http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2012/04/miracle-laundry-whitening-solution.html
What do you all think?
What do you all think?
Achieving white white laundry
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yogitunes
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not so sure of the long term effects of soaking that long in bleach.....
but the concentration method can work really well....even in, dare I say it, COLD water.....but yeah, use a half load setting, warm to hot usually works best, and double your detergents, borax, washing soda, and color safe bleach, this will get out a wide variety of stains....let soak for several hours, and allow to agitate for a while, about ever 30 minutes
I used to follow this method years ago, stains really didn't have a chance, people were bringing me their stained clothes that other methods did not work on.....
years ago, I was doing uniform shirts for a few cops, and without bleach, which they liked the absence of, coming out brilliantly white.....
always go back to the basics for the simplest things already in your stash works well.....sometimes it needs more than a 10 minute wash to work effectively...
but nothing new under the sun that we already did not know....
but the concentration method can work really well....even in, dare I say it, COLD water.....but yeah, use a half load setting, warm to hot usually works best, and double your detergents, borax, washing soda, and color safe bleach, this will get out a wide variety of stains....let soak for several hours, and allow to agitate for a while, about ever 30 minutes
I used to follow this method years ago, stains really didn't have a chance, people were bringing me their stained clothes that other methods did not work on.....
years ago, I was doing uniform shirts for a few cops, and without bleach, which they liked the absence of, coming out brilliantly white.....
always go back to the basics for the simplest things already in your stash works well.....sometimes it needs more than a 10 minute wash to work effectively...
but nothing new under the sun that we already did not know....
As I recall, Finish powder has chlorine bleach. All they're really accomplishing, it seems, is soaking in what is probably a fairly weak bleach solution (compared to adding a cup of Clorox). But by not telling people that many DW detergents DON'T have bleach some are going to be disappointed.
You could achieve the same results by soaking in other solutions (Tide with Bleach would be a good place to start.) Of course, very hot/boiling water, as Launderess has said, makes oxygen bleach extremely effective.
I agree 100% with yogitunes. Sometimes a long soak, even overnight, will work wonders. Patience pays. You could acheive the same results by soaking in other solutions (Tide with Bleach would be a good place to start.)
You could achieve the same results by soaking in other solutions (Tide with Bleach would be a good place to start.) Of course, very hot/boiling water, as Launderess has said, makes oxygen bleach extremely effective.
I agree 100% with yogitunes. Sometimes a long soak, even overnight, will work wonders. Patience pays. You could acheive the same results by soaking in other solutions (Tide with Bleach would be a good place to start.)
mrb627
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Washing Uniforms for Cops?
Do tell...
Malcolm
Do tell...
Malcolm
yogitunes
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Sounds like a commercial for Calgon....
nothing out of the ordinary Malcolm.....it started by word of mouth thru my brother in law, who is a cop, of first sewing on a button for him, to custom tailoring a few shirts to fit his V-shape physique......while at it, a few washings and crisp starch ironings, which he liked better than the cleaners, he got attention from fellow officers, that his shirts appeared brighter and whiter than theirs, and especially removal of ink spots from the pockets, and before you knew it, I had drop off orders for several officers, just the shirts....it was something to do for some spare cash....
truth be told, for two single cops, I was doing their whole wash.....
and did find Tide with bleach powder a very effective cleaner, and smelled great....
nothing out of the ordinary Malcolm.....it started by word of mouth thru my brother in law, who is a cop, of first sewing on a button for him, to custom tailoring a few shirts to fit his V-shape physique......while at it, a few washings and crisp starch ironings, which he liked better than the cleaners, he got attention from fellow officers, that his shirts appeared brighter and whiter than theirs, and especially removal of ink spots from the pockets, and before you knew it, I had drop off orders for several officers, just the shirts....it was something to do for some spare cash....
truth be told, for two single cops, I was doing their whole wash.....
and did find Tide with bleach powder a very effective cleaner, and smelled great....
polkanut
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Martin,
That's it? What a bummer.
That's it? What a bummer.
danemodsandy
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You Could Always....
....Follow Phyllis Diller's advice -
"Get Hubby a sunlamp. Shirts always look whiter on a man with a tan!"
Ah, HA! HA! HA! HA! HA![this post was last edited: 8/22/2013-06:32]
....Follow Phyllis Diller's advice -
"Get Hubby a sunlamp. Shirts always look whiter on a man with a tan!"
