned that machine up beautifully! What was with all the soap residue in that Baby? I take it these people were some serious over soapers. When do we get to see a video of her in action?
You cleaned that machine up beautifully! What was with all the soap residue in that Baby? I take it these people were some serious over soapers. When do we get to see a video of her in action?
Beautiful clean up on the Kenmore. Kind of cool to see "energy saver" labels over the controls. We were aware of energy costs back then, after waiting in line to buy gas. Then we went back to fantasy world for another 3 decades. This alone should make that Kenmore a collectible. alr2903
redcarpetdrew
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Well, Gordon... If you don't need the spare console now... LOL!
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Nice work, Gordon! That was one nasty old girl but your makeover is stunning.
That machine and matching dryer was at an estate sale a couple of years ago. They were like new! I stared for a long time as it was one of the Kenmores I would loved as a kid - that detergent dispenser was just too cool. I looked all over for that box at the sale and couldn't find it. I didn't buy the washer but I did get my Ironrite there and a friend of mine now owns the house.
Good to see it again - congrats on a rather rare machine.
That machine and matching dryer was at an estate sale a couple of years ago. They were like new! I stared for a long time as it was one of the Kenmores I would loved as a kid - that detergent dispenser was just too cool. I looked all over for that box at the sale and couldn't find it. I didn't buy the washer but I did get my Ironrite there and a friend of mine now owns the house.
Good to see it again - congrats on a rather rare machine.
Looks like I've got a bunch of questions to answer...
I wasn't online at all yesterday, so I'm sorry I missed a few questions.
Yes, the machine was in service, but the house it was in was a rental and I don't know how long it had been empty. The woodgrain looks like it has some clear-coat peeling going on, which I've never seen before.
Bob - The detergent dispenser is timed and timer operated in the main wash cycles. The bleach is a regular hose-to-tub version, and the softener dispenser was agitator mounted.
As to over-soapers - I don't know if they were or not, I haven't removed the basket to see if there is any residue (or how much) in the outer tub. They were definitely careless with it though, as it was on every horizontal surface.
These machines were energy savers for their time - they even re-designed the mixing valve back then to use 50/50 hot and cold mixes, vs. the previous 60/40, which saved hot water use. Any machine I have that has an original valve is noticeably warmer...
Andy - YES, lol I want that other panel. You are still very much THE MAN! I'll put the second machine back together then I'll see which one calls to me loudest, and will offer the other to the club.
Thanks for all the comments folks - I like this rare machine!
Gordon
I wasn't online at all yesterday, so I'm sorry I missed a few questions.
Yes, the machine was in service, but the house it was in was a rental and I don't know how long it had been empty. The woodgrain looks like it has some clear-coat peeling going on, which I've never seen before.
Bob - The detergent dispenser is timed and timer operated in the main wash cycles. The bleach is a regular hose-to-tub version, and the softener dispenser was agitator mounted.
As to over-soapers - I don't know if they were or not, I haven't removed the basket to see if there is any residue (or how much) in the outer tub. They were definitely careless with it though, as it was on every horizontal surface.
These machines were energy savers for their time - they even re-designed the mixing valve back then to use 50/50 hot and cold mixes, vs. the previous 60/40, which saved hot water use. Any machine I have that has an original valve is noticeably warmer...
Andy - YES, lol I want that other panel. You are still very much THE MAN! I'll put the second machine back together then I'll see which one calls to me loudest, and will offer the other to the club.
Thanks for all the comments folks - I like this rare machine!
Gordon
MickeyD.....
Dude, I missed one of your questions! :-(
The spin increment you're talking about in the timer was an evolutionary change made to all Kenmores in the first half of the 70s. This even affected some (not all) replacement timers for earlier machines. Instead of a two-minute first spin with sprays followed by a 2 minute regular spin before the rinse, the second 2-minute spin was eliminated in favor of a longer neutral drain period, to allow machines just like this one (with the biggest tub and slowest pump) to fully empty before they start to spin.
