Poor Marsha Hunt. After a promising beginning at MGM she was a victim of the HUAC blacklist and reduced to making industrial films like this. Interesting to see Darren McGavin so young and at least they shaved his chest instead of that repulsive shag carpet he usually had in t.v. roles.
A Word to the Wives - 1955
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Gas versus Electric hot water heaters
RE "The Dual temp water heater is nice-never heard of that until now.since its gas would be expensive to run in my area-the natural gas prices are high here.an electric model would be cheaper to run in my neighborhood"
Here on the Miss Coast it costs about 3 times more to heat water with electricity than using gas. It was like that too when I lived up north and west too.
Thus if one is using electric water heaters and using a lot of water; one really has a big cash flow.
Ie if my HOME gas bill for my 40 gallon heaters usage for 1 month is say 25 dollars; if I switch to electric and shut off the gas service I will pay about 75 dollars more in my electric bill; ie 50 dollars more per month; 600 dollars per year.
Here I have at my business a giant commercial fast recovery 85 Gallon Gas hot water heater that is now turned off. Its input BTUH is 250,000; 1/4 Million. Its minimum "recovery" is 210 gallons per hour. It was used with an old wash off machine that was scrapped in 1995. TODAY my only reason to have hot water is one dinky bathroom sink; thus I have a free 12 gallon electric on a timer as a sort of point of use set up, its measured KWHR cost is about 35 dollars per year. With the old giant gas water heater the hot water has to travel about 110 feet in a big 1 " line to just get one drop of hot water. Its added cost to the gas bill was about 10 dollars per month; ie about 120 per year. In this weird example I am saving by using electric.
I wager there is about no place in the usa where using an electric 40 gallon hot water heater saves one money versus a gas one.
RE "The Dual temp water heater is nice-never heard of that until now.since its gas would be expensive to run in my area-the natural gas prices are high here.an electric model would be cheaper to run in my neighborhood"
Here on the Miss Coast it costs about 3 times more to heat water with electricity than using gas. It was like that too when I lived up north and west too.
Thus if one is using electric water heaters and using a lot of water; one really has a big cash flow.
Ie if my HOME gas bill for my 40 gallon heaters usage for 1 month is say 25 dollars; if I switch to electric and shut off the gas service I will pay about 75 dollars more in my electric bill; ie 50 dollars more per month; 600 dollars per year.
Here I have at my business a giant commercial fast recovery 85 Gallon Gas hot water heater that is now turned off. Its input BTUH is 250,000; 1/4 Million. Its minimum "recovery" is 210 gallons per hour. It was used with an old wash off machine that was scrapped in 1995. TODAY my only reason to have hot water is one dinky bathroom sink; thus I have a free 12 gallon electric on a timer as a sort of point of use set up, its measured KWHR cost is about 35 dollars per year. With the old giant gas water heater the hot water has to travel about 110 feet in a big 1 " line to just get one drop of hot water. Its added cost to the gas bill was about 10 dollars per month; ie about 120 per year. In this weird example I am saving by using electric.
I wager there is about no place in the usa where using an electric 40 gallon hot water heater saves one money versus a gas one.
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Burning trash was once required in some places
When I lived in Southern Indiana in the 1960's the trash guys would NOT pick up ones trash unless it was burned. It was considered good practice then to burn locally and reduce the volume that goes in land fills.
Everybody had 55 gallon steel drums behind their houses on a city alley.
Unless one's stuff was burned, they would skip your house.
Thus everybody burned all one's household trash in these 55 gallon steel drums, that had a few holes on the sides at the bottom. One loaded the drum so stuff would burn easier, more air-ey and fluffy burnable stuff on the bottom. When packed well one would get a roaring super hot fire and radically less bad stuff in the air.
One had to plan burning so it was done and cooled down before the trucks came. If you can was still hot you got skipped too.
A favorite dirty
prank was to thrown in somebody else's fire some aerosol cans and they would explode and one got fly ash all over the place, often on somebody's clean clothes on a clothes line. Thus while burning one kept watch for pranksters.
In that era one had deposits on cola bottles, few used paper towels or disposable diapers, there was less junk mail, few ate out and had bags and cups from McDonalds. Folks also repaired things more too. Ones volume of waste was radically less than today. Some folks even did the WW2 thing of saving old steel cans and steel beer cans for the scrap too. Or one saved old glass bottles and brought them in as scrap too. There was not a recycling guy then. Radically less consumer items were plastics too.
When I lived in Southern Indiana in the 1960's the trash guys would NOT pick up ones trash unless it was burned. It was considered good practice then to burn locally and reduce the volume that goes in land fills.
Everybody had 55 gallon steel drums behind their houses on a city alley.
Unless one's stuff was burned, they would skip your house.