Ah, HA! HA! HA! HA! HA![this post was last edited: 8/22/2013-06:32]
launderess
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This Stupid "Whitening" Recipe
Has been hurling around the Internet for ages and is just plain dumb for anyone who cares about their textiles.
First, automatic dishwasher detergent is highly alkaline (that is hot it deals with grease, fats, and oils from dishes), while high pH levels *can* give good cleaning results it can also eat away at textiles leaving them weakened.
Next in addition to the chlorine bleach already contained in this dw detergent you are adding *MORE*. The high alkaline pH of the water makes chlorine bleach more aggressive as it was, then you add hot or boiling water? Oh the holes they are a coming.
To add insult to injury you are supposed to soak items in this witches brew for *two* hours? Chlorine bleach needs a maximum contact time of five minutes, less in hot or boiling water. After that no further stain removal or whitening takes place. Further exposure only serves to weaken textile fibers as the bleach eats away.
Has been hurling around the Internet for ages and is just plain dumb for anyone who cares about their textiles.
First, automatic dishwasher detergent is highly alkaline (that is hot it deals with grease, fats, and oils from dishes), while high pH levels *can* give good cleaning results it can also eat away at textiles leaving them weakened.
Next in addition to the chlorine bleach already contained in this dw detergent you are adding *MORE*. The high alkaline pH of the water makes chlorine bleach more aggressive as it was, then you add hot or boiling water? Oh the holes they are a coming.
To add insult to injury you are supposed to soak items in this witches brew for *two* hours? Chlorine bleach needs a maximum contact time of five minutes, less in hot or boiling water. After that no further stain removal or whitening takes place. Further exposure only serves to weaken textile fibers as the bleach eats away.
OMG !
1 cup of laundry detergent
1 cup powdered dish washer detergent
1 cup bleach
1/2 cup borax
Well, the result on the mattress pad really says it's clean and white but my opinion is that this is an extremely high amount of harsh chemicals.
I would never use a dishwasher detergent on textiles. Even more in addition to Chlorine bleach.
I agree with Launderess.
1 cup of laundry detergent
1 cup powdered dish washer detergent
1 cup bleach
1/2 cup borax
Well, the result on the mattress pad really says it's clean and white but my opinion is that this is an extremely high amount of harsh chemicals.
I would never use a dishwasher detergent on textiles. Even more in addition to Chlorine bleach.
I agree with Launderess.
Can you imagine sleeping on that bed, with all that un-neutralised chlorine wafting about! I think I would have used a whole quart of vinegar in the rinse to neutralise that mess. Lol
iheartmaytag
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Now Ya'll know I love Chlorine Bleach
but using too much can have the opposite effect on laundry, besides weakening the fibers, or "rotting" as my mother would say. Too much of a good thing can result in yellowing.
Anymore I use Oxiclean, Tide, Warm or Hot water and have pretty good results. (I think the OBs in Tide help more than anything.)
but using too much can have the opposite effect on laundry, besides weakening the fibers, or "rotting" as my mother would say. Too much of a good thing can result in yellowing.
Anymore I use Oxiclean, Tide, Warm or Hot water and have pretty good results. (I think the OBs in Tide help more than anything.)
My usual method for getting WHITE whites:
Soak in luke-warm water in an enzyme solution for 30 or more minutes. Drain and spin.
Wash in HOT water (140-150 degrees) with a detergent with enzymes for about 10 minutes.
Add 1/2-3/4 cup diluted chlorine bleach and wash an additional 4-5 minutes. (This is what I use of the "new" concentrated bleach that contains about 8% sodium hypochlorite, remember that "classic" household bleach from before the 1990s or so usually only contained 4.5%-5% sodium hypochlorite.)
Rinse TWICE.
Now, my 1970 Kenmore model 70 makes this all quite simple for me with its 30 minute enzyme soak cycle, bleach dispenser that activates for the last 4 minutes of the wash and the automatic second rinse option.
Soak in luke-warm water in an enzyme solution for 30 or more minutes. Drain and spin.
Wash in HOT water (140-150 degrees) with a detergent with enzymes for about 10 minutes.
Add 1/2-3/4 cup diluted chlorine bleach and wash an additional 4-5 minutes. (This is what I use of the "new" concentrated bleach that contains about 8% sodium hypochlorite, remember that "classic" household bleach from before the 1990s or so usually only contained 4.5%-5% sodium hypochlorite.)
Rinse TWICE.
Now, my 1970 Kenmore model 70 makes this all quite simple for me with its 30 minute enzyme soak cycle, bleach dispenser that activates for the last 4 minutes of the wash and the automatic second rinse option.
mich
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You know...