As an example, my 1972 Kenmore 60-series (I haven't talked much about it here) is a standard cap. machine with the old-configuration spins. It drains for two minutes then gets on with it and goes into spin. That same timer was used in a large capacity machine in 1973, and I am sure that in some machines with a long or up-hill drain hose, they used more than 2 minutes to drain. So, the machine was left trying to spin partially filled (TOUGH on a BD).
Replacement timers for both those machines now sub to a new version with shorter spin and more idle time, which eliminates the flooded spin. This also lessens wear on the centerpost bearings from essentially unnecessary spin time.
As to the spin speed, the large cap BDs actually spin a tiny bit slower in RPMs than the standard machines, BUT what most fail to consider here is that the larger diameter of the tub causes a significant enough increase in centrifical forse to extract BETTER than a standard tub model. WP even states this in their introduction of the 18lb. machines to the technicians in the late 60s.
Gordon
Dude, I missed one of your questions! :-(
The spin increment you're talking about in the timer was an evolutionary change made to all Kenmores in the first half of the 70s. This even affected some (not all) replacement timers for earlier machines. Instead of a two-minute first spin with sprays followed by a 2 minute regular spin before the rinse, the second 2-minute spin was eliminated in favor of a longer neutral drain period, to allow machines just like this one (with the biggest tub and slowest pump) to fully empty before they start to spin.
As an example, my 1972 Kenmore 60-series (I haven't talked much about it here) is a standard cap. machine with the old-configuration spins. It drains for two minutes then gets on with it and goes into spin. That same timer was used in a large capacity machine in 1973, and I am sure that in some machines with a long or up-hill drain hose, they used more than 2 minutes to drain. So, the machine was left trying to spin partially filled (TOUGH on a BD).
Replacement timers for both those machines now sub to a new version with shorter spin and more idle time, which eliminates the flooded spin. This also lessens wear on the centerpost bearings from essentially unnecessary spin time.
As to the spin speed, the large cap BDs actually spin a tiny bit slower in RPMs than the standard machines, BUT what most fail to consider here is that the larger diameter of the tub causes a significant enough increase in centrifical forse to extract BETTER than a standard tub model. WP even states this in their introduction of the 18lb. machines to the technicians in the late 60s.
Gordon
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Hi Gordon, I've been trying to reach you. Do you still want the 1980 kenmore washer I have for you? Please give me a call or email me,and congratulations on your kenmores! Very best regards,Walt (585)735-5889
Hi Gordon, I've been trying to reach you. Do you still want the 1980 kenmore washer I have for you? Please give me a call or email me,and congratulations on your kenmores! Very best regards,Walt (585)735-5889
Gordon, our 1970 or 1971 Kenmore 800 had the two minute drain and the two minute spin with the the 4 spray rinses and then it stopped and filled for the main rinse. Always a suds lock on a load of towels, even with low-suds All. And our 19775 or 1976 series 70 large4 capacity had the 4 minute drain and the two minute spin with the 4 spray rinses and then stop for the rinse fill.
tbolt - Yes, this machine has an off-balance buzzer. Most of the better Kenmores do, but in 1980 you had to have the third or fourth 70 series (out of four) or better to get one.
Greg - Yes, the detergent dispenser IS cool, however yesterday I wound up cursing a storm at it. I used the machine in the morning to wash the towels that I dirtied during the testing and install of the '82 60. That went fine, but somehow the detergent solenoid got wet (I did let the 82 drain into this machine with its test water), and since it had more of that detergent residue that was everywhere else in the machine, it stayed wet and gooey. Every time I would plug the machine in, immediately the garage GFI would blow. Without a working test meter, I wound up eliminating one thing after another trying to determine what would cause this. Couldn't believe that the solenoid in this machine is hot all the time. I knew the timer and cycle modifier switch would be, but the detergent solenoid? WOW Without the solenoid in line, the timer is dead in the first 6 minutes of wash in Normal, all of Delicate, and the first 4 minutes of Perm. Press. The function of the Pre-Soak and Pre-Wash was unaffected since the dispenser is not used in those cycles.
I'm going to have to get the solenoid out of the machine, clean it completely, and cross my fingers that it isn't shorted out. I worked on that problem for at least four hours!! Talk about frustrating each time I'd plug the machine in and hear the instant 'pop' of the GFI. Glad to know it works though, lol. By the time I disconnected the solenoid, I was getting pretty punchy.
