AEG cold water washing!
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askomiele
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Euh maybe totally of the record...
but miele launched in 1958 a machine that also was able to wash in cold water... so did constructa and bauknecht and olympia and westinghouse with their laundromats and ... right need I say more !! *wink*
but miele launched in 1958 a machine that also was able to wash in cold water... so did constructa and bauknecht and olympia and westinghouse with their laundromats and ... right need I say more !! *wink*
Frau Lavamat AEG is a bit on late.....
Bosch/Siemens and Miele have already done it.
They just added cold and 20°C on cottons and minimum iron.
I'm thinking of the W1647 Eco Line the new W5000 / W6000
AEG says cold cycles work better with half loads ... Well, I can set the old Zerowatt 2005 on boilwash, press the no-heat button and wash a FULL load on a cold, endless two hour cycle. It's a water hog, but 2 half load cycles in the AEG are 2*41=82 litres, so ......
The more I read here on AW about Lavamats (broken glasses, weak suspensions), the more I am disappointed with them.
Once Zanussi washers were the cheap E'lux brand. Now they are still cheaper than Lavamats, but they haven't such issues as AEGs.
Yesterday I saw in a store a 7kg/1200rpm AEG. It costs 750 € vs the 850 € of a 6kg/1100 rpm miele (W1611)
I do say the miele this is cheap and the AEG is too expensive, as Zannies are built better now :-(
Pity, once were the Zannies to get second hand innovations from AEGs (thinking of variomatic spins). Now AEG seems only a badge. Many innovations come from Zanussi (e.g. pro steam dryers and "green" dishwashers with 45°C last rinse option)
Bosch/Siemens and Miele have already done it.
They just added cold and 20°C on cottons and minimum iron.
I'm thinking of the W1647 Eco Line the new W5000 / W6000
AEG says cold cycles work better with half loads ... Well, I can set the old Zerowatt 2005 on boilwash, press the no-heat button and wash a FULL load on a cold, endless two hour cycle. It's a water hog, but 2 half load cycles in the AEG are 2*41=82 litres, so ......
The more I read here on AW about Lavamats (broken glasses, weak suspensions), the more I am disappointed with them.
Once Zanussi washers were the cheap E'lux brand. Now they are still cheaper than Lavamats, but they haven't such issues as AEGs.
Yesterday I saw in a store a 7kg/1200rpm AEG. It costs 750 € vs the 850 € of a 6kg/1100 rpm miele (W1611)
I do say the miele this is cheap and the AEG is too expensive, as Zannies are built better now :-(
Pity, once were the Zannies to get second hand innovations from AEGs (thinking of variomatic spins). Now AEG seems only a badge. Many innovations come from Zanussi (e.g. pro steam dryers and "green" dishwashers with 45°C last rinse option)
ronhic
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Well I'll weigh in on this....
....any Australian Made Hoover Electra 530/535, 540/545, 550/555 or 1000F can do any load on any cycle with tap cold water only...
The temperature selection buttons from the left are 'Cold, Warm or Hot'
....any Australian Made Hoover Electra 530/535, 540/545, 550/555 or 1000F can do any load on any cycle with tap cold water only...
The temperature selection buttons from the left are 'Cold, Warm or Hot'
The article claims it is the first "dedicated" cold water washer. None of the other machines above are "dedicated" cold water washers, they all have warm and hot wash options too...
However from staring closely at the photo of the AEG, it appears that it too has higher wash temp options, the left button looks like it selects wash temp though it is hard to see clearly on my monitor, so it would appear to me that the AEG isn't truly a "dedicated" cold water washer, either.
Sanyo did sell a true "dedicated" cold water washer here a few years ago - a cheap crummy top-loading impeller washer with only a cold water inlet and no heater.
chris
However from staring closely at the photo of the AEG, it appears that it too has higher wash temp options, the left button looks like it selects wash temp though it is hard to see clearly on my monitor, so it would appear to me that the AEG isn't truly a "dedicated" cold water washer, either.
Sanyo did sell a true "dedicated" cold water washer here a few years ago - a cheap crummy top-loading impeller washer with only a cold water inlet and no heater.
chris
Cold Water
This is the latest machine that has been produced in collaboration with P & G, the first being the Hotpoint models with the new Eco wash programmes that work in conjunction with Ariel Gel,
Will be interesting to see what direction manufactures go now after the EU have decared to ban machines that cant do specific cold water washers,
These machines have phased time/temp profile washes to work in conjunction with Ariel Gel and to get the best results, the programmes are staged and longer in wash times
It will definately be an education process for some consumers!!! Cold Wash and Quick will not = Clean Clothes!!!