The whole point of the original whitening solution, was to take advantage of the Phosphorus Content, or Phosphates in the automatic Dish-washing Detergent.
Thing is though, most powder dishwasher detergent, now-a-days, use a Oxygen Based bleaching system a (sodium percarbonate) which when combined in a chlorine solution, neutralize each other. Plus, the Enzymes in the DW Detergent get killed off instantly in the oxidizing environment...
As for Finish (Electrasol
) Powder itself, the Formulation (pre-phosphate ban) was Sodium Hypochlorite & 3-4 % Phosphate. Now the Current Formation is a Mix, of Sodium Carbonate (washing soda), Enzymes (Incompatible with Chlorine), and Sodium Carbonate Peroxide (stabilized Sodium Percarbonate,Oxygen Bleach)
Borax itself, actually, breaks down into a weak Formulation of Oxygen, which would also neutralize, and ruin the whitening effect of the Chlorine.
From a Chemist Stand Point, this Formulation is very flawed. I don't understand, how the amazing whitening effect would take place...
The whole point of the original whitening solution, was to take advantage of the Phosphorus Content, or Phosphates in the automatic Dish-washing Detergent.
Thing is though, most powder dishwasher detergent, now-a-days, use a Oxygen Based bleaching system a (sodium percarbonate) which when combined in a chlorine solution, neutralize each other. Plus, the Enzymes in the DW Detergent get killed off instantly in the oxidizing environment...
As for Finish (Electrasol
) Powder itself, the Formulation (pre-phosphate ban) was Sodium Hypochlorite & 3-4 % Phosphate. Now the Current Formation is a Mix, of Sodium Carbonate (washing soda), Enzymes (Incompatible with Chlorine), and Sodium Carbonate Peroxide (stabilized Sodium Percarbonate,Oxygen Bleach) Borax itself, actually, breaks down into a weak Formulation of Oxygen, which would also neutralize, and ruin the whitening effect of the Chlorine.
From a Chemist Stand Point, this Formulation is very flawed. I don't understand, how the amazing whitening effect would take place...
mich
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On a Related Note...
Cascade Gel Pacs (Baseline, Complete, Platinum) can be safely added into loads, when one wants to add a boost of Enzymes. They contain some Oxygen Bleach, and some Sodium Carbonate. Nothing really, to the extreams of making a Wash "Super Alkaline, or Witch Brew" but, more of the lines of the power of adding a tablespoon of STPP.
There really good, when one needs to remove blood stains 
Cascade Gel Pacs (Baseline, Complete, Platinum) can be safely added into loads, when one wants to add a boost of Enzymes. They contain some Oxygen Bleach, and some Sodium Carbonate. Nothing really, to the extreams of making a Wash "Super Alkaline, or Witch Brew" but, more of the lines of the power of adding a tablespoon of STPP.
There really good, when one needs to remove blood stains
yogitunes
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Blood stains.....I used "Visine".....it gets the RED out!....sorry, couldn't resist....lol
Blood is best removed in the early stages with simple cool water.
launderess
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High Alkaline Substances
Such as ammonia will also remove blood. Long before enzymes came on the scene hospital and or commercial laundries would use alkaline "break" to deal with blood stained laundry.
Such as ammonia will also remove blood. Long before enzymes came on the scene hospital and or commercial laundries would use alkaline "break" to deal with blood stained laundry.
yogitunes
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seriously ..... it all comes back to basic simple stuff .....
hydrogen peroxide, yes that stuff in the brown bottle from your local pharmacy, will make blood disappear like magic....nurses at the hospital showed me that one during a procedure.....
and of course time honored club soda is used in a variety of stain removals, as with any stain, while still fresh is when it works best...
hydrogen peroxide, yes that stuff in the brown bottle from your local pharmacy, will make blood disappear like magic....nurses at the hospital showed me that one during a procedure.....
and of course time honored club soda is used in a variety of stain removals, as with any stain, while still fresh is when it works best...
mich
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When...
Cold Water washes, Liberal amounts of Hydrogen Peroxide, just won't cut it...
Tide plus Bleach Alternative, Line Two, along with Two Tablespoons of Oxyclean, Hot Water wash, with a Heavy Soil cycle will lift, and remove it.
As for fresh blood stains, I've seen the magical power of Hydrogen Peroxide It's funny, you look away for a second, and it's completely gone.