Another note to self - get new batteries for the test meter!
Gordon
Greg - Yes, the detergent dispenser IS cool, however yesterday I wound up cursing a storm at it. I used the machine in the morning to wash the towels that I dirtied during the testing and install of the '82 60. That went fine, but somehow the detergent solenoid got wet (I did let the 82 drain into this machine with its test water), and since it had more of that detergent residue that was everywhere else in the machine, it stayed wet and gooey. Every time I would plug the machine in, immediately the garage GFI would blow. Without a working test meter, I wound up eliminating one thing after another trying to determine what would cause this. Couldn't believe that the solenoid in this machine is hot all the time. I knew the timer and cycle modifier switch would be, but the detergent solenoid? WOW Without the solenoid in line, the timer is dead in the first 6 minutes of wash in Normal, all of Delicate, and the first 4 minutes of Perm. Press. The function of the Pre-Soak and Pre-Wash was unaffected since the dispenser is not used in those cycles.
I'm going to have to get the solenoid out of the machine, clean it completely, and cross my fingers that it isn't shorted out. I worked on that problem for at least four hours!! Talk about frustrating each time I'd plug the machine in and hear the instant 'pop' of the GFI. Glad to know it works though, lol. By the time I disconnected the solenoid, I was getting pretty punchy.
Another note to self - get new batteries for the test meter!
Gordon
I learned something interesting about this machine this morning while looking at machine parts diagrams on Sears's site today. This machine as I've said is a 1980 model, and is an 80-series. I was thinking it was a pretty fancy model to be an 80, then I compared the 1979 version, which was a 90 series and found an interesting difference.
My machine (110.82082100) has a standard bleach dispenser that drains into the outer tub, and came with an agitator mounted softener dispenser in addition to the mechanical solenoid operated detergent dispenser.
The 1979 version (110.72992100) had the same solenoid operated detergent dispenser, but instead of the two separate other dispensers that the 1980 version had (kinda lame ones for a TOL machine) the '79 had the dual sump, dual solenoid operated bleach/fabric softener tank on the left front cabinet corner. It may have been one of the later models to have this feature.
I previously thought these two machines had been clones, but now I see why one is an 80-series and the other a 90.
Just for grins, I checked the 78 model and found it to have the two separate switches for soak and second rinse, instead of the multi-function cycle modifier switch.
Kinda thought this was cool...
Gordon[this post was last edited: 5/30/2010-23:59]
My machine (110.82082100) has a standard bleach dispenser that drains into the outer tub, and came with an agitator mounted softener dispenser in addition to the mechanical solenoid operated detergent dispenser.
The 1979 version (110.72992100) had the same solenoid operated detergent dispenser, but instead of the two separate other dispensers that the 1980 version had (kinda lame ones for a TOL machine) the '79 had the dual sump, dual solenoid operated bleach/fabric softener tank on the left front cabinet corner. It may have been one of the later models to have this feature.
I previously thought these two machines had been clones, but now I see why one is an 80-series and the other a 90.
Just for grins, I checked the 78 model and found it to have the two separate switches for soak and second rinse, instead of the multi-function cycle modifier switch.
Kinda thought this was cool...
Gordon[this post was last edited: 5/30/2010-23:59]
Gordon, that's what I was getting at. Kind of pointless to have a auto detergent release at the beginning of the main wash after prewash or soak and not having timed release softner and bleach dispensers. That's why I asked about the dispener in the front left because it had the exact same space of real estate as that of the timed dispeners in the 1979 90 series model. The 1979 90 series may have also had a light over the tiemr dial. The 1978 series 90 did. I hated to see them combine the two outer knobs on the 1978 90 series into one single cycle modifier in the 1979 model. Kind of blew the panel symmetry. The corresponding 1978 90 series dryer had the four little knobs--start button, variable signal, temp selector, and winkle guard II on/off control. That 90 series dryer was the only one in the line with a medium heat setting. All others had either high or low only, in addition to air fluff.
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