Thus everybody burned all one's household trash in these 55 gallon steel drums, that had a few holes on the sides at the bottom. One loaded the drum so stuff would burn easier, more air-ey and fluffy burnable stuff on the bottom. When packed well one would get a roaring super hot fire and radically less bad stuff in the air.
One had to plan burning so it was done and cooled down before the trucks came. If you can was still hot you got skipped too.
A favorite dirty
prank was to thrown in somebody else's fire some aerosol cans and they would explode and one got fly ash all over the place, often on somebody's clean clothes on a clothes line. Thus while burning one kept watch for pranksters.In that era one had deposits on cola bottles, few used paper towels or disposable diapers, there was less junk mail, few ate out and had bags and cups from McDonalds. Folks also repaired things more too. Ones volume of waste was radically less than today. Some folks even did the WW2 thing of saving old steel cans and steel beer cans for the scrap too. Or one saved old glass bottles and brought them in as scrap too. There was not a recycling guy then. Radically less consumer items were plastics too.
I posted this video a few times in the past. I really LOVE it! Already when the music starts I'm excited. And ofcourse Darren McGavin is a great bonus. I would have preferred him with the shag carpet on his chest though. lol
I enjoyed seeing the features of the 1956-1957 Frigidaire!
Thank you very much for the video!
Too bad these kinds of features pretty much disappeared or were not quite the same in newer incarnations of these appliances...
Re: the "movable element" in the oven: Wasn't the Westinghouse "Speed Broiling" System the same thing?
-- Dave
Thank you very much for the video!
Too bad these kinds of features pretty much disappeared or were not quite the same in newer incarnations of these appliances...
Re: the "movable element" in the oven: Wasn't the Westinghouse "Speed Broiling" System the same thing?
-- Dave
Rudd "Duo-Temp" LaundryMaster
Boy oh boy!
Boy oh boy!
Still In Use
Snap showing a Rudd "LaundryMaster" connected and still doing it's job.
Check out the rest of this fabulous 1950's house.
Snap showing a Rudd "LaundryMaster" connected and still doing it's job.
Check out the rest of this fabulous 1950's house.
The cost of Natural gas in my area-I am going by what two of my neighbors experienced while talking to them-They tried gas heat and went back to the electric becuase of the high cost of gas in my area-don't know why.Propane is very popular here-and cheaper.Just about all of the homes in my neighborhood have electric water heaters.so all of that discouraged me from hooking to the gas service.There is one neighbor who is a holdout-he uses a fuel oil furnace.My house used to have such a heater but was removed before I moved in-same with its underground tank.Now I have a Lennox heat pump which is pretty useless in the winter.Use portable heaters instead.The Lennox unit makes a great AC in the summer.
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Rex it sounds like there are too many facts missing here and a lot heresy, but as 3beltwesty said I drought that there is any place in the USA that electric water heating is cheaper than using natural gas. GET THE FACTS.
Rex it sounds like there are too many facts missing here and a lot heresy, but as 3beltwesty said I drought that there is any place in the USA that electric water heating is cheaper than using natural gas. GET THE FACTS.
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In the USA often in past eras one had GAS versus ELECTRIC wars!
Electric companies preached "all electric house" and gas folks preached to use gas. This was a common war for many decades in some places.
Electric is often preached as being 100 percent efficient for heating, which is sort of misleading. One does get 3414 BTUs of heat for each 1000 watts of electric power; but that is just the conversion factor!
Think about it this way; the chap at the power plant is shoveling coal, splitting atoms, or burning gas to heat water to steam. Then this steam drives a turbine, then drives a generator. The electric power goes through many transformers and miles of wires . Then you are using this electric power at you house to heat up water again. The loss of the thermodynamic cycle, loss of the transformers and wires is such that you get in your hot water heater only 1/3 the heat compared to if one tapped the turbine's steam at the power plant. It means that heating via an electric coil costs about 2 to 3 times more than via gas flame
Electric companies preached "all electric house" and gas folks preached to use gas. This was a common war for many decades in some places.
Electric is often preached as being 100 percent efficient for heating, which is sort of misleading. One does get 3414 BTUs of heat for each 1000 watts of electric power; but that is just the conversion factor!
Think about it this way; the chap at the power plant is shoveling coal, splitting atoms, or burning gas to heat water to steam. Then this steam drives a turbine, then drives a generator. The electric power goes through many transformers and miles of wires . Then you are using this electric power at you house to heat up water again. The loss of the thermodynamic cycle, loss of the transformers and wires is such that you get in your hot water heater only 1/3 the heat compared to if one tapped the turbine's steam at the power plant. It means that heating via an electric coil costs about 2 to 3 times more than via gas flame
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The 1950's house is funky and right up my alley! Proof that the older appliances were built with integrity and durability! I do not live in the past, BUT I do appreciate quality and design!!!!!!!!