Ammonia on the other hand, I've never really tried that. Although, on the other hand, I hope I never have to
Cold Water washes, Liberal amounts of Hydrogen Peroxide, just won't cut it...
Tide plus Bleach Alternative, Line Two, along with Two Tablespoons of Oxyclean, Hot Water wash, with a Heavy Soil cycle will lift, and remove it.
As for fresh blood stains, I've seen the magical power of Hydrogen Peroxide
It's funny, you look away for a second, and it's completely gone. Ammonia on the other hand, I've never really tried that. Although, on the other hand, I hope I never have to
Years ago
When I worked in Dry Cleaning
( this was back in the dark ages, when there had to be be a licensed operator in the plant that did the spotting, and while the machine was running)
We used a diluted aqua ammonia for blood, and dirty shirt cuffs ect Air gun and vacuum were used at the spotting board to remove the ammonia before going into the D.C machine, or laundry.
Has anyone used the stuff made by Rit that for brightening whites? It's in the same size box as Rit Dye. I've never stopped to even look at the ingredients ?
Mitch tell us more about the Borax, and L.C.B no no would love to hear a bit more of the chemistry.
When I worked in Dry Cleaning
( this was back in the dark ages, when there had to be be a licensed operator in the plant that did the spotting, and while the machine was running)
We used a diluted aqua ammonia for blood, and dirty shirt cuffs ect Air gun and vacuum were used at the spotting board to remove the ammonia before going into the D.C machine, or laundry.
Has anyone used the stuff made by Rit that for brightening whites? It's in the same size box as Rit Dye. I've never stopped to even look at the ingredients ?
Mitch tell us more about the Borax, and L.C.B no no would love to hear a bit more of the chemistry.
whirlcool
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We use Hydrogen Peroxide as well for blood spots. It just bubbles up and when the bubbling stops the stain is gone. I once asked a nurse why they no longer wear white uniforms. She said that they were too much work to keep clean. She said being a nurse is a messy business and she'd get a lot of blood stains on them when she worked in the ER. I asked her how she got the blood off of them. She told me about hydrogen peroxide. Works perfect everytime.
I have a question to ask about whitest whites. All of our bedsheets are white. Every other wash we add chlorine bleach and then a rinse with vinegar and then a final rinse of clean water. The sheets look fine. We have been using All Free & Clear liquid since about March.
This week we bought a box of All Free & Clear powder and did our laundry. The wash water turned a dark gray like the sheets were really dirty. It never did that with the All F&C liquid. Several more sets and some t-shirts did the same thing. Is the All F&C powder stronger than the liquid? We didn't notice any difference in the final outcome.
I have a question to ask about whitest whites. All of our bedsheets are white. Every other wash we add chlorine bleach and then a rinse with vinegar and then a final rinse of clean water. The sheets look fine. We have been using All Free & Clear liquid since about March.
This week we bought a box of All Free & Clear powder and did our laundry. The wash water turned a dark gray like the sheets were really dirty. It never did that with the All F&C liquid. Several more sets and some t-shirts did the same thing. Is the All F&C powder stronger than the liquid? We didn't notice any difference in the final outcome.
yogitunes
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you know, thats funny you mention about the All Free n Clear....I was using the liquid washing a load of white towels,,,,,,that came out pink......several hot water washes and bleach did not remove it....
had to get two boxes of Rit Color Remover.....istructions claim to agitate and let soak for at least 30 minutes...the color started comming out in minutes, and then a fresh re-wash with just detergent and 2 rinses...all back to normal....
wonder what caused the discolor of an all white load.???
had to get two boxes of Rit Color Remover.....istructions claim to agitate and let soak for at least 30 minutes...the color started comming out in minutes, and then a fresh re-wash with just detergent and 2 rinses...all back to normal....
wonder what caused the discolor of an all white load.???
Allen, as I mentioned in another thread, I got some All Free and Clear recently. I've only used it once, and didn't look at the wash water (partly because of all the suds!) but thought it performed well. It has percarbonate, which the liquid doesn't, so maybe it did bleach something out?
whirlcool
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We never had pink anything with All F&C. Could it be that maybe there is something in your water that the detergent could have brought out? I know Iron makes whites orange.
We use bleach on our sheets biweekly so there shouldn't have been much to bleach out. Unless the All F&C powder is bleaching something out that the bleach didn't?
We use bleach on our sheets biweekly so there shouldn't have been much to bleach out. Unless the All F&C powder is bleaching something out that the bleach didn't?
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