This is the latest machine that has been produced in collaboration with P & G, the first being the Hotpoint models with the new Eco wash programmes that work in conjunction with Ariel Gel,
Will be interesting to see what direction manufactures go now after the EU have decared to ban machines that cant do specific cold water washers,
These machines have phased time/temp profile washes to work in conjunction with Ariel Gel and to get the best results, the programmes are staged and longer in wash times
It will definately be an education process for some consumers!!! Cold Wash and Quick will not = Clean Clothes!!!
aldspinboy
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I been having pretty good results from my friends Samsung washer with the silver care option, I did a test it with dirty white socks in ( COLD ) water and was amazed at the results not bad at all. So I am getting really a odd feeling in washing clothes lately in warmer are hot water washing, but still do hot washes in my machines at home. So the trend begins again and I think it will get better with new product's in the future. Do you guys think it will make textiles last longer?
Darren k
Darren k
Cold Water Washing
Does not take away from the four main factors of good laundry habits, time, temperature, chemical and mechanical action.
Detergents designed for cold/low wash water temperature washing are stronger than "hot" water detergents. Thankfully one can see ingredients of European detergents and one sees cold water detergents contain much more bleach, bleach activators, enzymes, OBAs and so forth. In short because they must cope with a loss of heat action, the chemical action is increased.
Even Tide "Coldwater" is slightly stronger than Tide or Tide with Bleach.
Does not take away from the four main factors of good laundry habits, time, temperature, chemical and mechanical action.
Detergents designed for cold/low wash water temperature washing are stronger than "hot" water detergents. Thankfully one can see ingredients of European detergents and one sees cold water detergents contain much more bleach, bleach activators, enzymes, OBAs and so forth. In short because they must cope with a loss of heat action, the chemical action is increased.
Even Tide "Coldwater" is slightly stronger than Tide or Tide with Bleach.
Stronger detergents for cold-water washing...
will need more thorough rinsing to end up with the same level of residue, right?
will need more thorough rinsing to end up with the same level of residue, right?
what's better (or less worse) for laundry ?
Are gentler cold water & stronger detergents or warm/hot water & milder detergents ?
I've always been aware that enzymes are able to do their job in the temp. range from 40°C/85°F to 55°C/130°F
Which kind of enzymes have these new cold water detergents ?
Why latest mieles have cotton cycle with a further rinse automatically added when temps lower than 60°C are selected ?
My experience : I remember in the 80ies black shirts washed @ 30°C fading to grey after some washes because of regular washing powder (that contains sodium perborate as bleaching agent). Today detergents for dark fabrics really do their job even @ 60°C. My black,red,green ikea terry towels are always the same and not faded to pastel colours.
So I'd say that is the detergent to make difference. An harsh detergent is always harsh even in cold water
Are gentler cold water & stronger detergents or warm/hot water & milder detergents ?
I've always been aware that enzymes are able to do their job in the temp. range from 40°C/85°F to 55°C/130°F
Which kind of enzymes have these new cold water detergents ?
Why latest mieles have cotton cycle with a further rinse automatically added when temps lower than 60°C are selected ?
My experience : I remember in the 80ies black shirts washed @ 30°C fading to grey after some washes because of regular washing powder (that contains sodium perborate as bleaching agent). Today detergents for dark fabrics really do their job even @ 60°C. My black,red,green ikea terry towels are always the same and not faded to pastel colours.
So I'd say that is the detergent to make difference. An harsh detergent is always harsh even in cold water
Take Some Fat, Any Type of Fat
And place it into a pan of cold water, and you will see it mainly sits sitting.
Now place the pan on the range and setting the heat to low, watch what happens as the water temperature gradually increases.
Much of what soils laundry,especially items worn close to the skin have body oils as the main type of "dirt". Such dirt will not shift easily in cool or cold water, hence the increased detergent action required and or enzymes.
The other problem is keeping such oily muck away from not only laundry being washed by suspension in the wash water, but also from coating the insides of a washing machine. Many European/UK washing machine repair persons are seeing an increase in washers that are full of mould, mildew and god only knows what else growing inside the machine.
Mould, contrary to popular belief just does not grow on it's own, like all living things it requires something to feed upon. In the case of gunky washing machines the residue of body oils, detergents, soaps and so forth provide the food, while the damp and warm conditions make an ideal home.
And place it into a pan of cold water, and you will see it mainly sits sitting.
Now place the pan on the range and setting the heat to low, watch what happens as the water temperature gradually increases.
Much of what soils laundry,especially items worn close to the skin have body oils as the main type of "dirt". Such dirt will not shift easily in cool or cold water, hence the increased detergent action required and or enzymes.
The other problem is keeping such oily muck away from not only laundry being washed by suspension in the wash water, but also from coating the insides of a washing machine. Many European/UK washing machine repair persons are seeing an increase in washers that are full of mould, mildew and god only knows what else growing inside the machine.
Mould, contrary to popular belief just does not grow on it's own, like all living things it requires something to feed upon. In the case of gunky washing machines the residue of body oils, detergents, soaps and so forth provide the food, while the damp and warm conditions make an ideal home.