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Well, I just watched the video and thoroughly enjoyed it. I suppose there are a few on this site who are looking at the machines and saying “wow, look now new that washier is” or the fridge – say, that is bigger than the 1927 GE I use.
Anyway this year marks the 60 year mark for my daily drivers, they are still going strong.
Just had to fix the water valve though, still, I can do it with the tools I have in the garage. Needed three coats of JB weld to keep it from leaking though.
Anyway this year marks the 60 year mark for my daily drivers, they are still going strong.
Just had to fix the water valve though, still, I can do it with the tools I have in the garage. Needed three coats of JB weld to keep it from leaking though.
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3 betl Westy,
You have the right answer, but when I went the heating air conditioning school, Mr M insisted that in his class electric heating was 100% efficient because all of the electricity turned into heat. I kind of brought up what you said and he insisted that was the answer in his class. Now, if this were a general science or environmental science class me and you would be right. Mr. M. was quite arrogant (so many teachers are) and we had to give his answer on the test.
You have the right answer, but when I went the heating air conditioning school, Mr M insisted that in his class electric heating was 100% efficient because all of the electricity turned into heat. I kind of brought up what you said and he insisted that was the answer in his class. Now, if this were a general science or environmental science class me and you would be right. Mr. M. was quite arrogant (so many teachers are) and we had to give his answer on the test.
Watching this film has enlightened me as to the logic of some of the plumbing in my 1914 house.
At one time there was an oil burning gravity fed furnace in the house. I suspect at some point it also heated the water. I always thought it to be strange that there was an auxiliary hot water line running to a wash sink in the basement, then tempered at one time with cold water to run to the rest of the house. Of course sometime within the last 60 years or so it was modified to have separate cold and hot water circuits, but it is very clear that they were trying to emulate the affect of the super hot for wash vs. luke warm for the taps.
Thanks for posting!
Ben
At one time there was an oil burning gravity fed furnace in the house. I suspect at some point it also heated the water. I always thought it to be strange that there was an auxiliary hot water line running to a wash sink in the basement, then tempered at one time with cold water to run to the rest of the house. Of course sometime within the last 60 years or so it was modified to have separate cold and hot water circuits, but it is very clear that they were trying to emulate the affect of the super hot for wash vs. luke warm for the taps.
Thanks for posting!
Ben
Looked up the gas supplier in my area Greenville Utilities Commission-they can supply electric(I use theirs)Gas,water,and sewer services.I use water from Eastern Pines Water Service.Don't have a sewer-use a septic tank-the gas rates from GUC-$1.36 Per CCF basic service,$1.44CCf for heating.$125 hookup fee,$45-$65 turn on fee depending on season-lower figure for spring summer,higher number for fall-winter.The hookup fee includes the meter,lines from the gasline to your house.for heating with electric-if you use a GOOD heat pump-remember we are not trying to generate heat-but MOVE it from another location(outside)into your house-this requires less energy than converting electric energy to heat energy-yes ,at the utility co they are trying to convert heat energy to electric.This process for them is getting more efficient-and properly operated and maintained electric dist systems are getting much better.After all the utility WANTS more of their electric energy they tried to create to get your house rather than heating powerlines and trnasformers-and going up in corona losses.don't know just how these rates compare to others.The Heat pumps are the most common sources of heat in my area.and again most water heaters in my area are electric.the heat rate for GUC gas is listed at 1000BTU per cubic foot.I know a gasline runs in front of my house.Same with Easten Pines water.Saw both lines when the area in the road was washed out from Floyd.Both gas and water was interrrupted.I was without water for a day-EPWC was excellent in restoring their service-don't know how quickly GUC restored the gas service.
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Hi Rex thanks for all the information on your gas service, but you didn't list the cost of electricity so it still is not possible to figure the cost comparison. I agree that a Heat-pump is usually the most economical heat in your area of the country as you are only moving heat and you could get a heat-pump water heater also which may be very close to the overall operating cost of a gas model. But if you are staying with a conventional electric water heater you would be better off with natural gas, you could also save real money with a gas dryer and use it for back up heat if your heat-pump needs backup heat. The gas vs electric range is a toss-up as the gas range wastes most of the heat produced so I leave this choice to the user.
Hi Rex thanks for all the information on your gas service, but you didn't list the cost of electricity so it still is not possible to figure the cost comparison. I agree that a Heat-pump is usually the most economical heat in your area of the country as you are only moving heat and you could get a heat-pump water heater also which may be very close to the overall operating cost of a gas model. But if you are staying with a conventional electric water heater you would be better off with natural gas, you could also save real money with a gas dryer and use it for back up heat if your heat-pump needs backup heat. The gas vs electric range is a toss-up as the gas range wastes most of the heat produced so I leave this choice to the user.
